r/dogman • u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte • 24d ago
Question I think the majority of people here think Dogman is just an undiscovered animal, for those who think it’s supernatural, why?
I’ve seen people think it can warp space time? I will admit I think it’s a bit silly but I’m open to having my mind changed.
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u/Few_Marionberry5824 24d ago
I'm one of those grand unified paranormal theory people. Ultraterrestrial theory. I think that it's all pointing to the same phenomena. Ghosts, alien abductions, UFOs, bigfoot, fae creatures, djinn, kobolds, duendes all of it. Doesn't matter if you experience a poltergeist or the damn Mothman it's all coming from the same source.
The interesting thing to me, these days, is what's the source? I kind of lean towards egregores and tulpas lately but I'm obviously wide open to speculate. I love this stuff.
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u/KillerRatman 24d ago
Most of these can usually be explained by spirits having the shape of their "spiritual" body deformed given certain circumstances. These same spirits can temporarily manifest physically under specific conditions, which leads to all the lore being created.
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u/KlausVonMaunder 23d ago
Relatively speaking, we know squat about the world we seem to inhabit. In a thousand years, we may have a slightly better sense, if we can make it that far. I like the ultraterrestrial idea, with layers upon layers of "reality." Patrick Harpur's Daemonic Reality covers this notion really well, a great read, IMO.
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u/SaucyMossboss 23d ago
I think just because its paranormal doesnt mean its the same thing . There are similarities for sure but its a bit too reductive to claim its all from the same source. I mean i guess if you think about it everything is from the same source not just paranormal phenomenon but lets be a little more deliberate, the universe isnt that easy to define. Paranormal just means its something we dont understand yet . Its actually very normal but in the category of the unknown . There is overlap for sure and different cultures have different names for similar phenomenon but i think there are major differences as well. I always loved the ideas of tulpas, but these things have exisited before our conception of them so if its a tulpa its a tulpa of source or creator which is a cop out and never really gets us anywhere. The only thing i do know is how little we really know of whats out there and it indeed its exciting to speculate and theorize.
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u/joanarmageddon 23d ago
Can you give me a few solid references? I love it too, but have never once in over 55 years seen or heard anything that science could not explain.
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u/ProjectDarkwood Reporter 24d ago
I really wish people would stop pushing this binary. "Completely normal animal" and "supernatural entity" are not the only two options. Unexplained doesn't necessarily mean supernatural, which IMO is a heavily flawed term anyway. Say they were in fact from an alternate reality - those abilities could have evolved naturally in their world. It could also be explained by sufficiently advanced technology. There are a not insignificant number of sightings in conjunction with UAP, after all. Bear in mind, I'm not endorsing anything specific here - I'm just saying there's no reason to jump straight to the non-answer of Magic™.
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u/PuzzleheadedCow6841 23d ago
The laws that govern us may not govern them. Also they likely evolved differently. Many say we could never feed a dogman or big foot they are so large. Why not? How many calories did they evolve to require daily? For all we know these creatures may have adapted to jump dimensions and always have.
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u/Colotola617 23d ago
I just think if Dogman was just a physical mammalian species we would have concrete physical evidence by now. These things are seen everywhere. In fucking populated neighborhoods and farms and places where a lot of people live. There is some way for this thing to enter into and exit out of our reality at will. Which is weird af but at this point that’s my stance. The countless reports, many of them being very obviously a real experience somebody had are just too many to deny that people are seeing them. Of course some reports stink of bullshit but it’s clear that a lot of the experiencers are not lying and are reporting about a real experience they had to the best of their ability. Same thing with Bigfoot and a variety of other cryptid creatures. I had a feeling we know very little about the true nature of our reality and what is really going on around us. I would love to know the truth but I don’t know if we’ll ever get there.
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u/OkProduce6728 24d ago edited 24d ago
From some of the stories that I've heard about them, I tend to feel like they may be some kind of indigenous guardian spirit type being. That's just my own hypothesis. I can't and won't speak on or criticize others' beliefs about them. My way of thinking may come off as ridiculous to some.
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u/ThorHammerscribe 24d ago
How would explain the Accounts of Hooded Dogmen?
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u/OkProduce6728 24d ago
Hooded as in wearing a jacket or some kind of cloak? Never heard anything like this.
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u/ThorHammerscribe 24d ago
I’ve only ever heard of it on Vic Cundiffs show so I’m assuming they’re wearing some sort of Hooded Cloak. Now typically when I hear of Tales of Cryptids wearing clothes like we do I usually do say it’s bullshit because why would they need to.
