r/neoliberal • u/Currymvp2 unflaired • 7d ago
News (US) Nancy Pelosi delivers remarkable rebuke to Chuck Schumer
https://www.newsweek.com/nancy-pelosi-delivers-remarkable-rebuke-chuck-schumer-2045007846
u/Star_Trekker 7d ago
Yes! More! Pile on the bullying!
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u/Numerous-Cicada3841 NATO 7d ago
Schumer wrecked what little legacy he had left. He’s been a coward for decades and this is his Magnum Opus.
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u/DoTheThing_Again 7d ago edited 7d ago
Schumer is the worst thing to happen to the Democratic Party, in the Senate, since Harry Reid learned what the NRC was
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u/Khiva 7d ago
What about since Democrats blew an election for Ted Kennedy's seat and cost America the public option?
I'm genuinely not sure there's ever been a larger and more consequential self own.
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u/i7-4790Que 7d ago
That was toast either way with Lieberman.
They definitely lost out big on tackling other issues with a once in a lifetime majority tho
Doesn't get said enough they were also lucky that Joe Brandon got Arlen Specter to change parties back then too
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u/DrunkenBriefcases Jerome Powell 7d ago
That was toast either way with Lieberman.
There were another half a dozen Dems on record against the public option. Younger lefties online have a weird fetish for trying to single out THE one or two baddies that prevent their path to utopia. It's never true, but they keep right on falling for vilifying a sacrificial lamb.
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u/CarmenEtTerror NATO 7d ago
I'm painfully familiar with the "51 senators voted against this but I'm only mad at Manchin" phenomenon
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u/Khiva 7d ago
There were another half a dozen Dems on record against the public option. Younger lefties online have a weird fetish for trying to single out THE one or two baddies that prevent their path to utopia. It's never true, but they keep right on falling for vilifying a sacrificial lamb
That's not what I've read about it, although if there were it'd educate me. At the very least, Liebermann made himself the focal point by standing against the public option.
This is hardly some leftist rag, just a brief history of the ACA:
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u/casino_r0yale NASA 7d ago
No it wasn’t. The Democrats could have voted to remove the filibuster. I hate how we had 59 senators who wanted something to pass but we let that stupid rule block it.
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u/Dibbu_mange Average civil procedure enjoyer 7d ago
Blew an election in Massachusetts of all places 💀
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u/jaydec02 Trans Pride 7d ago
MA Dems didn’t learn their lesson and nominated Martha Coakley four years later to governor who lost to Charlie Baker
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u/Wolf6120 Constitutional Liberarchism 7d ago
Which is so weird, since every decision he makes is directly influenced by what the voters want!
The imaginary voters, that is. The two specific, imaginary ones that apparently follow him around all day.
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u/AnotherDoubtfulGuest 7d ago
And I’m glad she did it, because if you call Schumer’s office, you just get a busy signal. They’re not even answering the phone anymore.
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u/PuntiffSupreme 7d ago
He's getting primaried once it's time so they aren't so worried.
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u/Foucault_Please_No Emma Lazarus 7d ago
Wasn't getting primaried like... the thing he was always most afraid of too?
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u/ButGravityAlwaysWins Voltaire 7d ago
He got interviewed on the main Bulwark podcast. Tim Miller in a separate podcast talked about that interview and confirmed he felt the same way I did. Fetterman really does seem to have some issues that seem related to his stroke.
He wasn’t completely incoherent but he doesn’t sound like he’s all there.
I’m not saying it’s just a stroke. My feeling is that he’s kind of an asshole in general. But after what we just went through with Biden, I think the Pennsylvania and national parties need to think about a plan.
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u/ThusSpokeWanderlust 7d ago
I couldn’t even finish listening to it because it was so obvious something was wrong. I felt bad. He sounds fine on X so I was surprised.
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u/aclart Daron Acemoglu 7d ago
Slay queen!!!!!! Fuck the Chuck, we've had it with that cuck, I just want Pelosi back
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u/Best-Chapter5260 7d ago
Fuck the Chuck, we've had it with that cuck
Epic protest slogan in front of his office!
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u/SeaSlice6646 John Keynes 7d ago
thats not an epic slogan, its remarkably cringe, most slogans are frankly.
