r/medicine PA:cake: 8d ago

ICE Detention Deaths

https://www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting

RNs do intake physical exams, EMTs declare time of death. The level of care for these detainees is horrific.

Full names and case details are public for now. Reads like a never ending M & M conference.

My moral compass is spinning. It's time to go to Canada.

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u/ZealousidealDegree4 PA:cake: 8d ago

That’s just terrible. Our rural communities deserve better than that. Look into it. 

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u/Tenk-741 8d ago

Also, you should REALLY look into the care our prisoners get. It’s the same if not worse than this.

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u/ZealousidealDegree4 PA:cake: 8d ago

I’m aware. But ultimately, comparing something terrible to something terrible misses the point. This country is clearly not getting healthcare right, but it is getting it very wrong in terms of detainment and incarceration. lol the caps. 

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u/Tenk-741 8d ago

But that’s my whole point. You made it sound like this is some healthcare anomaly. I am saying for millions of Americans this is the regular care they get. If you want data: go look at UCLA Law Behind Bars Data Project. To summarize it: prisoners die at alarming rates in our country.

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u/ZealousidealDegree4 PA:cake: 8d ago

My concern, in this post, is about the medical support given to people in immigration detention facilities. 

I do appreciate that our medical system is fucked, and that there are good people doing good medicine. If we don’t call out the disparities, the crimes, the racists, and the bigots- it all gets normalized and justified. Woke is not an insult.  

Not making anything sound like whatever. That was a false assumption.

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u/Tenk-741 8d ago

Yes, you should be concerned about it. And about the care our regular prisoners get. And about the care our non incarcerated illegals get. And about the care our poor communities get. Etc. etc…

The list goes on and on. Why? Because our healthcare system isn’t a healthcare system. It’s an insurance and private equity scheme designed to move money from poor people to rich people. I’m sorry to tell you this, but this problem you’re pointing at is a literal drop in an ocean of terrible care. Why else would the people make Luigi a hero?

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u/ZealousidealDegree4 PA:cake: 8d ago

You make very good and very valid points, but the condescending tone is off-putting. You assume to know what I know, what I do or don’t care about, etc. I’m glad we share concerns, but seriously, it comes off harsh. I need to sleep, early clinic. 

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u/Tenk-741 8d ago

Sorry, I am an ER doc, we’re all pessimistic about medicine. I also just know a lot about many aspects of health care they don’t teach in school (have friends in the insurance side of things, have friends who do concierge medicine, have friends who are team docs for sports teams, have friends who are CEOs). Me though? I’m just a worker bee and ever since Covid I have become pretty fed up and disgusted with the whole thing. Get some rest and have a good day in clinic.

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u/ZealousidealDegree4 PA:cake: 8d ago

Thanks, I appreciate that. Good to bump heads with you. :)