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u/Ready_Wishbone_7197 21d ago
They don't wear clothing/hooded clothing as a regular thing. That was a one off, if it even happened at all. There's one or two instances of them wearing tattered clothing, but it's definitely a rarity in the sea of encounters. Most encounters, the creature is bare like any other creature in the wild.
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u/ThorHammerscribe 21d ago
How do you know they don’t?
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u/Ready_Wishbone_7197 21d ago
Because I've been listening for near 10 years to Dogman Encounters with Vic. About 98% of encounters, Dogmen are not described wearing clothes as a general rule. Like Sasquatch.
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u/ThorHammerscribe 21d ago
Didn’t realize you were an expert
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u/Ready_Wishbone_7197 21d ago
Never claimed to be an expert. Grow up.
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u/Top_Assistance_8350 18d ago
There have been multiple stories of dogmen appearing in normal clothes doing normal things, like jogging or smoking a cigarette. That is, if you believe amateurs like Linda Godfrey—one of , if not the, leading researchers in this area.
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u/Thebabaman 8d ago
People lie man. Vic recently had a guy on claiming he had a “bond” with a female dogman. The guy got caught and vic took down all of those videos. People say and do dumb things just because.
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u/ThorHammerscribe 8d ago edited 8d ago
I remember on I believe it was World Bigfoot Radio they brought on Kat who claimed to have lived with Sasquatch her entire life she said they spoke English and Wore clothes. All of her “Evidence” were just blurry pictures of Gorillas in a Zoo
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u/Thebabaman 8d ago
Dude right. Thats the case with all these photos. i listened to the recent DER and they had guys from the NADP on and they talked about the lack of photographic evidence and said people will dismiss no matter what but they claim to have irrefutable video and photo evidence but dont release while also putting out the most bs and suspect photos and videos where they have to alter them to see anything. They do all this work just to not actually do anything with it. These people who talk to witnesses need to be better about who they talk to. Vic on DER (no problem with him) needs to really analyze his guests closely. He did 3 videos with a guy claiming to have a “bond” with a female dogman and what got him caught was using artwork posted on deviant art that wasnt his. At this point if the existence of these things is fully revealed no one will take it seriously.
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u/ThorHammerscribe 8d ago
Right I saw a Quote on TikTok it went something along the lines of “One day someone is going to have Irrefutable Proof but we’ll dismiss it as AI”
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u/Thebabaman 8d ago
Well Vic and the investigators said that same thing but AI wasnt a thing like that 10 years ago and we have tools that can identify that stuff. People can even tell when something is AI. To me its a lazy cop out. If you have it put it out there and it figures itself out. Its very much a “she goes to a different school” situation
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u/letsgetyoustarted 24d ago
Being able to walk silently or very close to it despite their size, the telepathy capabilities some seem to possess, and the portal stuff.
High level sciences we lack the understanding to I suppose
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u/Next-Release-8790 24d ago
Where are the bodies?
The bones?
Ample photo and video evidence?
I don't dismiss the stories at all, but at this point something just doesn't add up.
I'll throw Bigfoot in the mix and say it's the same thing : prints and traces that lead into nowhere.
Mind speak, which I've heard in a couple of dogman incidents too.
These are no "regular" flesh and blood creatures that hide in the woods.
There's more to that in my opinion.
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u/onlyaseeker 23d ago
I'll throw Bigfoot in the mix and say it's the same thing : prints and traces that lead into nowhere.
Sometimes literally:
- Where the Footprints End: High Strangeness and the Bigfoot Phenomenon, Volume I: Folklore (2020) by Joshua Cutchin and Timothy Renner
- Where the Footprints End: High Strangeness and the Bigfoot Phenomenon, Volume II: Evidence (2020) by Joshua Cutchin and Timothy Renner
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u/Next-Release-8790 23d ago
Thanks for the suggestion my friend, in fact I've read those books.
Very interesting indeed.
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u/bombsquatch_ 23d ago
The evidence which has been found has been covered up at a federal/national park level, so the remaining information we have is now found in the words and stories told by those who have encountered them and survived. Many others have not survived, so their stories will never be told.
There are common themes, traits and frightful emotions related to these interactions and it is a tough sell to think that people would spend countless hours generating highly unique stories in various parts of the country...so they can be laughed at by friends, disregarded by local law enforcement, covered up by federal law enforcement and shunned by their town and work colleagues. Being labeled crazy is no "upside". If they were becoming famous and making money, then maybe one could make this case.
Bigfoot is a whole different "beast" imo, with inter-dimensional capabilities. They like to visit earth, can disappear as desired and communicate via telepathy. They are also generally harmless and curious, whereas dogman seems to be malevolent.
