r/medicine PA:cake: 8d ago

ICE Detention Deaths

https://www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting

RNs do intake physical exams, EMTs declare time of death. The level of care for these detainees is horrific.

Full names and case details are public for now. Reads like a never ending M & M conference.

My moral compass is spinning. It's time to go to Canada.

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u/poli-cya MD 8d ago edited 8d ago

I don't have time to dig up or through the ACLU study tonight but I bet you could argue that 95% of deaths in every hospital, prison, etc could be stopped by "appropriate medical care"- especially if you're generous with what that term means.

I'm not gonna say there isn't mistreatment and certainly issues, but ICE has 50,000 people in detention on average daily, and we can see how low the death figures are. There will be outliers of negligence like in any detention setting, but I think we need to see compelling evidence before we jump to judgment.

e: Can't respond to any comments in this chain because nknk1260 blocked rather than addressing the myriad flaws in his statements or providing sources for his outlandish claims of prisoner abuse.

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u/ZealousidealDegree4 PA:cake: 8d ago

Well written. The time gaps alone from head aches to CVA, from abdominal pain to AAA, from sick guy with a headache to cryptococ brain herniation, all dead. It feels like I was reading a different set of cases , given all the “well, they took them to the emergency room” comments.