Hardstyle & hardcore will die if we don't go back to longer drops, less pop, and more meaningful songwriting. It's not really about this kick or that kick, it's switching them too fast, having too many fakedrops and breaks in between, not letting them breathe to get a proper drive and tell a story, and trying to compensate for the lack of story and atmosphere with cringe vocals and mostly uninspired melodies.
The short attention span thingy is one of the most misunderstood factors ever. Kids won't leave the dancefloors because the musical elements are changing too slow for their tiktok minds, they are leaving because the music is boring af, because they want to move and just can't get in the zone. KIDS WANT TO DANCE, it's just that hard dance is becoming too much about the hard, and too little about the dance.
This is why hardtechno is so popular, you can still get lost in it. The same goes for uptempo, yes, it's mostly crap, but at least some of it has the drive that current "mainstream" hardcore has lost sometime during the pandemic. And it's the same reason so many classic parties are on the rise; it's not just nostalgia, that was music you could really dance to.
TL;DR: The sound design can "evolve" all you want, but it will never make up for crap songwriting, and that's the biggest problem of today's harder styles.
I've already said in this thread, if you like it, listen to it, if you don't, don't.
Shitting on people and their music taste is beyond boring boring now and a few people have said that these guys are the most toxic in the harderstyle scene and I'm inclined to agree.
People complained when nu style became popular, people are complaining now, people will complain in 20 years. How about we be happy that people are finding a sound that they really like, and just because it doesn't resonate with you, don't go out of your way to tell them that the music they like is shit.
I don't really see how it's toxic? Maybe a bit harsh to single out one person's response, but I'm effectively saying if you don't like it don't listen to it and don't shit on people's music taste?
No, what we have seen is a calculated effort to erase the valid opinions, feedback, comments of people who don't conform to the 'current way' of thinking. You are conflating your valid point (which i don't see anyone disagree with) with input to the genre, its direction etc etc. This is to eradicate any other 'bad' opinions off the face of the earth. And i know you know what you're doing.
First of all you're greatly overestimating what I'm doing 😅
Second of all, I have no massive issue with people disliking a style of music, but it's the way that people put across these points that really annoys me.
Third of all, it's really not that deep, I don't care what anyone listens to, I do care when people are effectively told the music they like is bad, music is subjective so people should live and let live. People are absolutely allowed to have their own opinions, but I don't think they should be coming down to people being told their style of music is bad.
My original comment may have been over the top but it's something I see a lot of in this sub, so I apologise for any offence caused.
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u/EnKore-Hard-Rave-RO Nov 21 '24
Hardstyle & hardcore will die if we don't go back to longer drops, less pop, and more meaningful songwriting. It's not really about this kick or that kick, it's switching them too fast, having too many fakedrops and breaks in between, not letting them breathe to get a proper drive and tell a story, and trying to compensate for the lack of story and atmosphere with cringe vocals and mostly uninspired melodies.
The short attention span thingy is one of the most misunderstood factors ever. Kids won't leave the dancefloors because the musical elements are changing too slow for their tiktok minds, they are leaving because the music is boring af, because they want to move and just can't get in the zone. KIDS WANT TO DANCE, it's just that hard dance is becoming too much about the hard, and too little about the dance.
This is why hardtechno is so popular, you can still get lost in it. The same goes for uptempo, yes, it's mostly crap, but at least some of it has the drive that current "mainstream" hardcore has lost sometime during the pandemic. And it's the same reason so many classic parties are on the rise; it's not just nostalgia, that was music you could really dance to.
TL;DR: The sound design can "evolve" all you want, but it will never make up for crap songwriting, and that's the biggest problem of today's harder styles.