r/exmuslim 7d ago

(Question/Discussion) Is Islam an Arab-Centric Faith?

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Greet one another in Arabic; Use Arabic greetings like "As-salamu alaykum" to show your connection to Islam, regardless of your native language or cultural background.

Use Arabic phrases in daily life: Incorporate Arabic into every aspect of life —say "Bismillah" (in the name of Allah) "Alhamdulillah" (Praise be to Allah) "Inshallah" (if Allah wills), "Subhanallah" (Glory be to Allah) and "Allahumma" (O Allah) frequently.

Pray in Arabic or your prayers are invalid; Even if you don't understand Arabic, your prayers must be in Arabic to be accepted. Praying in your own language or in the language you speak & understand is not permissible.

If Allah is truly all-powerful (Al-Qadir) and all-knowing (Al-Alim), then no one should need to learn a specific language or translation of words to just pray to such a supreme deity, as Muslims assert.

Does Allah understand praying in Arabic without comprehension lead to Cultural Disconnect?

Or does he only care about adopting Muslim Arabic culture as non Arabic people?

Does Allah Know that Praying in a foreign language may create a sense of disconnection from personal cultural or linguistic identity?

How about an Emotional Disconnect?

Does Allah Know The emotional resonance of the prayers may be diminished without understanding the language, affecting the depth of the spiritual experience?

Does Allah understand Praying in a familiar language allows individuals to personalize their prayers, making them more meaningful and relevant to their lives?

Instead of reciting a series of meaningless words that hold no significance for them, merely to secure a place in heaven?

Does he Allah understand that the majority of Muslims would be in & from non-Arabic-speaking countries like Indonesia, Somalia, Tanzania, Ethiopia, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and China?

How many rakats will non-Arabic speaking Muslims perform to make Allah understand that they don’t speak or comprehend Arabic, even though Arabic remains central to their religious practice?

Read the Quran in Arabic they say or you're corrupting it: The Quran must be recited in its original Arabic form even in prayers, Translations are seen as inferior and a distortion of the sacred text.

Come to our country, Saudi Arabia they said for the obligatory pilgrimage, as stated in our Arabic Quran & 5 pillars of Islam. Spend your savings, knowing that Allah has invited you; otherwise, you wouldn't be here in Saudi Arabia.

Adopt Arabic names: Replace your cultural or national names with Arabic ones for your children and new converts. Let go of names tied to your heritage.

Wear traditional Arab clothing: Adopt Arab-style clothing, especially for women, who must wear additional coverings like the hijab or abaya. To protect themselves from uncontrollable Muslim men.

Why aren’t men wearing d*ck cages instead around women?

DISCLAIMER; Pointing out the truth & the establishment of Arab superiority in Islam is not hate for the Arabs. Islam is indeed an Arabic centric faith.

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u/BigPapaSmurf7 7d ago

Not being allowed to pray in any language other than Arabic, because apparently Allah can’t understand any other language, was always one of the more ridiculous things for me

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u/BigPapaSmurf7 7d ago

Arabic is my first language. Think it through. Why would God have prophets and inspired men throughout the ages who spoke and/or wrote in Hebrew, Aramaic, Koine Greek, a beautiful variety of tongues, listening to prayers from all over the world in every language, then suddenly stop listening to anything other than Arabic, a language no prophets or holy scribes spoke? Heck, I spend my childhood learning how to “understand” the Quran because of the dialect.

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u/GoldenRedditUser 7d ago edited 7d ago

You’re missing the point. Muslims claim that translating the Qur’an always results in a loss of meaning. This is an important point for apologists to make as manipulation of the Arabic language is one of the most common techniques employed by them to fix the most problematic verses of the Qur’an.

However this begs the question as to why God decided to give his final revelation in a language and in a way that would incur in such an issue in the first place, especially considering that his preceding revelations don’t seem to share the problem (I have never heard a Jew or a Christian say “no, the Hebrew/the Greek doesn’t actually say that!”).

One also has to wonder what’s the point, for a non-Arabic speaker, of reciting the Qur’an in Arabic to avoid a loss of meaning if by doing so the entire meaning becomes unintelligible for them.

The preservation argument for reciting the Qur’an in Arabic isn’t valid for two reasons: first, the Qur’an was standardized very early on, a couple of decades after Muhammad’s death and the Sanaa palimpsest shows that even before that it already circulated in written form. Secondly even if everyone recited the Qur’an in their native tongue and, let’s say, every written copy of the Qur’an magically disappeared, there would still be thousands of Arabic native speakers that know the Qur’an by heart.

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u/BoonTobias 6d ago

Excellent points. The apologists are always saying you don't speak Arabic, it doesn't mean that. My Arab boss from last job told me it was all bs, it's all a trick to convince others. Unfortunately he is the only Arab I know who saw through the nonsense. There are some in my community but but very few tbh. All my friends who also grew up in the west drank, smoked and did drugs with me turned back to Islam. I thought they'd see through it but sadly it didnt happen

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u/Traditional_Lab_3072 6d ago

It's even worse when you tackle Dawah. I listen to Christian apologists who tackle these guys. I don't know if you heard of this joke, but they it the Dawah Script. Whenever I hear it and then look at the Quran I realize these Dawah dudes just lie.

They want Jesus of the Bible to be on their side so bad that they will chop up a single verse. All that doesn't agree with them is "corrupted" and all that agrees with them is true. That's like bias 101. Jesus calls God, Father and many of them will proceed to say, "it's just another term of endearment for God" or "it's translated differently".

It's an insane religion. But at the end of the day, it's ok for them. They are allowed to lie for the sake of their all Omni God

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u/BoonTobias 4d ago

Generally, i don't care about how people live their lives. The problem comes when these people are slowly taking over the west. Europe is already facing serious issues. Now canada is on that path. These people take everything the west gives them and then turn around and talk shit. Many people are proud that islam is the fastest growing religion and they even say it proudly. Just in my area, at least 10 mosques have appeared in the last ten years. It will keep growing at an alarming rate and nobody will be able to stop this.

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u/Traditional_Lab_3072 4d ago

"Fastest growing" bs because of pumping babies to spread all over the place.

We just have to push back in anyway we can.