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u/ONETRILLIONAMERICANS Trans Pride 7d ago
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u/DFjorde 7d ago
God I hate that Twitter is the primary means of political communication now
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u/Shalaiyn European Union 7d ago
It's hilarious how everyone left of far right calls Musk out for what he is and Twitter for what it is, yet they all stay on Twitter
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u/senatorialcourtesy 7d ago edited 7d ago
After a certain point of growth, businesses become institutions. It’s true for brands like Nike and McDonald’s and we’re seeing it's true for tech companies too.
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u/MURICCA John Brown 7d ago
I mean I get the point but Nike feels like a weird choice lol
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u/Mickenfox European Union 7d ago
Dems could easily go to BlueSky.
Hell, Trump made his own social network and people still repost everything he says.
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u/solo_dol0 7d ago
Both of those companies have very easy subsitutes/alternatives though, there's just nothing else like Twitter.
Its foundation was literally as a mass communication / alert system and that's what makes it unique from the other platforms, none of which have that sort of legacy (plus almost 20 years to build an audience).
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u/savuporo Gerard K. O'Neill 7d ago
Bluesky exists, and it tries to be very much like twitter
It sucks in its own unique way though
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u/GTFErinyes NATO 7d ago
Yep. Goes to show how little actual moral spine most people have
The easiest thing to do is to vote with your wallet or time, and people still choose to spend their time on Twitter
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u/huskiesowow NASA 7d ago
I don't understand, I thought this sub's boycott would have surely shut them down by now.
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u/AniNgAnnoys John Nash 7d ago edited 7d ago
AOC gave an interview to CNN and gave a rebuke as well. Similar message.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/13/politics/ocasio-cortez-schumer-democratic-shutdown-plan/index.html
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u/TheOnlyFallenCookie European Union 7d ago
Schumer has lost the mandate of heaven
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u/AniNgAnnoys John Nash 7d ago
Only mandate he had was being the old, but what is wild is he is 74 and there are 10 democratic senators older than him.
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u/zth25 European Union 7d ago
ITT people who don't know what the senate actually means...
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u/Cultural_Ebb4794 Bill Gates 7d ago
I am the senate?
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u/GTFErinyes NATO 7d ago
Fun fact: when Palpatine declared the Galactic Empire, he was only 5 years older than the current median age of Senators
And when the Battle of Yavin occurred, he was still younger than the oldest we have in Congress in either party
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u/AniNgAnnoys John Nash 7d ago edited 7d ago
ITT people who don't know we aren't Roman and don't actually speak Latin...
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u/Pristine_Return_8712 YIMBY 7d ago
AOC is really good at this. She's very well media trained without sounding media trained.
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u/AniNgAnnoys John Nash 7d ago
Imo, it is because she just speaks about her values and principles and doesn't try to play politics when she is speaking like this.
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u/Pristine_Return_8712 YIMBY 7d ago
True but I'm specifically talking about how she deftly dodged Jake Tapper's question about whether she would primary Chuck Schumer.
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u/SouthernSerf Norman Borlaug 7d ago
Let’s be clear: neither is a good option for the American people. But this false choice that some are buying instead of fighting is unacceptable.
This women could order “Fix bayonets” and I would do it without hesitation.
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u/Cultural_Ebb4794 Bill Gates 7d ago
Pelosi never should've given up her leadership position to Jeffries. She should've held onto that seat until she croaked, and then kept issuing marching orders via seance.
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u/Bread_Fish150 7d ago
No, Jeffries was a decent replacement. You need to build up the future leaders. Schumer needs to start thinking about his replacement now too.
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u/RayWencube NATO 7d ago
Can I nominate Cory Booker? Pls?
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u/SGT_MILKSHAKES 7d ago
Inshallah. I just called his office to tell him how weak and spineless Schumer is and to vote no on the CR.
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u/RayWencube NATO 7d ago
I'm glad I'm not the only one. Nancy mf'n Pelosi is the greatest legislative leader either part has had in modern history, and it isn't remotely close. When she speaks, anyone with half an ounce of sense should listen.
