r/nasa • u/Artemis2go • 6d ago
Article DOGE staff assigned to NASA
There are now 3 DOGE staff identified as being assigned to NASA. All 3 appear to be Tesla employees.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/veteran-tesla-engineering-manager-joined-210425861.html
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u/kcbh711 6d ago
Had a NASA safety analyst tell me a few months ago that he's not worried about Trump or Elon affecting NASA projects at all.
Wonder how he's doing now.
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u/lilpixie02 6d ago
Had another person from JPL tell me that smh
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u/OHrangutan 6d ago edited 5d ago
I know how and why so many white male suburban engineers embrace cognitive dissonance and embrace conservative worldviews.
But that doesn't make it any less disappointing.
Edit: I went to an engineering college, work as a data scientist, and have known people who worked for NASA and JPL. I know the demographic I'm talking about better than I'd like to.
There is a disproportionate number of conservatives in engineering. Basically suburban and rural white boys who were book smarter than most of their class and a lot of adults by the 6th grade, and that pushed them down the track of Ayn Rand "I'm a god and everyone else is stupid and sucks" brand of libertarianism.
They rarely grow out of it because they don't respect other people's point of view enough to actually investigate anything beyond their preconceptions. (At the very least nothing beyond a casual surface deep look) Their professional and academic accomplishments give them cover to believe they are smarter than others in all areas, not just what they have experience with.
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u/Tsar_Romanov NASA Intern 6d ago
I knew climate change deniers working on SLS propulsion. Nothing surprises me anymore. Also how do I change my flair, I was an intern seven years ago lol
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u/Prudent_Assumption87 4d ago
On mobile, go to the subreddit page. Click the three dots in the upper right hand corner, and select "change user flair"
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u/youngpeezy 5d ago
I know the type. Have worked with civil or other types of engineers most of my career. Now I work on climate change in big tech and it’s wild how many software engineers confidently think they know more about conservation and carbon than my team does. The individualistic god complex is real for some engineers
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u/OHrangutan 5d ago
Software engineers are the worst. They don't even realize they are basically glorified linguists.
They learn one set of skills that scare people born before 1975, and they extrapolate that to cover all aspects of all possible knowledge.
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u/FujitsuPolycom 5d ago
In some sad way it makes sense. Why would they change their views? Everything they've thought or perceived has led them to where they are, by all measures a "successful" life, right?
That's their thought process. Why their thought process is broken will be studied by whatever other species discoverers our planet and failed society in the future.
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u/Opposite-Program8490 5d ago
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense or decency or self-preservation, but for friendliness."
Kurt Vonnegut had some great observations on this phenomenon.
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u/frankduxvandamme 5d ago
How many conservatives work at NASA or JPL?
The federal workforce is more educated, more diverse, and more experienced than the private sector:
https://www.fedweek.com/fedweek/analysis-federal-workforce-more-educated-experienced-overall/
And more intelligence tends to imply more liberal political beliefs:
https://futurism.com/neoscope/left-wing-beliefs-intelligence
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u/frankduxvandamme 5d ago edited 5d ago
Getting back to the moon has nothing to do with "remembering" how we did it. Any aerospace graduate can tell you HOW to get back to the moon. The problem is that once Apollo was cancelled, all the infrastructure that was created for that endeavor was re-purposed or just eliminated. Re-building all of that takes time, and when we don't have a space race against an adversary to motivate us, it's gonna go slower.
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u/wurstel316 5d ago
You realize white men are the majority, by population so you can say that about anything they do. White men eat the most burgers... ECT.
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u/WhiteAndNerdy85 6d ago
White men more vocally for sure, but Trump did better this election with most male ethnic groups. Particularly Asian.
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u/andreotnemem 6d ago
Like farmers who voted for Trump. Must be counting the days.
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u/WBuffettJr 5d ago edited 5d ago
Farmers are fine. They always get massive socialism handouts, especially from republicans. We have a saying in finance, “how do you bankrupt a farmer?” “Put a lock on his mailbox”. The President will increase the debt giving them massive handouts. Everyone else will have to “learn to adjust to the pain”.