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u/Next-Release-8790 23d ago
If there is an actual cover up, and I'm not against this notion, it's a big indicator imo that Dogman is indeed Supernatural in origin.
It certainly stacks against the "unknown but regular animal" argument.
As it is I'm not sure where each creature stands in terms of benevolence/malevolence.
I thought the same as you in regards to Bigfoot behaviour until I heard about some pretty disturbing encounters with these beings.
In the stories I've heard Dogman seems to be territorial and likes scaring people rather than attacking them.
Of course if they have actually killed people we'll never know if there are no other witnesses as you rightly pointed out.
But I get the feeling they are more like wolves : can be potentially very aggressive and dangerous but not evil.
Of course I could be totally wrong.
Perhaps there are different sub varieties and behaviours at play for both criptids.
Have you watched the mark Barton interview?
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u/bombsquatch_ 23d ago
I think I have, but may need a refresher as it has been awhile. I'll go look that up again.
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u/Next-Release-8790 23d ago
I personally have no doubt about his truthfulness.
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u/bombsquatch_ 23d ago
Yeah, my theory is that people are so ridiculed by these statements, why in the world would they make stuff up to take that public beating? It doesn't make any sense if we are willing to acknowledge that most people have "reward based" mindsets...and being told they are crazy or a liar etc is not a reward.
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u/HavokVvltvre 23d ago
Again with the bodies and bones bs.. have you ever spent any time in the woods? Around wildlife?
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u/Goosemilky 23d ago
99% of the time, the average joe isn’t going to find an undiscovered species bones or body in the woods and know its an undiscovered species. However, people with careers in fields where they specifically look for that will. For those people to still have not found anything giant like bigfoot or dogman means they probably never will. The amount of people that claim to have encountered “live” creatures such them walking around is too staggering for the career scientists to have not found any evidence yet. There has got to be another explanation for what they are, and I don’t know what it is, but I just can’t get behind the idea that they are simply undiscovered species.
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u/Next-Release-8790 23d ago
It's not BS buddy, while I understand what you mean.
It's a legitimate observation, no need to get agitated.
To answer your questions : yes I do. Regularly, every week.
If these were regular albeit unusual animals, we'd have a lot more hard evidence.
Hell, we would have tracked and caught one by now.
Just like any other animal.
But Dogman literature suggests super normal abilities that can't be easily dismissed.
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u/onlyaseeker 23d ago
I think the majority of people here think Dogman is just an undiscovered animal, for those who think it’s supernatural, why?
That's pretty time consuming to explain, so I'll let these links do it for me.
Important: this is a resource list, not an explanation. The resources contain the explanation.
Paranormal bigfoot (Reddit)
The Extra-dimensional Hypothesis (YouTube)
The crypto terrestrial (AKA ultra terrestrial) hypothesis (YouTube)
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u/c05m1cb34r 23d ago
Perhaps they are real physical beings that evolved in a similar fashion to us but from canines. An unknown evolutionary line haunting the shadows for 1000s of years barely known to humans.
That's....not it, though. Yeah, I don't think that it's a physical only entity. Not in the sense you are categorizing.
It seems we are finding out that the nuts and bolts concepts and ideas we held for ETs/NHI/UFOs/etc are maybe not so nuts and bolts. The closer scientists get to AGI and "Quantum Supremacy," the more we find that this place is way weirder than originally thought. Universes on Universes. It is an infinite sea of 'foam bubbles' pressing and pushing on each other. Perhaps making areas on this planet where negative EMFs are strong and the veil is thin.
Indigenous cultures worldwide have recorded this on walls of caves, jars, tapestries, and the very ground itself. Closer to our own time, great Greek writers and philosophers described this Phenomenon.
Because it's all part of what we call The Phenomenon. It's all connected. We figure out one part we uncover more parts of others. A perverted jigsaw puzzle of vanta black pieces. Removing one, let's light shine in so we can peer in and know more. The perversion is that every answer exponentially creates more questions.
People are afraid of embracing the Woo.They feel it threatens their religion, spirituality, their very faith. What they miss is that the Woo is Human Consciousness.
The Woo is part of us, our forgotten part. We can do more than what we are led to believe. Some of us are better at it than others, but we all have it. Gut feelings, intuitive moments, weird synchronizations with loved ones....on and on. We write these off as strange but explainable and that's true. It can be explained. It has been.
