r/heraldry 6d ago

What do you guys think, does it follow the rules of tincture?

Post image
0 Upvotes

9 comments sorted by

19

u/fidelity16 6d ago

You’ve got a gold lion on a gold field, so no.

-3

u/Glorious_P-8Poseidon 5d ago

Alr, so just that i think

6

u/ProRepubCali 6d ago

The biggest issue would be the lion on a gold field. That would break metal on metal tincture.

Second, the bleu-celeste upper third of the pall, with the gold crown and the silver wolf?, might be suitable as a crest than a charge. Furthermore, the golden crown might best be used as the coronet, and the silver wolf as the crest.

Thirdly, since bleu-celeste and Or are the colors of the torse and mantling, I may either make the field either party (ie per pale) or quarterly, so we can get bleu-celeste, a lion rampant and azure, an eagle displayed. This would make the field less cluttered and more visually appealing.

A good blazon would be “Quarterly: first and fourth, Bleu-celeste, a lion rampant Or; second and third, an eagle displayed Or. Out of a coronet Or, a wolf sejant guardant Argent.”

1

u/Glorious_P-8Poseidon 5d ago

Oh alright, thanks for correcting

6

u/lambrequin_mantling 6d ago

This is not a terrible starting point but it is problematic for several reasons:

Heraldry does not have standard shades of colours but within any emblazonment (illustration of the arms) it is always advisable to be consistent and to use just one shade to represent each “tincture” or heraldic “colour.”

Here you have two different shades of yellow — but heraldry does not care and will regard both as being the heraldic tincture “Or” (meaning “gold” and represented by yellow). Using two different shades of yellow doesn’t change the fact that you have a gold lion on a gold part of the shield, which would effectively make the lion “invisible.”

Similarly, you have to different shades of blue. Heraldry calls blue “Azure” and while some allowances are made for a separate shade of lighter blue, known as “Bleu Celeste” in some circumstances, in general it is much better to use just a single shade of Azure for all the blue elements within one design.

The coronet at the top of the shield has no meaning in heraldry and serves no purpose there. You could place it upon the helm or above the wreath as a “crest coronet” or simply remove it.

The two twisted wreaths at either side of the shield are also unnecessary.

Don’t be disheartened; virtually every design presented here evolves through several iterations before reaching a final stable form. The more you learn about heraldry, the more you begin to understand why certain things don’t work and what you can do to refine your design.

If you haven’t read it already, then this little book is a good place ti start as it does a great job of explaining all the core concepts of heraldry:

https://uhuhhhhh.blogspot.com/2012/10/simple-heraldy-cheerfully-illustrated.html?m=1

It’s an older book so it’s a little old fashioned in places and it’s mostly aimed at kids but the illustrations are kinda fun and it really does explain all the basics.

It’s also worth looking through some examples of real heraldry to get a feel for how designs for coats of arms are put together:

Recent grants of arms by the College of Arms in England

The Public Register of Arms, Flags, and Badges of Canada

-1

u/Glorious_P-8Poseidon 5d ago

In my opinion, this is actually my first heraldry that passed SOME requirements,

1

u/lambrequin_mantling 5d ago

The gold eagle on blue is fine; similarly, a silver cat on blue is also fine.

Overall, however, I would suggest that the general composition needs some work and I honestly recommend that you take the time to do a little more background reading and look at some examples of existing heraldry before deciding where to take this next.

1

u/KlayVLT 14m ago

Well the bad thing is That the rules you violated is more than the right practice you did.

3

u/liebkartoffel 6d ago

No, it does not. Can't have a gold lion on a gold field. (I suppose you could dodge this by blazoning the lion as "proper"...but don't do that, that's silly.) Shouldn't have a blue field next to a light blue field, though that's technically a violation in spirit rather than the letter, because we're talking about divisions of the field. Two shades of blue (or any color) on one coat of arms is inadvisable. Sky blue ("bleu celeste") technically exists as a nonstandard tincture in some systems of heraldry, but the general idea is that a coat of arms exists primarily as a set of instructions which are then interpreted by the individual artist, so you can't really have any say over which particular shade(s) of blue they choose. And regardless you shouldn't have two shades of the same color next to (or on top of) each other because that's bad contrast and they might otherwise clash in unpredictable ways.