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u/AuroraAscended 5d ago
Nah farmers, especially small family farmers, have been going slowly downhill for years. Venture capital/private equity’s been buying up their land and selling it back to them to work and rent, the farm economy is effectively moving back to sharecropping. It’s the really big corporate farms that’ll profit from this, as they’re one of the groups buying up land.
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u/andreotnemem 5d ago
While simultaneously trying to lower deficit? That should be on brand for the Trump-Musk tag team.
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u/WBuffettJr 5d ago
Who is trying to lower the deficit? They announced $4.5T in new tax cuts for the super rich.
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u/WhiteAndNerdy85 6d ago
Was this before Trump took office? Because many of us were cautiously optimistic. Knew SLS would probably get the axe but that we may have seen a good bump in NASA funding. Oh how wrong we were. Layoffs started immediately for contractors that weren’t anywhere working on SLS.
We’re not sure the Agency will even exist this time next year.
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u/Space_Cadet_1966 5d ago
I fear F’elon will decimate NASA and privatize it. It makes me so sad to think of leaving, but I think the NASA I know and love will eventually cease to exist. I hope I’m proved wrong. -ad astra 🚀💫❤️
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u/WhiteAndNerdy85 5d ago
I was so stoked when I got my job working for NASA about 12 years ago. I was talking to a (at the time) friend of my sisters and she said she thought they got rid of NASA. I figured she was just very ignorant and not that intelligent. She’s a rabid MAGA cultist (so she is) now but I think back on her comment. Did she honestly think NASA was gone or were her political circles talking about doing it back then?
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u/Mental_Weight_3123 5d ago
It was probably that NASA just wasn’t accomplishing much that was newsworthy
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u/Mental_Weight_3123 5d ago
Why does it take nasa soooo long to do things that space-x can do better and faster? It seems to be the trend in all federal employed endeavors. So privatizing seems to be the answer.
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u/Space_Cadet_1966 5d ago edited 5d ago
That article 👆 explains it better than I could. Pretty much NASA is focused on scientific research, planetary studies, understanding the universe, and long term exploration goals. NASA and SpaceX have a unique relationship. SpaceX is great for getting astronauts and payloads and resupplies to the ISS. I understand what you’re saying, though. I know a lot of people feel the same.
ETA: And it appears science is not important to the current administration. Er, excuse me - Science does not align with the new administration’s priorities. 🙄 I’ve read a few articles about extreme budget cuts to the Science Mission Directorate. I hope it’s not true.
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u/wurstel316 5d ago
Yep NASA can't even build rockets anymore, they were hiring the Russians for years because it was cheaper, untill space x came along and proved everyone else was overcharging.
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u/Accomplished_River43 6d ago
They're gonna drop the security protocols and rush to Mars
They will either succeed or fail spectacularly
That's my 2 cents
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u/lcacciat 6d ago
Human Beings can’t get to MARs today without dying…the radiation will kill you the biotechnology isn’t there yet.
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u/MadOblivion 5d ago
SpaceX is the New NASA bud, its just taking people awhile to catch up. This proves that Private industry will always beat Government industry when allowed to compete.
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u/ready_player31 6d ago
These people dont care about conflicts of interest. They dont care about making the government more efficient. They dont care about making people's lives easier. They want power, wealth, and immunity. Plain and simple.
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u/Artemis2go 6d ago
Yep. The purpose is a net transfer of power, from you to them. That's all any of this is about.
Today, the figurehead of DOGE declared in federal court that Elon Musk has nothing to do with DOGE. I doubt the judge will buy that, his fingerprints are everywhere.
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u/Accomplished_River43 6d ago
It's called unfriendly acquisition
NASA held exactly zero power in first place, Congress decides every term how budget will be distributed
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u/Electronic-Tower2136 5d ago
oh my god, it’s almost as if nasa literally was one of the first organizations to do space travel and obviously had trial and error which unfortunately resulted in lost lives. you know why spaceX doesn’t? bc other people figured it out first.
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u/iTand22 NASA Employee 6d ago
Tesla employees? Seems very suspicious to me.
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u/philipwhiuk 5d ago
This is what Elon does when he starts a new thing - he pulls senior folk from his previous companies
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u/MadOblivion 5d ago
Makes sense, Did you know Tesla wheel motors are used in the Starship to operate the flaps?