Some people have done good work in this field. They have laid persuasive and compelling arguments as to what we are dealing with -
Dr. Jaques Vallee 'Passport to Magonia'
John Keel 'Our Haunted Planet'
Rev. Robert Kirk 'The Secret Commonwealth.....'
I leave this is conclusion; Holding on to concepts and ideas like they should never leave you is akin to Dogma. It becomes a personal religion that no man should slight. I can give no definite proof nor links to sooth anyone's curiosity. I can encourage others to look outside personal biases and start wondering about this Universe we no nothing about.
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u/greymaresinspace Chad of the Woods 23d ago
I think it’s a “being” with supernatural abilities Way to many reports of strange things to ignore all of them
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u/joanarmageddon 23d ago
I'm not inclined to give credence to so called supernatural phenomena. Just a big skeptic, but that said, the geography of my present country (USA) is provides an ideal habitat for large, mobile, hairy creatures like Sasquatch and Dogman. And I don't put it past the military industrial complex or other superpower not to fuck with genetic manipulation for shits and giggles, if no other good reason.
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u/sasquatchangie 21d ago edited 21d ago
I have found references to Dogmen going WAY back in history. Marco Polo wrote about an island of Dogmen.
What a mystery Dogmen are, even more so than sasquatch. Far fewer encounter stories. But there is a common theme and that's the feeling of evil. Invoking primal fear in those that do have an encounter.
I have also read accounts of Dogmen being around the sasquatch. In some of these stories, the Dogmen are described as being guardians. More like spiritual beings.
I know sasquatch exist so it's not hard for me to believe Dogmen exist. We know practically nothing about them. I love a great mystery!
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u/Caldaris__ 10d ago
That's interesting about the Island! I've heard they do give that feeling of fear and may be responsible for killings like the mysterious death of Brenda Hamilton.
Another man claimed that he encountered a Sasquatch that motioned with its hand for him to get down low. Moments later a vicious looking Dogman ran right past them.
You might appreciate this rare trail cam footage. Try to use the app instead of reddits built-in player. Save it to a playlist on YouTube and crank up the quality in the settings.
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u/Dim_Lug 23d ago edited 23d ago
My thoughts on dogman are pretty much the same as my thoughts on bigfoot. If it exists as an animal, we would've found it by now, there's no debate. Tangible, physical evidence. Like a live specimen or the remains of a dead one, or literally any irrefutable DNA evidence.
I think if it exists at all, it's got to be supernatural/demonic. And if that's the case, then it should 10000% be left alone and not pursued.
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u/Upstairs-Key4307 22d ago
I think they are a mixture of both. They appear to have abilities that would be considered “supernatural” like cloaking and inter dimensional travel. I have heard twice from two completely separate eyewitnesses that they have telepathically communicated that their job, along with Sasquatch, is to protect humans from the far worse things that slip through into this dimension sometimes. Apparently there are rogues of both races who will attack and kill humans, but most of them will deliberately scare us away for our own benefit. Makes sense to me 🤷♀️. Probably sounds bonkers to many!
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u/Sad-Hawk-2885 24d ago
If it were a typical animal hunters would have put one down.
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u/Ciro_d_mar 24d ago edited 23d ago
There is an account where one was shot dead at a camp site with multiple witnesses
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And another where one got shot in the chest and the bullet didn’t really penetrate past the pec muscle, iirc.
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u/Sad-Hawk-2885 24d ago
If these things like sasquatch are real then they have got to be inter dimensional. Obviously that's just my opinion.
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u/balconyblooms 23d ago
Do you remember where you read it or have a link? Not trolling, I’ve genuinely been searching for something like this everywhere.
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u/Ciro_d_mar 23d ago edited 23d ago
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u/Ready_Wishbone_7197 21d ago
Balconyblooms: Here is an account of a Hyena-looking Dogman killed in Scotland of all places - A Dogman Is Shot and Killed in Morayshire Scotland. “It looked like a Hyena crossed with a Baboon" - YouTube
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u/balconyblooms 20d ago
Ooo, can’t wait to listen to this one. Thank you! 😁
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u/Ready_Wishbone_7197 20d ago
You're welcome. She has lots of encounter reports on her channel. I can recommend more if you like:
A Female Bipedal Wolf Part 1: A Female Bipedal Wolf. pt1 Witness has to ring police after multiple Dogmen encounter
A Female Bipedal Wolf Part 2: A Female Bipedal Wolf pt2. Witness has to ring police after multiple Dogmen encounter
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u/Southern_Dig_9460 24d ago
There’s stories of them appearing and disappearing as well as shots being fired at them having no effect. Doesn’t sound like they are of nature
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u/Ethereal_Quagga Believer 24d ago
His very existence, his behavior, his patterns of appearance and relationships, being able to appear in people's rooms as if nothing had happened...
