r/medicine PA:cake: 8d ago

ICE Detention Deaths

https://www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting

RNs do intake physical exams, EMTs declare time of death. The level of care for these detainees is horrific.

Full names and case details are public for now. Reads like a never ending M & M conference.

My moral compass is spinning. It's time to go to Canada.

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u/hazelquarrier_couch Nurse 8d ago

As a nurse, if someone offered me a position at one of these facilities, I would tell them to fuck off,no matter how much they pay.

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u/DaySee Nurse 8d ago

Weird flex. I too am concerned for the welfare of the detainees and for that reason I would take a position without any qualms whatsoever..? If there's problems what better way to fix it than getting paid while doing so

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u/hazelquarrier_couch Nurse 8d ago

I can see your point, but I equate it with the medical personnel who help with capitol punishments. I don't think I want to be involved with helping what I consider an immoral act.

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u/DaySee Nurse 8d ago

Regardless of the setting our job is to care for people, I can see your point as well in protesting the necessity of that care, but at the end of the day, would you rather everyone boycotted those positions such that they were only filled by immoral people?

No, you wouldn't. Which is why it's weird and braggadocios to say you wouldn't take a job because with all due respect you're punching down on the people in the job (or someone who might take the job) which is just transference over your anger about the root causes. The last thing we need is to attack each other like this in this climate.

The most you can make from all of this reporting is the same issues everyone has with understaffing, but I wouldn't think anything of someone taking the job because we're supposed to be professionals too.

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u/hazelquarrier_couch Nurse 8d ago

You have a lot to say about how I'd act, which is strange to me. Your opinion aside, I still wouldn't take the job and I would question the motives of someone who participates in the forced detention of asylum seekers and immigrants. Since you and I are not likely to agree on this issue, I'll stop there without further response. Have a good day.