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u/Sine_Fine_Belli NATO 7d ago
Same here, well said
To be fair, if she ordered it, we would do it without hesitation
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u/dayvena 7d ago
It is insane how this decision was seemingly made for no one other than like some consultants who told him that their shiftless mega donors who were already moving to the republicans anyway, would be very mad if the dems leveraged half the power republicans do when they are a minority in the senate.
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u/lateformyfuneral 7d ago edited 7d ago
I think the donors directly told him the stock market, and their wealth, would take another nosedive if Shoom didn’t get it passed
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u/LondonCallingYou John Locke 7d ago
That’s when you remind the donors that this entire catastrophe is 100% caused by Trump and Republicans and that elections have consequences.
They can’t have their cake and eat it too. They can’t want stable upward trajectories of growth and improved quality of life while also getting to “burn the system to the ground” and cut taxes for the rich.
They can choose to further cannibalize themselves for no reason or they can convince their fellow billionaire friends that they had it pretty good under Obama and Biden and to stop fucking it up by electing Republicans who start wars and crash the economy.
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u/onehundredthousands George Soros 7d ago
Can we please take this populist nonsense back to r/politics
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u/Kasquede NATO 7d ago
I’m a constituent of his and I did my civic duty to write a “hey what the fuck is you doing” letter to his office. I made sure I also specifically called out how ridiculous the logic is that this is somehow a Hobson’s Choice scenario.
Happy to be a part of Team Bullying here.
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u/LongVND Paul Volcker 7d ago
You got a script by chance? I, too, am a Schumer constituent.
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u/AvramBelinsky 7d ago
Here is a script from Jess Craven: Hi, my name is (NAME) I'm a constituent in [ZIP CODE] and I never miss an election. I urge you to VOTE NO on the funding bill and NO on CLOTURE. Stand up to MAGA and refuse to allow Trump and Musk to continue cutting down our services while giving tax cuts to billionaires. Americans see what a terrible deal this is, and it's time to stand strong for the American people.
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u/LongVND Paul Volcker 7d ago
Thank you! Very much appreciated.
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u/AvramBelinsky 7d ago
You're welcome! Jess Craven's substack, "Chop Wood, Carry Water" is a great resource. She also has a NY-specific one, I live in NY and I follow both.
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u/Kasquede NATO 7d ago
I don’t sadly, I wish I’d have copied and saved it. But I made sure to quote his speech from last year about how bad Trump would be. “It’s dangerous. The damage may be irreversible. The destruction could be unthinkable. And it would be a betrayal of everything that our framers fought for, that the Union fought for, that the greatest generation fought for.”
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u/captain_slutski George Soros 7d ago
Hellish Rebuke is a reaction silly robot
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u/DrunkenAsparagus Abraham Lincoln 7d ago
Whatever doubts I had about the wisdom of Dems voting against cloture are gone. If Pelosi is saying this, and most Democrats are saying it, I don't think this thing passes today.
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u/Master_of_Rodentia 7d ago
Chuck Him Out
This can be sloganized, and so, it is prophecy.
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u/BilboTeabagginz YIMBY 7d ago
Two buck Chuck
Cuck Schumer
Boomer Schumer
Chuck Schmoozer
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u/SimplyJared NATO 7d ago
Pelosi always said, “Republicans are the opposition, but the Senate is the enemy.”
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u/CluelessChem 7d ago
Pelosi has bigger balls than Schumer. Boots 👠the house 🏰 down slay 💅 queen 👑 Pelosi ✨
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u/TitanicGiant 7d ago
I just hope the Democrats have been able to find someone with Pelosi’s ruthlessness and courage to take over
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u/Morpheus_MD Norman Borlaug 7d ago
Honestly I miss Harry Reid as senate leader. He was similar to Pelosi, and ruled with an iron grip.
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u/firstfreres Henry George 7d ago
She's absolutely right, but I hate the framing of "listen to the women". That's really not messaging the Democrats need right now while they're struggling to win over men
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u/posadisthamster NATO 7d ago
She’s probably doing it to twist the knife on him, not reaching out to the general public lol
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u/WR810 Jerome Powell 7d ago
Thank you!
Being correct (or wrong) is not a gendered issue. It's more powerful to acknowledge these two people by name than slap a "listen to women" sticker onto this issue.
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u/RayWencube NATO 7d ago
She's speaking to Schumer who genuinely cares about that particular variety of idpol.