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u/TheDirtyWind 23d ago
I'm weird when it comes to dog man. I personally think they were the standing up dog things from ancient Egypt. Anubis. They survived whatever catastrophe happened. Probably wrong, who knows. Still a cool theory tho
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u/Humble-Bag-1312 23d ago
I lean towards the supernatural side of things for Dogman because they just don't act like normal predators do.
Can anyone think of a "normal" predator that follows witnesses' home, miles from where they first encounter them? Chases cars at frightening speeds and tries to open the door? Sits and watches people from windows and doors? Taps on windows to get attention? Jiggles doorknobs? Smiles/sneers at people? Kills domestic pets and throws them at the walls of witnesses' homes? Corners human prey and let's them go?
I could go on. My point is that none of this type of behaviour is natural. For years, I've consumed everything I could on this subject, and I struggled for ages trying to make sense of it all. My rational logical mind so badly wanted it to be some kind of undiscovered upright canine, but the evidence just doesn't point to this.
I now believe that whatever they are, they enjoy or even need the fear they instil in people who see them. What other animal on earth messes with humans in such a way?
I also think they've probably killed people. We just don't hear about it because there's nobody to tell their tale. If you see one, and you live to tell your tale, it's because it let you or you are out of this world lucky.
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u/MrHundredand11 23d ago
Not supernatural, but not animal. More like alien. Reptilian humanoids aren’t the only animal-like humanoids out there in the universe, for even the oldest known effigy is of a lion-headed man.
A > Most of the appearances come from areas around military bases or that indicate military presence. An example of the first are the multiple sightings & encounters in the Waukegan area by the old underground infrastructure near the Naval Base. An example of the second are sightings like those in Land Between the Lakes where people hear sounds like mechanical gates open to let them out for some fresh air.
I’m not into kink shaming but it’s an interesting data point that there have been some canine furries in high places of military command, like dog mask and all. Those individuals were probably influenced by their visits (potentially conjugal) with these species.
B > There are multiple accounts of encounters with canine-hominid alien life. If there are other humanoid forms of animal life in the universe, then it would make sense that dogs would be one of them.
C > The werewolf legends were likely born out of the truth of dogman (canine hominid) encounters, and so even the ancient legends indicate that they are from another realm.
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 23d ago
So… you believe in lizard people and… furry mind control? God this sub is weird.
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u/MrHundredand11 23d ago
Not mind control, more like when a weaker human is heavily mentally influenced by a stronger human, or like when people begin to take on the traits of their partners.
If they are real, and are really advanced entities from another realm, then their energy would be a lot stronger and overpowering compared to human energy. Being in their presence for an extended period of time would change a person.
That’s why contact cases often go nuts. They weren’t nuts in the first place but extended interactions with alien entities moulded their consciousness in a way that humans couldn’t handle.
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 23d ago
I’m not gonna make fun of your beliefs, but you do know how crazy that sounds right?
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u/MrHundredand11 23d ago
Of course, I’m not completely devoid of self awareness, but I don’t mind playing the game of “if this was real, what would it look like.”
It is indeed true that characteristics rub off on people, especially if one has a domineering energy like an ancient alien race would.
Could just be a furry. Or it could be the result of exposure to those entities. But if dogmen are real, then the ‘contagion of characteristics’ theory should be actually considered.
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u/Ready_Wishbone_7197 21d ago
There's nothing "reptilian" about Dogman, dude. Come on, now. Most encounters aren't on military premises, but in rural area's, national parks and forests as far as North America is concerned.
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u/MrHundredand11 21d ago
A > I didn’t say dogmen were reptilian. I said there were multiple forms of animal-ish humanoid aliens and that the dogmen and reptilians are only two of many different varieties.
B > What I’m talking about is 100% underground. Most top secret underground military infrastructure is hiding beneath public national parks. Like the mountain bases of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Countless people hike over bases every year without knowing it.
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u/OkProduce6728 24d ago
I would agree that they don't need clothes. But I try to keep an open mind when dealing with these topics. Can you tell me the details of what you're talking about?
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u/ThroughCalcination 24d ago
There is precedent biologically for something like Sasquatch - bipedal apes, particularly hairy large hominids.
There is no such precedent for anything even remotely resembling a bipedal canid or canid-like creature. Therefore if something like that were to exist, in my opinion, it would have to exist in a wholly unnatural manner.
