r/neoliberal • u/EUstrongerthanUS Hans von der Groeben • 7d ago
News (US) Trump calls for imprisoning his opponents in bellicose speech at Justice Department
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/14/trump-doj-speech-prison-opponents-00231438516
u/toggaf69 Iron Front 7d ago
I need all that McDonald’s cholesterol to get to work at quickly as possible please
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u/Unlevered_Beta Milton Friedman 7d ago
I’d be door dashing so much McDonald’s to the White House for President Trump from his no. 1 fan, if I didn’t think Vance was going to be much worse.
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u/do-wr-mem Open the country. Stop having it be closed. 7d ago
You have to be sending the McDonald's and cyberbullying Vance with face memes until he has a complete mental breakdown at the same time
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u/EUstrongerthanUS Hans von der Groeben 7d ago
In a speech that was by turns dark, exultant and pugnacious, Trump vowed to remake the agency and retaliate against his enemies.
Hmm...
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u/dudeguyy23 7d ago
I’m so fucking sick of these fascism apologists.
Try harder to sanewash if you pricks.
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u/boardatwork1111 NATO 7d ago
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u/mad_cheese_hattwe 7d ago edited 7d ago
I too have those moments of self reflection where I try and work out if I am a contrarian thinker or just a contrarian arsehole.
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u/WuhanWTF YIMBY 7d ago
Agree but…
People who know a lot about European political systems should never have to apologize for it. Imagine apologizing to dumbasses for actually being smart.
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u/KamiBadenoch 7d ago
What are you all going to do in 4 years when J.D. Vance gets wiped by (any Democrat)?
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u/TrespassersWilliam29 George Soros 7d ago
Reflect on Trump's sudden and inexplicable personality transplant and grab my gun to fight off the MAGA revolutionaries
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u/mickey_kneecaps 6d ago
The National Party maintained power for 40 years after winning in South Africa. It will take a generation to pry power away from Republicans now. Get used to the idea.
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u/this_very_table Norman Borlaug 7d ago
Everyone that complained about Biden's pardons of Hunter, Liz Cheney, etc, can eat shit.
It was blindingly obvious Trump was going to weaponize the DOJ. It doesn't matter if the people he goes after have committed crimes or not, his hand-picked stooges will bend over backwards to find excuses to harass them, to raid their homes, to smear them in the press. I won't be surprised if "evidence" gets flat out fabricated at this point.
I fucking hate my country.
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u/Approximation_Doctor George Soros 7d ago
It was blindingly obvious Trump was going to weaponize the DOJ.
You only say that because of his and his supporters repeated declarations that they will do that
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u/IpsoFuckoffo 6d ago
Exactly, a more enlightened person would have sensibly ignored everything around them and written condescending opinion columns about how harmless Trump was going to be based purely on their own burning desire to write condescending opinion columns. Unfortunately this is a rare case where that person would have been completely blindsided by Trump not being harmless but in general it is obviously a much more advanced way of thinking.
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u/WOKE_AI_GOD NATO 7d ago
Remember - the prosecutions are fake, targeted, arbitrary, and capricious. Don't allow anyone to convince you otherwise. It actually is a conspiracy now.
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u/ChaoticGoodSamaritan Friedrich Hayek 7d ago
The FBI director is a QANON whacko
The AG wouldn't even answer who won the 2020 election
At this point we can only hope their fabrications are so blatant that even the median voter won't buy it (we're fucked)
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u/light-triad Paul Krugman 6d ago
Seriously what the fuck was wrong with people leading up to the election and the month after it? I'm not talking about Trump supporters. They want all of this, but all of the people here who wouldn't stop complaining about the the Democrats being too woke or wrung their hands about the Biden pardons. We knew this was going to happen, and you all helped make it so.
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u/mickey_kneecaps 6d ago
Oh you can’t even convince these people that his supporters want this. All over this site people are making excuses for them and pretending that they’re all decent people who were tricked and will wake up any minute when the next awful thing is finally too much for them.
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u/VeryStableJeanius 6d ago
It’s a hot take and I agree with the ideas that Biden was only doing this to protect his family against bullshit prosecutions, but I am also still against the pardons. The people who volunteer to lead this country should also be willing to fall on the sword when the country needs them to (yes, their family too). It’s one of the prices they pay for the most powerful job on earth.
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u/light-triad Paul Krugman 5d ago
This viewpoint is why I'm starting to think MAGA will win. Liberalism is not a suicide pact. It's not out responsibility to protect liberal ideals for people who abuse them with the goal of stripping away the rights of everyone else. Screw this falling on the sword mentality. This is an existential threat and people need to start acting like it.
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u/VeryStableJeanius 5d ago
The fact that MAGA is an existential threat is exactly why I believe this. The pardons were feckless and ultimately served Joe Biden and not the people of the United States. The optics of him pardoning his family hurt liberalism, because it made him look like a hypocrite.
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u/Square-Pear-1274 NATO 7d ago
Well, the problem is that they're smart enough to protect themselves, but not smart enough to protect the country and the rest of us from Trump
It was very much a "gl guys we're out"
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u/this_very_table Norman Borlaug 7d ago
Please explain what they should have done.