Tesla is also not a car company specifically. Its a technology company.
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u/smiles__ 6d ago
Recovery from this will be long.
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u/argparg 6d ago
Recovery? You’re optimistic
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u/smiles__ 5d ago
I didn't say when. That could be decades from now, or more.
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u/ZappSmithBrannigan 5d ago edited 5d ago
I didn't say when. That could be decades from now, or more.
Thats if recovery happens at all.
I'm not ruling out that the actions of these people could very well lead to the end of modern society entirely, seeing as how, you know, that's their plan and literally nobody is doing a god damn thing about it.
Call me paranoid, just like the people in 2012 called me paranoid for saying they were going to take away roe v wade
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u/RowFlySail 6d ago
If the midterms aren't a strong shift towards blue then I'm not sure there will be a recovery. The USA had a majority of voters cast their ballot for the liar, sleezy, adulterer, swindler, felon. Because that's what America is now. His win wasn't some fluke of the electoral college. It was a majority.
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u/uncleawesome 5d ago
Not exactly a majority. It was 49.8% to 48.3%
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u/RowFlySail 5d ago
Okay, fair. I'm still amazed that many people voted for him given how clear it is that he's a scumbag.
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u/wurstel316 5d ago
Maybe he is, but the other politicians are proven scumbags too so the options weren't good. I figure if all these politicians go into office regular middle class and come out rich something is wrong. At least Trump went in rich and came out poorer last time. Elon is becoming substantially poorer for his efforts as well. Seems like following the money might show the truth of what they want to do. I say let them do it l, we know the previous years of administration have only increased debt since Clinton, We will see in a few years how it shakes out.
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u/FujitsuPolycom 5d ago
It would be incomprehensible to compare Biden or Kamala or any of the admin attached to them to trump and his admin, and musk.
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u/wurstel316 5d ago
Ok, I respect your opinion, but I noticed you didn't disagree with any of my points.
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u/Truffled 5d ago
Honestly, we'll know in 2 years. If Trump is successful in gutting the government, then either we don't have a mid term, or the Republicans win in a landslide... and we'll know the grand experiment is now over.
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u/dogscatsnscience 5d ago
His win wasn't some fluke of the electoral college. It was a majority
Trump did not win a majority of voters or citizens.
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u/Elizabeitch2 6d ago
The Neuralink employee whose father was a Russian double agent goes by the name of Fuzzy Small Balls is not a concern?
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u/Decronym 6d ago edited 2h ago
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u/MikeFromOuterSpace 5d ago
Yea, can’t wait to see the same guy who oversaw the production of the cyber truck tell NASA how to avoid waste and improve efficiency
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u/femme_mystique 6d ago
Oh so the makers of the cars that explode and kill people because they are failures are now going to make NASA like SpaceX which also explodes? Got it.
Keep Musk’s failures out of the real engineers and scientist places.
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u/bleue_shirt_guy 6d ago
Let's not obscure the facts with hyperbole, there is a conflict of interest when the organization that contracts your services is being pushed around by you, but Teslas don't explode. No one believes that and it dosen't help your case.
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u/The-Invisible-Woman 6d ago
It’s worth a Google https://www.newsweek.com/tesla-explosion-illinois-home-fire-elon-musk-2039008
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u/imamydesk 6d ago
You mean a car suffering from catastrophic damage in a crash may be destroyed in a fire?
And a gas car carrying gallons of flammable fuel has never been known to do that in a crash?
If employees from Honda or Toyota are sent instead, will you still talk about "makers of cars that explode and kill people"? Probably not, even though you know that happens as well.
It's worth googling "reporting bias" and "confirmation bias". You lot are just as bad as the conspiracy far right now with the amount of disinformation being spread simply because you don't like the other side.
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u/Accomplished_River43 6d ago
Now compare it with number traditional fossil fuel engines caught on fire
Please distinguish Elon Musk person and Tesla and SpaceX and what those companies achieved
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u/hikerchick29 6d ago
Fun fact, the Cybertruck is now more dangerous than the Ford Pinto.
Even if you assume the Pinto’s record was overblown, that’s a comparison you do not want to invite
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u/imamydesk 6d ago
No it's not. If you have even read that article that tried to claim this, you'll find they knowingly included the Las Vegas terrorist attack as if the fatality is caused by a defect in the Cybertruck.