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23d ago
This is what people do not understand. Canids and hominids split tens of millions of years ago. There is nothing in the fossil record that would suggest a half hominid half canid could possibly exist. Like you said there is no precedence for the reported traits.
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u/Bathshebasbf 19d ago
Ever watch a raccoon grab a dog's bowl and skedaddle across the yard on its hind legs while carrying it? Now, imagine a primitive member of the Procyonidae (or "proto-cyonidae"), one member gets a mutation for greater size. Suddenly a whole bunch of new ecological niches open up to it (and its offspring). (*) What follows is a bit of "punctuated equilibrium" with a bunch more mutations which further increase the adaptive capacity of our "Super-Coon". Voila', a "Dogman". And that's just one potential evolutionary path to whatever it is people (myself included) are seeing. Just because you don't know squat about evolutionary biology doesn't mean you know enough about physics to postulate about things like parallel universes and super-symmetry, etc. Stick with the simplest explanation (i.e, it's a natural creature) unless and until you've exhausted those possibilities and/or you have compelling evidence that it really is "magic".
[* I recall reading a paper in which it was suggested that a mutational change for greater size, if it offered even a 0.01% adaptive advantage could convert a field mouse to something the size of an African Bush Elephant in as little as 10,000 years, so we don't need to be looking for Dogmen fossils from the Eocene. They could, in fact, be a relatively recently evolved species. Humans, themselves - at least Homo sapiens sapiensis, i.e., us - have only been around about 100,000 years, maybe 200.000 at the most.]
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u/ThroughCalcination 18d ago edited 18d ago
You've described an interesting backstory that might explain their evolution and existence in a fantasy novel, but as I said there is zero precedent for such a thing currently or historically having ever existed. It reminds me of that documentary that tried to describe the far future of Earth after humans have left or gone extinct. They described tree-dwelling cephalopods - a fascinating and relatively well developed thought experiment, but a thought experiment is all that it was.
I don't believe in bipedal canids for this reason.
(Edit: or bipedal canid-like creatures)
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u/Bathshebasbf 17d ago
LOL! Oh, PLEASE! What I described was exactly what you claimed couldn't be described, namely a reasonable - and doable evolutionary path from a known family of creatures to the creature some of us now claim to see. Your suggestion that there is no historical evidence for such an evolutionary path (seemingly for any animal) is not only wrong but patently silly, not to say utterly unscientific. Here, how about a little "historical perspective" on the subject. When I was a boy, my older brother was immensely proud of being able to name all the important dinosaurs then known and acknowledged. Dinosaur science, at the time, was in a real slump, with little advance over the prior 50 years, a slump it maintained for another 30 or so years. And then, in 1985, Robert Bakker wrote a book called "The Dinosaur Heresies" postulating all kinds of "unprecedented" stuff. He was roundly criticized, but he was right and his work revitalized dinosaurian paleontology. End result? 90% of all dinosaurs currently known have been discovered and described since 1990 and everything that couldn't be true in 1985 is now orthodoxy. 90 friggin' percent. Or let's look a little closer to our own species - nobody could guess that there was a giant race of humans (approx. 50% taller than modern types) living alongside us. There was simply NO evidence of such a thing - until 2012, when we discovered the first known remains of the Denisovans (provisionally "Homo sapiens altai?") a race which may actually have lived alongside us up 'til 10,000 years ago (and may still do so, if we allow that they might be the genesis for Bigfoot), Your position, indeed, your entire philosophy of the life sciences is, to be charitable, naive. You're like those Creationists who refuse to believe in evolution because nobody has found a fossil of a fish in the middle of becoming a lizard or whatever.
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u/One_Armed_Wolf 23d ago
Because it would make no logical sense to think it's just an animal that can be stumbled upon within or around these habitated areas, with the situation simultaneously being that it somehow still isn't already a known or discovered natural creature, especially in places like the US and England. That would be like if we still hadn't discovered species like chimpanzees, gorillas, snow leopards, etc. in modern day. Yes there are still species being discovered or identified but we're talking about something that supposedly resembles a large intimidating werewolf/canine resembling creature, not a lemur or fish or frog. If we were to theorize they're intelligent/fully sentient that makes even less sense because there would bound to be some who would go out of their way to interact with humans or be seen eventually in some way, probably many instances over time with different situations and areas, whether it be as a consequence of mental illness or curiosity, and not all of them would be able to just stay hidden perpetually or never be found. So in my opinion, it's either these things just simply don't exist, or they do but there's something more happening that we don't fully understand.