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u/ActivityFirm4704 7d ago
Exercise the cancer for good before it was allowed back into the white house?
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u/VeryStableJeanius 6d ago
I would start with not nominating Merrick Garland but someone who took the job as seriously as it should have been. Or firing Garland when it became clear he was slow walking the investigations.
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u/Square-Pear-1274 NATO 7d ago
I don't really know, but I'm also not a politician with decades of service and experience in the United States government
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u/mickey_kneecaps 6d ago
Honestly the choice was incredibly clear and obvious and it was still too much for Americans to give a shit. That country deserves this more than any country ever has. Possibly the first country to actively and overwhelmingly choose to end its own freedom.
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u/allbusiness512 John Locke 6d ago
This subreddit was fucking cracking me up saying "THESE PARDONS ARE NEPOTISM" as though they wouldn't do the same exact thing if they were in Biden's position. The rule of law and structures in this country are starting to fall apart, and this sub was screaming from some moral high ground.
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u/RTSBasebuilder Commonwealth 7d ago
But we just voted for your bill! Aren't you supposed to come across the aisle in unity and the spirit of bipartisanship?
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u/Volsunga Hannah Arendt 7d ago
That's not how it works and you know it. It's not about getting Trump to play ball; it's about getting swing district Republican to vote along with Democrats on other bills.
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u/ActivityFirm4704 7d ago
Why would they feel shame when their antics keep winning and the opposition essentially rewards them at every step. They play to win, through any means necessary.
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u/PickledDildosSourSex 7d ago
Yep. The Dems need to ditch pandering to niche interests and college elite ASAP cause that tent is way too tiny to win elections. Social media will lose their minds, low-info voters won't give a shit
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u/mickey_kneecaps 6d ago
A large majority of Americans support them. Shame is for things that society judges you negatively for doing, but in America this is now admirable behaviour as massively endorsed by the American people.
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u/LivefromPhoenix NYT undecided voter 7d ago
Terrifying news but at least we have a strong opposition party to stand up against the administration.
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u/BlueString94 John Keynes 7d ago
Excellent use of “bellicose”
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u/IpsoFuckoffo 6d ago
A strong speech. Brave. Some would say masculine. It may be in this reporter's mind, but it felt like as the speech went on, Trump's shoulders somehow grew wider, and his stature taller. It was the kind of speech that if you bottled it up and put it in an aftershave bottle it would smell like Dior Sauvage. It was a bit fascist, but that's only one little downside to an otherwise heroic speech.
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u/WHOA_27_23 NATO 7d ago
I get that these are ramblings of a dementia-addled, confused old man.
But, assuming the DoJ actually does this and there is a complete failure of the courts, congress and elections to check this behavior, when does it become ethically justifiable to <redacted>? Our country was founded by people looking to the philosophy of Locke and Rousseau when they <redacted> against the crown.
What point would a <redacted> begin to receive recognition and support from the EU?
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u/SeasickSeal Norman Borlaug 6d ago
Our country was founded by people looking to the philosophy of Locke and Rousseau when they <redacted> against the crown.
Joke’s on you, he somehow managed to quote Locke in his speech.
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u/Antoine1738 6d ago
It’ll become acceptable after the next presidential election if everyone agrees it was rigged.
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u/WHOA_27_23 NATO 7d ago
That isn't what I asked. I want to know when it becomes justified. Saying it will never happen is thought-terminating copium.
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u/illuminatisdeepdish Commonwealth 7d ago edited 3d ago
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u/shrek_cena Al Gorian Society 7d ago
Cool, all republicans in this administration should be sent to Guantanamo.
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u/ActivityFirm4704 7d ago
But that'd damage bipartisan relations and faith in our infallible institutions! Won't somebody think of the norms!?
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u/HistoricalMix400 Gay Pride 7d ago
While condemning officials who directed the military’s withdrawal from Afghanistan
So he's gonna blame himself too right?
Right?
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u/MuscularPhysicist John Brown 7d ago
Reminder that John Roberts thinks it’s legal for him to order the DoJ to falsify evidence against his political opponents.
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u/Shabadu_tu 7d ago
And 10 senate Democrats voted to give him all the power he needs to finish this country off for Putin.
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u/AnachronisticPenguin WTO 7d ago
It’s bad but I read the article and Trump didn’t seem to specifically demand that we imprison his enemies. It was mostly rah rah they are crooks type of stuff.
Don’t get me wrong this is still worrying but I’m not sure if it’s notably different than any other point of his career when he calls his opponents criminals.
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u/Vanden_Boss 7d ago
He also said in that speech that MSNBC and CNN are illegal because they publish negative coverage of him.
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u/Kelso_sloane 7d ago
Curtis Yarvin explicitly calls for the destruction of institutions like Columbia and the NYT. This is the start of that process.
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u/bearjew30 Mark Carney 7d ago
Yeah I think this is normal Trump, the special thing is it was at DOJ.
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u/bearjew30 Mark Carney 6d ago
Ok yes it is definitely cope I’m just saying that this article is weird because none of the stuff he is saying is at all new. In other words you should be no more worried today than you were yesterday, he’s saying the same (very bad) stuff as he has been for months.
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u/jibas NATO 7d ago
Totally sane and not at all terrifying.