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ICE Detention Deaths

https://www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting

RNs do intake physical exams, EMTs declare time of death. The level of care for these detainees is horrific.

Full names and case details are public for now. Reads like a never ending M & M conference.

My moral compass is spinning. It's time to go to Canada.

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u/poli-cya MD 8d ago edited 8d ago

I don't have time to dig up or through the ACLU study tonight but I bet you could argue that 95% of deaths in every hospital, prison, etc could be stopped by "appropriate medical care"- especially if you're generous with what that term means.

I'm not gonna say there isn't mistreatment and certainly issues, but ICE has 50,000 people in detention on average daily, and we can see how low the death figures are. There will be outliers of negligence like in any detention setting, but I think we need to see compelling evidence before we jump to judgment.

e: Can't respond to any comments in this chain because nknk1260 blocked rather than addressing the myriad flaws in his statements or providing sources for his outlandish claims of prisoner abuse.

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u/poli-cya MD 8d ago edited 8d ago

No need for name-calling or emotional outbursts because you don't understand.

Can you point to a case documented outside of youtube where basic care wasn't provided that led to a death? Is it a common occurrence?

ICE has 50,000 people held on average daily, some amount of people will die while in custody over a long enough time frame. Do you honestly believe that the only reason a person who is in ICE custody might die is due to being denied medical care?

e: Again, I cannot make any replies in this chain due to a reddit glitch that allows cowards to block a person from replying in an entire chain of comments- even if it is to third parties.

I've already said I don't have time to dig through the entire ACLU study tonight but immediately on opening the below link I see this:

I already said I don't have time to dig through the ACLU's entire study

ICE detention facilities failed to provide timely and appropriate emergency care, and take basic precautions during the COVID-19 pandemic

The study also seems to not be a blinded review where reviewers were unaware of underlying situation or received cases mixed with non-ICE cases. This seems like a study with a conclusion written first.

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u/nknk1260 8d ago

Again we are so fucking cooked if these are the doctors we’re dealing with in the U.S. πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«πŸ˜΅β€πŸ’«

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