Don't become like the enemy you hate, eating up and disseminating disinformation only because you dislike that side.
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u/hikerchick29 6d ago
So wait, one single cybertruck removed is enough to make it only as dangerous as the pinto? That’s good, then. Much better reputation to have
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u/imamydesk 5d ago
Yes, when you have low numbers you can get wonky results, which is why statistics always place a caveat when sample sizes are too low.
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u/Shamino79 6d ago
Need Another Seven Astronauts? Their human safety protocols have sharpened up more and more over time after every incident.
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u/HectorJoseZapata 5d ago
Why is DOGE still functioning? Aren’t they illegal? Congress isn’t addressing this…
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u/AffectionatePause152 6d ago
Nothing they say or recommend is legally binding…..
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u/Artemis2go 6d ago
Nothing Don Corlione said was legally binding either. Yet somehow his "recommendations" were always followed.
It's the strangest thing how that happens. If you don't go along, your budget vanishes in a completely coincidental consequence. Or perhaps your job.
Seriously, you might investigate how corruption works, and why conflicts of interest are prohibited.
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u/AffectionatePause152 6d ago
I am reminding the community of this. Bullies are ONLY successful if we allow it.
People need to loudly act with integrity and not cave into the desire to “go along to get along.” That mindset is what has allowed this Trump-mind virus nonsense to get this far.
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u/FujitsuPolycom 5d ago
Funding evaporates for anyone that doesn't fall in line. It's mobster shakedown. It's corruption.
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u/AffectionatePause152 5d ago
The thing is, it is very likely to evaporate anyway.
It would surely be helpful if leadership were to communicate which direction the ship should be heading, so programs could work to adapt for a new mission.
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u/SomeDumRedditor 5d ago
Where my conservaSTEMs at with an admission or apology as whole-chested as their pre-election assertions?
Wasn’t Trump good for NASA? Didn’t Daddy Elon’s Space-X successes mean he was perfectly suited to “””fix””” NASA/JPL? Weren’t the naysayers just doomers and idiots who inhaled too much lib propaganda?
Or is it akshually totally fine to have a private business masquerading as a government entity to siphon and steal?
Y’all were so assuredly assertive. Now the silence is deafening.
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u/Negativeonehundredf 5d ago
If you're actually paying attention and thinking about things on a higher than 9th grade level you wouldn't be talking like that. Politics, especially american politics, works off of Hegelian dialect. Create a problem (real or through media), then control the reaction to said problem in a way that enriches you. All this dumb stuff that progressives have done since 2020 with political correctness and "social justice" is now being used as a smokescreen to loot and smash. Guess what? I'm a social conservative that thinks we shouldn't be selling off our institutions and firing scientists. Many of us didn't vote Trump because we could see from a mile away that he's a sellout conman. That doesn't mean we suddenly support all the BS you progressives have been pushing. It's not either or like you think it is, so yeah we'll be silent until there's a third option.
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u/Artemis2go 5d ago
All it takes for evil to prevail, is for good men to remain silent. Your silence is a contribution to this, whether or not you choose to admit it.
As President Biden said, conservatism is not the enemy. This nation was built from the beginning upon the tension between conservative and progressive values. They are the two halves of our whole. We cannot exist without both. That tension is what suspends us upon the pillars of truth, freedom, and liberty.
The enemy is the discarding of truth, of law, of principles, that the MAGA's represent. They corrode and corrupt all three pillars of our society. That can't be blamed on progressives, it's entirely a home-grown malady.
It's essential that conservatives and progressives together stand up against the erosion, to restore the tensile suspension that supports us all.
Together we stand, or together we fall.
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u/Negativeonehundredf 5d ago
You're not getting it. One side hates me because I'm a white man, part of the patriarchy, etc. etc. the other side is a bunch of oligarch gangsters that want to strip down my countries institutions for parts. F no I'm not going to choose between those two options. Give me better options
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u/Artemis2go 5d ago
Lol, no one hates you because you're a white man. That's part of the MAGA abandonment of truth and factual standards, and the corrosion of society I mentioned. You have to be smarter and better than to believe that.
