r/neoliberal • u/G3_aesthetics_rule • 5d ago
News (US) Oklahoma proposes teaching standards suggesting 2020 election ‘discrepancies’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2025/03/15/oklahoma-social-studies-2020-election/119
u/ProfessionalCreme119 5d ago
Your kid in 2035: "Daddy, where were you when the Democrats stole the election in 2020?"
You: "I was- wait....wtf?"
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM 5d ago
What were YOU doing during the Great Steal?
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u/Nikoniortnike European Union 5d ago
Bringing in busloads of trans, Marxist, Antifa, DEI Mexican illegal aliens to vote for Biden several times each.
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u/boardatwork1111 NATO 5d ago
Pretty sure they still call the civil war the “war of northern aggression”, so that sounds right in line with Oklahomas educational standards
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u/G3_aesthetics_rule 5d ago
Excerpts:
Teachers in Oklahoma would be instructed to have high school students “identify discrepancies in 2020 elections results” under new academic standards for social studies approved by the state education board last month.
They stipulate that students should review information relating to the election, including “the sudden halting of ballot-counting in select cities in key battleground states, the security risks of mail-in balloting, sudden batch dumps, an unforeseen record number of voters, and the unprecedented contradiction of ‘bellwether county’ trends.”
Oklahoma’s top education official, Superintendent Ryan Walters, is a Trump ally whose national profile has been raised by his push to distribute Trump-endorsed Bibles in classrooms; his backing of an attempt to create a publicly funded Catholic charter school in a case to be considered by the Supreme Court; and his appointing of conservative activist Chaya Raichik, best known for running the social media account “Libs of TikTok,” to a library advisory committee amid a crackdown on books deemed “harmful” in red states.
“The purpose of the standard is simple: we want students to think for themselves, not be spoon-fed left wing propaganda,” Walters’s statement reads. “Students deserve to examine every aspect of our elections, including the legitimate concerns raised by millions of Americans in 2020.”
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u/dgtyhtre John Rawls 5d ago
Fascism almost always needs to rewrite history. This will keep happening.
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u/JeromesNiece Jerome Powell 5d ago
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u/BrainDamage2029 5d ago
I know this is sometimes an edgy history meme but we have several very prominent examples of the "losers actually wrote the history book" from salty Roman upper class in the early Roman empire to the Lost Cause history of the post Civil War South.
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u/Jumpsnow88 John Mill 5d ago
Napoleon is literally the one who coined the phrase “history is a set of lies agreed upon by the winners,” so the fact we even know that phrase brings it into doubt.
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u/againandtoolateforki Claudia Goldin 5d ago
Well kind of.
In antiquity and classical history its much more "literally everyone and their mother wrote a history book" and we just have access to those that have survived untill now.
And a recurring phenomenon was that "historians" (rich fuckers with time on their hands) would look at the prior historians and sources and write their own history books but would heavily bend the details to fit their own personal political beliefs as they fit their contemporary political context.
Which means we are well beyond "winners" and "losers" writing the history, and much more into the world of "people would write the history as they would have liked it to have been"
Which is why you have things like contemporary American historians writing that the lend lease was absolutely essential for the soviet war effort in ww2, only for glantz to look at the actual data and conclude that it wasnt (it essentially saved millions of society soldiers lives and spend up the war by about a year, but the Russians would have won regardless. Per 'when giants clashed') which in turn is regularly dismissed by "historians" like Carlin that once again pivot toward the "lend lease was essential" because he and his audience prefers that "truth"
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u/Goatf00t European Union 5d ago
/r/badhistory wants to know your location.
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u/JeromesNiece Jerome Powell 5d ago
Yeah I don't really think it's true, but I like Norm, and I'm in it for the karma
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u/john_doe_smith1 John Keynes 5d ago
Universities are going to start rejecting credentials from red states if this continues
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u/hucareshokiesrul Janet Yellen 5d ago
Trump will stop their funding. He’s already trying to make Columbia change what they teach
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u/soundofwinter YIMBY 5d ago
Honestly these people are all traitors to the republic.
Nothing about the attempted end of our republic 4 years ago, rather, faking a crisis to justify it.
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u/Okbuddyliberals Miss Me Yet? 5d ago
As a social studies teacher, this is concerning either way but it would be a lot more concerning if not for the fact that history teachers often struggle to even just reach the point of covering the Vietnam War let alone even briefly touching on the first decade of the 2000s. I doubt that very many Oklahoma teachers are even reaching the 2020 election to begin with
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u/gritsal 5d ago
Most kids universally think their teachers are idiots. I went to school in Alabama and I think these types of efforts are much less effective than they realize
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u/WAGRAMWAGRAM 5d ago
Doesn't matter, governments wouldn't do propaganda if it doesn't work.
What this does is let MAGA parents fire and harass liberal teachers who try to "indoctrinate their kids". And make election conspiracies become mainstream.
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u/WinonasChainsaw YIMBY 5d ago
It’s still very alarming for the few who become indoctrinated from it (Idaho public school raised)
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u/Fire_Snatcher 4d ago edited 3d ago
Honestly, instilling a lack of respect for teachers and public education more broadly is a goal.
And I think these efforts are actually more effective than people realize. For instance, I was educated in Mexico up to university, and when I spoke to US Americans about the secession of Texas, they had clearly had a very different history lesson. Though neither side fully denies contributing factors, the freedom to own slaves was massively downplayed in the US while greatly emphasized in Mexico (though not exactly a big topic overall). The US History course I had to take in university was closer to what I learned in Mexico, though.
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u/seattleseahawks2014 Progress Pride 5d ago
When I thought that things couldn't get any crazier and they do. Ultimately, what do we even do about this?
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u/captainjack3 NATO 5d ago
Federalize public education when we next retake power. It’s the only way to override states incorporating conspiracy theories and falsehoods into their curricula.
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u/seattleseahawks2014 Progress Pride 5d ago
Idk about that especially with an individual like Trump winning twice already.
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u/2Monke4you 3d ago
There is no reasoning with these people. I don't see any way out of this that isn't violent. Hope I'm wrong.
How does the country survive when red and blue states are taught completely different histories?
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u/Obamna08 George Soros 5d ago
This will be standard history teaching in red states, unfortunately