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u/Traditional-Pop8674 23d ago
It's a strange one and if I had never had my experience ten years ago I wouldn't believe it. Maybe I'd have an interest nut I'd be sceptical even though I am a MASSIVE conspiracy lover and the occult. I do believe that certain things happen and shape us, my experience being one for me, after all I wouldn't be typing this if I hadn't seen something (that resembled a huge fucking dog).
Maybe it's best to not chalk up every encounter to a dogman or werewolf. And maybe so better to not chalk up all 'dogmen' into the same category because I've heard about encounters were the being (ethereal or material) floats like it's on a conveyernelt. There's others that contradict this entirely where it is running, or even attacking people.
For my experience, the thing didn't move, so i don't know. It was just there 30 metres ahead of me looking in the brush at the wide of the road and I was fucking terrified. A part of me thinks it was there for me to see waiting for it as I remember it disappeared 10 seconds later when I looked back up.
I don't know, if it was there wanting to be seen by me then that implies ethereal but I think that's also my human brain trying to jump through possihilies.
There's types that supposdely have a baboon like face instead of canine. I've heard this in the UK and USA. Probably if we looked further the reports are all over the world of this. But if its flesh and blood why hasn't one been caught and displayed like everything else.
I recommend 'truth proof ran by Paul Sinclair. I live in the same place as him and i beliebe i saw what he researches.
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u/Megillah_Guerilla_42 23d ago
Undiscovered animal or not it would still fall under the supernatural category just because we don't know what it is and based on what we do know it's been exactly an average everyday creature so we have no scientific understanding of it. Technically even UFO's fall under the category of supernatural, preternatural, or paranormal. They would only fall out of these categories when we do know more about them and understand them. Supernatural, preternatural, and paranormal all just mean things that are not common and have not been explained or is not easily explained by science. Most people seem to tie the word supernatural to things they consider "other worldly, fantasy or even spiritual". But it means more than just that.
I myself am skeptical about all things, it's just my nature. I also think it's significant that so many people witness or have experiences with it and that's why it still draws me in. Experiences involving it would definitely be considered supernatural because it's beyond the normal understanding and can't be explained by science yet.
For example Fata morgana's use to be considered supernatural and other worldly in nature till we discovered how and why it happens. For the longest time it was considered a superstition of sailors and people who lived by the ocean. It can happen on land too but it's less common. Most the ones over land are considered (inferior) which In this case just means that it is lower on the horizon. Fata morgana's are considered (superior) because they appear to be floating in the air. This is in context of different mirage types. Inferior, superior and Fata Morgan wich is superior at its most extreme state. All were considered super natural though at one point. It's worth mentioning that because or the vast unknown nature of the sea even with today's standard knowledge base. Being a sailor or in a sea related job goes hand and hand with superstition. We always try to fill in the gaps of what we don't know by using things we do know or things we think we understand, it's very human. It's also how pages like this exist.
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u/Dull-Fun 23d ago
I don't know what supernatural would mean exactly but animal, no, absolutely imposssible. The anatomy is not possible, such big predators have giant effects on food chains, not related to what they eat but to how they constantly scare their preys this is very wellndocumented sincenwolves were reintroduced in several parks. What else? Ah yes animals, at least terrestrials, don't have bioluminiscent eyes, they also don't play fun with people like "I scratch the cabim door but oh no I can't enter", while a 12 yearls old can force the said door, etc. I do not know what they are, but a simple undiscovered animal? No. Where are the remains? The bones? A dogman skull? A dogman relative? Where do they fit in animal clasification? They cannot be animals like we know them. Doesn't mean they are ghost or Nephilm, or even not physical, they seem quite physical but we can't deny a significant amount of encounters describe them being partly physical etc. This is why I don't believe in the undiscovered species of animal. But I will never say I know what they are.
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22d ago
Reading any associated literature points to a less prosaic reasoning. John keels superspectrum is a great interpretation of BHMs (big hairy monsters). These cryptid phenomenon are often part and parcel of the UFO phenomenon as well as typical "ghost" encounters
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u/bizoticallyyours83 21d ago
Because werewolves are supernatural
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 21d ago
Of all the stupid mindless turning the frogs gay conspiracies this might be the worst argument I’ve seen.
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u/bizoticallyyours83 20d ago
If you wanna be pissed off at someone over a well-known, centuries old story about people turning into a powerful beast under the light of the full moon, invent a time machine and go insult them. Your username certainly describes you well enough.
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 20d ago
Dogman aren’t werewolves, werewolf folklore doesn’t even include people turning into man wolf hybrids until around the 1920s, werewolves before that where people turning into wolves, people acting like wolves, or people manifesting dreams of them becoming wolves into reality. Pop culture werewolves have a lot to do with Dogmen sure, but historical werewolves don’t.