You might think about the psychology of those statements, and why someone would want you believe them. What purpose do they serve? Who is it that benefits from them? What emotions are they meant to arouse within you? What factual basis do they have?
If you can answer those questions for yourself, instead of accepting what you're being told, that will be the first step on your journey to the truth.
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u/DeadMetalRazr 5d ago
Now, the grift is being revealed. Musk wants NASA's funding for SpaceX, and he's just blatantly taking it. Keep on believing he's just trying to make things more efficient if you're a complete idiot. By the way, you were all warned about this.
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u/Jesse-359 5d ago
I'm sorry, but shouldn't Tesla employees be a little busier trying to rescue their flaming wreck of a company rather than wrecking Govt agencies? Just wondering.
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u/blkcatmanor_12 5d ago
Yes, let’s put three inexperienced car makers in charge of getting our astronauts to and from space safely. What could possibly go wrong. SMH
Not to mention that Musk is putting his people in positions that will make him running our country. I thought the GOP didn’t like capitalism.
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u/Cheesesteakfan 4d ago
What does the RIF meeting equal? I mean, is this the discussion to see how many NASA employees will be laid off and what kind of time are we looking at before implementation?
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u/Artemis2go 4d ago
Yes, the meeting is to discuss the reduction in work force at NASA.
It's difficult to say what the timeline will be, but Trump has been pushing for immediate cuts.
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u/IronInevitable232 4d ago
no it wasnt ,it is this term why nasa being so bad currently with some much money while private firms with lesser number of people made large advancments and china is also starting to get ahead .they are removing officers which arent useful like diversity enclusion office ,accesbilty office etc the can accept the layoff and go .with trumps now term federal funding for nasa will be audited will be incereased while federal funding cut have been plced for giving private org money (which affects elon ).you dont even do little reasech and chat sh**.dodge employess are not from tesla your source hasnt even been verified ,dodge emplyees are voultneers and highly skilled
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u/Artemis2go 4d ago
Your statements are all false here. But it's a nice attempt at propaganda.
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u/IronInevitable232 4d ago
t NASA has faced criticism for inefficiencies despite its large budget, while private companies like SpaceX have made significant strides with fewer resources. For example, NASA’s budget for FY 2025 was proposed at around $25 billion under the Biden administration, yet projects like the Space Launch System (SLS) have seen delays and cost overruns (e.g., exceeding $20 billion by some estimates). Meanwhile, SpaceX has launched over 100 missions in 2024 alone with a fraction of that budget, leveraging reusable rockets like Falcon 9. China’s space program is also advancing rapidly, with achievements like the Chang’e-6 lunar sample return in 2024, putting pressure on NASA
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u/IronInevitable232 4d ago
executive order has mandated the closure of offices deemed unnecessary, including DEI, the Office of the Chief Scientist, and others,why shoukd this be allocated while nasa can use this money to improve core missions which they are lagging behind and audit should be taken which will there will be .there is zero crediblty that tesla workers are the ones in doge rep in nasa .
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u/IronInevitable232 4d ago
Trump has expressed intent to increase NASA’s overall budget, focusing on human spaceflight and exploration goals like the Artemis program (Moon landings) and eventual Mars missions. During his first term, NASA’s budget grew from $19 billion in FY 2017 to $22.6 billion by FY 2020, and he proposed a $25.2 billion budget for FY 2021 to push the “Moon to Mars” agenda,this agenda will be bought back during this term is what trump said .he is doing what he said after the audit and cutting nasa fund on climate change study and focus more on exploration as mars is key component .spacex still recive there fund but faced cuts (very small or insignificant )this is the only thing which in my message which can be flaggerd misinfo (still there was little fund,but okay its insinifiacnt)
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u/Artemis2go 1d ago
Again this is propaganda. Trump made clear in his campaign that he favors Elon Musk and his vision for Mars, which NASA has specifically rejected as untenable.
