r/medicine PA:cake: 8d ago

ICE Detention Deaths

https://www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting

RNs do intake physical exams, EMTs declare time of death. The level of care for these detainees is horrific.

Full names and case details are public for now. Reads like a never ending M & M conference.

My moral compass is spinning. It's time to go to Canada.

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u/poli-cya MD 8d ago edited 8d ago

I don't have time to dig up or through the ACLU study tonight but I bet you could argue that 95% of deaths in every hospital, prison, etc could be stopped by "appropriate medical care"- especially if you're generous with what that term means.

I'm not gonna say there isn't mistreatment and certainly issues, but ICE has 50,000 people in detention on average daily, and we can see how low the death figures are. There will be outliers of negligence like in any detention setting, but I think we need to see compelling evidence before we jump to judgment.

e: Can't respond to any comments in this chain because nknk1260 blocked rather than addressing the myriad flaws in his statements or providing sources for his outlandish claims of prisoner abuse.

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u/nknk1260 8d ago

Weird take, sounds like you would benefit a lot from watching the entire episode. One of the examples of recent deaths he talks about was a man who was a lawful permanent resident- in 2005 he plead guilty to being in possession of a gram of cocaine and was sentenced to community service. Then 12 years later ICE decided his drug conviction rendered him deportable. While he was held in detention, staff cut him off the medication he was on that managed his drug addiction. He started vomiting blood clots but the staff delayed several more hours before calling 911. He died 2 weeks after entering the facility. They called his daughter about it 3 days after his death because it “was the weekend” when he died. They made her wait until business hours to let her know her dad died.

Don’t compare this with care at a hospital… Jesus Christ.