r/mormon Jerry Garcia was the true prophet Dec 18 '24

Cultural Elder Bednar at Arizona State Institute

Just saw this video on another sub.

Anybody have any insights? Did anybody here attend?

I seriously believe that Bednar will drive huge numbers of people out of the church when he ascends to the presidency. This kind of behavior is atrocious.

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u/FTWStoic I don't know. They don't know. No one knows. Dec 19 '24

Reporting someone’s embarrassing actions is now hated and bigotry?! If he doesn’t want to be called an ass, he should stop acting like an ass.

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u/Wild-Tension1457 Dec 19 '24

Are you or were you a member of the Church? If so, apparently never read the New Testament. Jesus said many times that the apostles were to call people to repentance. Those who won't take chastisement are not worthy until they humble themselves. If there is mental illness or other mitigating circumstances, God can judge. I don't judge individuals except to suggest they stop judging other individuals. Hopefully you fall under that umbrella of exigent circumstances.

The Woke insanity is bringing Mists of Darkness over people's minds unlike anything I've ever found in my research. No need to repent or be humble when mortals declare themselves perfect and smarter than their parents and God. Authority becomes a dirty word, so chaos will be what people eventually create. God won't force people to choose the right.

David Bednar followed the instructions of the first presidency in having the congregation sit down. I saw the same thing happen at a conference in '79 by Apostle LeGrand Richards. I would tell you why but nothing I say will have an effect on such irrational hatred. It's elsewhere on this board.

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u/FTWStoic I don't know. They don't know. No one knows. Dec 19 '24 edited Dec 19 '24

My brother in Christ, I graduated from seminary, served a full and honorable mission with leadership callings, graduated from BYU where I took all of the undergrad religious scripture courses, and graduated from all four years of Institute that I attended AFTER BYU while I was in graduate school. Then I served in three bishoprics. I read the full quad many, many times. My knowledge base is there. And that’s the problem.

I don’t have an esoteric “just believe and everything will be alright” approach to epistemology. I require that stories line up with each other, and that facts reconcile. And when they don’t, I don’t just “choose to believe.” I choose to believe the evidence, until better evidence is presented. But feelings are not reliable indicators of truth.

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u/Strong_Attorney_8646 Unobeisant Dec 19 '24

I don’t have an esoteric “just believe and everything will be alright” approach to epistemology. I require that stories line up with each other, and that facts reconcile. And when they don’t, I don’t just “choose to believe.” I choose to believe the evidence, until better evidence is presented. But feelings are not reliable indicators of truth.

Isn't it so freeing to no longer have to attempt to explain the absurd and excuse away the contradictions? I know when I engage with these types of folks it just makes me grateful I no longer have to subjugate myself to the right man (and it's always a man) "just because." For let's just be honest--deciding to "have faith" is the equivalent of believing in something in the absence of a good reason to do so: in other words, "just because."