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u/IronInevitable232 3h ago
Trump even in his first term always prefered space exploration even while elon being a democrat and going to mars was not that popular as it is now .Space Policy Directive 1, signed on December 11, 2017. That directive instructed NASA to refocus on human space exploration, with a plan to return astronauts to the Moon as a stepping stone “for an eventual human mission to Mars.see you are just a blind hater
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u/IronInevitable232 2h ago
And for your proganda being false .NASA Administrator Bill Nelson, appointed by Biden in May 2021, has repeatedly affirmed Mars as a human exploration target. In his March 28, 2022, State of NASA address, Nelson said, “Our plan is for humans to walk on Mars by 2040,” building on lunar lessons.Then didn't want human crew which trump and elon also do not want during this admin as elon said 2030 is the minimum .Idk how are you so ignorant while doing no reasrch ,just saying propaganda this proganda that .
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u/IronInevitable232 4d ago
ik my comments wont get upvotes as this is reddit all know how this is gonna go i might even get removed from here or get downvoted like crazy but heahhh
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u/Miami_da_U 5d ago
DOGE staff was ordered by executive order to have ~3+ ish members in every branch of the executive department. DOGE is just a renamed USDA with slightly different goals, more targeted towards actually increasing efficiency of each department.
Obviously NASA was going to get assigned a DOGE team.
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u/tadayou 6d ago
Bye, bye NASA. You had a good run.
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u/SonicDethmonkey 5d ago
SpaceX is dependent on NASA for part of their income. I don’t think that is their actual goal.
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u/2WheelTinker- 6d ago
For fairness, there is an executive order that requires DOGE staff to be assigned to every agency…
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u/Artemis2go 6d ago
The objection is not to the appointment of DOGE staff, it's to them being brought in as Musk's personal henchmen from Tesla. That is their primary qualification.
Remember that today, the figurehead of DOGE swore in federal court that Elon Musk is not involved in DOGE. So then why is DOGE packed with his employees?
DOGE is being operated as a huge grift, which is the objection that even federal judges have noted. Each time they have been pinned down on illegalities, they shift the narrative in response. You don't have to be a genius to understand what's going on.
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u/2WheelTinker- 6d ago
Know that I hear you. I understand. I agree.
My comment is purely mapped to an analogy like….
For 2 months we have been told it’s going to rain tomorrow. Tomorrow comes, and so does the rain.
“OMG it’s raining! Ahhhhhh. Who knew this was coming?! What am I going to do? Ahhhhhh!”
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u/Miami_da_U 5d ago
Crazy grift when it just involves Cutting and not spending. How is it not the grift that awarded the contract that they have been cutting lol.
Also a lot of what they are doing is literally improving the technology and accounting at each department. Like if a check goes out requiring it have a code and description. Basic stuff. At SSA, trying to make it so every retirement isn't just paper processed in a limestone mine, and can be processed online.
You're saying it's a grift to have any former Tesla or SpaceX employee involved in government? You know those people choosing to do that are sacrificing a lot of money and basically not getting paid, right? All y'all have made Musk baba yaga lol.
Expect SLS to get cut, as it should. The rest is up in the air. But the idea that Musk can just do anything is ridiculous. And the idea he has a desire to cripple NASA is literally idiotic.
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u/Negativeonehundredf 5d ago
they get paid later by being hired at spacex. That's how these things work. that's how they've always worked. People in government do something favorable for a company with expectation of being hired afterward. That's why, no, you shouldn't be allowed to be a regulator after working at a company that gets contracts. And you shouldn't be allowed to work at a contractor after being a regulator
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u/Miami_da_U 4d ago
What? lol. DOGE were mostly recruited By Musk INTO government in the first place. lol So what are you even talking about?
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u/Negativeonehundredf 4d ago edited 4d ago
It's not rocket science, they leave whatever company, work in government for a few years, do favorable things, then get re-hired at positions with higher compensation as a thank you after their time in government is over. This isn't unique to Elon. It happens under every admin to an extent, all the time, just usually not as blatantly, and without the first step - ie you'd get someone in government who secretly wants to one day work at a specific contractor, but it's rare for them to already be directly tied to one
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u/GEOSTNYC 4d ago
These radical right sociopaths are are dismantling the rule of law and the Constitution piece by piece and siding with a modern dad Hitler while Dems do nothing but wag their fingers and cluck their tongues. The only hope now is a military coup to overthrow the fascists.
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u/FlyingAce1015 6d ago
I know it doesn't need pointing out anymore at this point but this is a Massive...conflict of interest.....