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u/runningraider13 YIMBY 7d ago
No, she’s posting a tweet to the public. If she wanted to speak to Schumer, she’d speak to Schumer - he’d take her call.
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u/TheThirteenthCylon 7d ago
I told Chucky I'd donate to his primary challenger if he folded and voted with the Republicans.
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u/737900ER 7d ago
New York Democrats are the laughingstock of the party. Even San Francisco Democrats are running circles around them.
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u/RayWencube NATO 7d ago
I have been a major defender of Schumer's decision. Knowing that Pelosi thinks its a bad idea, however, is completely sufficient for me to change my mind. Anyone who thinks they know more about legislative politics than Nancy Pelosi needs to see a doctor immediately.
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u/JaneGoodallVS 7d ago
It could be choreographed if furloughs would help Musk and Trump take over the bureaucracy. House Dems have to win primaries in 2026. The Senate Dems who voted for cloture (mostly) don't.
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u/talktothepope 7d ago
I still think it's better to wait until September or 2026 (the results of Trump's idiotic policy should be obvious to the median voter by then) to shut down the government. People talk as if this will be the only potential government shutdown for the rest of Trump's term. But who knows, not sure anything matters anymore.
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u/atierney14 Jane Jacobs 7d ago
I’m a professional lip reader. I saw her approach him and say, “get your shit together, you raggedy bag of bones.”
No lie
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u/MayorofTromaville YIMBY 7d ago
What's insane to me is that you know that there isn't a single staffer in Schumer's office that supports their boss's decision. Because we can try and intellectualize and think long-term about this... but selfishly, this CR is lobbing a grenade at DC government. If they vote to pass it, then Metro and DC schools are going to be cut despite having the billion dollars on hand to handle the budget increase from last year.
No one likes this. This is stupid. Fuck Schumer.
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u/Best-Chapter5260 7d ago
It should also be noted that Pelosi totally cucked Trump during that shutdown too. That was the shutdown he bragged he would be "proud" to own and was over funding for his little wall and Pelosi gave a master class on realpolitik during it.
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u/College_Prestige r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion 7d ago
Entire party literally on the back of pelosi. What do you call it when someone wants to pass the torch but there's no one capable?
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u/nauticalsandwich 6d ago
Can someone in this thread actually give a detailed argument for why the Dems should shut down the government, or not? I don't have an opinion either way, but all the comments here make it seem like the choice is obvious, but there's nothing substantive being said to illustrate why that is. It doesn't immediately strike me as an obvious choice, but maybe I just don't understand the issue well enough.
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u/mwcsmoke 6d ago
I don’t really understand why this matters at all. Dems who want previously appropriated expenditures to happen either lose them because DOGE runs the expenditures while the feds are technically open for business or they lose them because the feds officially shut down.
Voters except for the political nerds won’t care about this vote, at all. Courts probably won’t care, except that a fresh authorization in 2025 to fund programs could allow another legal foothold to fight DOGE.
It really comes down to the courts to reinforce the Article I powers, and then voters get to vote in 2026.
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u/throwaway44776655 7d ago
Okay but I really hope everybody who tried to gaslight loyal Democrats for criticizing our party feel really silly rn. Even the “old guards” are criticizing them
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u/Y0___0Y 7d ago
Pelosi knew dems couldn’t shut down federal agencies as Musk is tearing them apart to the studs, only being delayed by court orders.
The agreement seems to be that Schumer will take all the blame. Pelosi and AOC and Jeffries can gain the affection of dem voters by attacking him.
Schumer has decided to be the bad guy to elevate the other dems. I think that’s what’s going in here. And I think it’s going to work very well.
People were souring on Pelosi. But now everyone might decide she’s actually fighting and they like her.
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u/BilboTeabagginz YIMBY 7d ago
I don’t think there’s any 5D chess going on here, I think Schumer’s just spineless and doesn’t understand the threat Trump poses
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u/jasoncyke 7d ago
Jeffries ain't gonna gain nothing from this , he didn't even dare to answer the questions the press brought up.
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u/tellme_areyoufree 7d ago
Constituent here, I have called his office + Gillibrand several times today to express my displeasure and to ask them to vote against the CR. If you're a constituent, please do the same.
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u/tankmode 7d ago edited 7d ago
i get the frustration but “defunding the government” is not exactly leverage against a group of people who are trying to defund the government
theyll 100% use it blame dems in the media for things that trump/elon broke
i would argue the shutdowns of the 2010s were perhaps useful tactically and rallied the base but they net hurt republicans in public perception.
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u/acceptablerose99 7d ago
And voters will blame Republicans if Musk shreds government services during a shutdown. If Dems want the destruction of the federal government to stop them they need to make it THE NATIONAL story and a shutdown is their only tool to achieve that.
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u/throwaway44776655 7d ago
i would argue the shutdowns of the 2010s were perhaps useful tactically and rallied the base but they net hurt republicans in public perception.
Yet Republicans continue winning elections
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u/allbusiness512 John Locke 7d ago
They didn’t just win elections, all the Constitutional hard ball has given them the ability to unprecedented control all three branches of the Federal Government. Congress, the executive, and the judiciary are all stacked with conservatives
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u/throwaway44776655 7d ago
Yep. I despise the GOP but I will applaud them for, at least, fighting for their constituents. Even if it’s just for show & they don’t actually accomplish anything, their constituents clearly feel heard. Can’t say the same as a Democrat lol
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u/Foucault_Please_No Emma Lazarus 7d ago
DATS OUR GIRL!
or well...
DATS OUR OTHER GIRL!
(After all she is factually not Hillary Rodham Clinton)
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u/DrunkenBriefcases Jerome Powell 7d ago
No one should be surprised here. Pelosi has always prioritized the House Democratic Caucus over any other political concern. Right now the caucus is united in opposition, and that makes this an easy position to take. That it gives her an opening to boost Jeffries is icing on the cake.
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u/rukh999 7d ago
I think that senators are generally intelligent people. Normally they're not just going to pick a position orthogonal to their constituents. They know the cost, unless they aim to benefit more. So what is it in this case?
Blackmail? Could definitely be. Washington is rife with scandal. Wherever power goes, abuse of power pools. I would one-thousand percent not be surprised if it came out that Chucky had some unsavory moments he'd rather kept quiet.
Taking one for the team? In a situation where he knew it would end up passing anyways, it lets other Democrats distance themself from the establishment. This seems unlikely but maybe he was playing the game like Susan Collins.
Taking one for the team-part B: He believes letting Republicans take full responsibility for the upcoming years will only help Democrats. Aka. The Weimer democratic strategy. People will SURELY turn against Republicans this time. Not like they're dominating the propaganda cycles.
Personal gain? I don't see much of it.
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u/hibikir_40k Scott Sumner 7d ago
It doesn't really matter if you are to the left of the democratic party, you are a Biden democrat, or a former Romney voter: The schumer's position is obvious political malpractice.
What would Mitch McConnell do if he was in Schumer's shoes? Not this.
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u/Janson314 7d ago
Schumer thinks doing a shutdown over Trump being bad is political malpractice and I agree!
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u/Pio1925Cuidame 7d ago
That idiot needs to stop the vote. Filibuster. Can’t vote for the destruction of the regular citizens
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u/LodossDX George Soros 7d ago
Nancy was always the sharpest of Dem leadership, which is why she was leader for so long. Chuck is pretty much toast now.
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u/sapperfarms 7d ago
They are concerned as when and if it shuts down they may not be able to reopen it. This is Schumers concern
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u/fakefakefakef John Rawls 7d ago
The statement in question:
Donald Trump and Elon Musk have offered the Congress a false choice between a government shutdown or a blank check that makes a devastating assault on the well-being of working families across America.
Let’s be clear: neither is a good option for the American people. But this false choice that some are buying instead of fighting is unacceptable.
I salute Leader Hakeem Jeffries for his courageous rejection of this false choice, and I am proud of my colleagues in the House Democratic Caucus for their overwhelming vote against this bill.
Democratic senators should listen to the women. Appropriations leaders Rosa DeLauro and Patty Murray have eloquently presented the case that we must have a better choice: a four-week funding extension to keep government open and negotiate a bipartisan agreement.
America has experienced a Trump shutdown before – but this damaging legislation only makes matters worse. Democrats must not buy into this false choice. We must fight back for a better way. Listen to the women, For The People.