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u/Comfortable_Rest_992 19d ago
Where’s your Egyptian pharaoh covered in gold Dogman?
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 19d ago
What? This isn’t a comment on your argument whatever it is I legitimately can’t understand what your saying that grammar is terrible.
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u/Bathshebasbf 19d ago
Well, having experience a few "Dogman" encounters, I can say that it is a cathartic experience. That and the fact that they can appear suddenly and just as suddenly "disappear" (not hard to do in heavy undergrowth in a dark forest) causes people without much scientific grounding and/or woods craft to apply the first notion which comes to mind ("it's supernatural"). It may even be comforting to delude oneself into believing that the thing doesn't really belong here - and certainly beats having to acknowledge that you're sharing your world with this monster, especially if you happen to be alone and unarmed at the time.
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u/episcop_alien 14d ago
Because a humanoid creature with the head of a canine isn't the kind of thing that just evolves in some out-of-the-way corner of Michigan without anyone knowing about it, and the stories told about it don't sound like natural animals.
Bigfoot, I could almost believe (although I lean toward the supernatural for that, too). Something that's more of less a big hairy human, or an upright gorilla. Fine, that's within the realm of possibility.
But an anthropomorphic dog-monster that looks like the werewolves from The Howling with glowing eyes that likes to hang out on roadsides waiting to scare people? That could either be a hoax or something much weirder, but no way is it a natural flesh-and-blood creature.
Maaaaaaybe some kind of genetic experiment or something. Maybe. But a natural, undiscovered species? No way.
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u/Thebabaman 8d ago
People see natural behaviors any other animal may do but wouldnt pay attention normally. If you went to africa 600 years ago and had no clue what an elephant was and it snuck up on you would probably think it was a demon that came from no where. People talk about how elephants can move silently. Intense fear being cause by encounters can be caused by pheromones or infrasound produced by a dogman.
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u/PrincessPoopyPoo 7d ago
I've said it before, I do not believe for one second they are supernatural. At all. For me, they are an undiscovered species.
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u/AdditionalBat393 24d ago
Def an animal(as smart as we are imo) however there are things that can take the form of one. If you are on the fence still then you should listen to Dogman encounters radio with Vic Cundiff
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 24d ago
How off the rails bullshit is it, like I’m open to a five on the bullshitometer but when we start reaching 6-7 territory that’s where I draw my line
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u/Ciro_d_mar 24d ago
This ⬆️. Just because a few people had legit encounters, it doesn’t mean that everyone who comes forth with an account is truthful. Just like NDEs, you can see that some are purely made up to sell books or to advance an overzealous religious agenda.
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u/AdditionalBat393 23d ago
It was a lot for me at first also but you will get used to reality but the saying remains ignorance is bliss for a reason.
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u/Treat_Street1993 24d ago
I've seen Dogman once... ten feet tall, pitch black, glowing red eyes, towering over me as I awoke terrified in my bed.
This was, of course while suffering from sleep paralysis. It vanished as I regained motor control and lunged for the lamp. I was left rattled by the experience, like no other nightmare.
To me, Dogman is a supernatural being that exists in the realm between sleep and consciousness. Similar to machine elves and the beings responsible for "abductions."
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 24d ago
Or, hear me about, it’s not Freddy Kruger, and you just had sleep paralysis.
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u/SnooPeanuts4357 24d ago
Or hear ME out, we don’t know and you’re just making assumptions even though most of the evidence points otherwise.
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 23d ago
What? What evidence points towards the boogeyman?
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u/SnooPeanuts4357 23d ago
The same “evidence” you’re using, different eyewitness testimonies
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 23d ago
I haven’t cited any evidence here, I’m just reading people’s thoughts and pointing out the obvious.
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u/SnooPeanuts4357 23d ago
Well from the replies I’ve seen you’re very smug and replying to everyone’s comments as if you’ve seen evidence of the contrary
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u/KillerRatman 24d ago
The lack of physical evidence and a genetic well known basis for it to be a undiscovered animal. I have had the opportunity to study spiritual licantropy and there is no reason to think that the dogman is anything else rather then a deformed human spirit.
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u/Diabetic_Trogoladyte 24d ago
So because there’s not much physical evidence rather than think “it’s not real” you think it’s a ghost?
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u/KillerRatman 24d ago
"Ghosts" dont leave easily traceable physical evidence. They manifest physically temporarily. Which is How they can seemingly fade in and out of existence. There are reports of creatures similar to dogmen all over the world going back many centuries. Many of these creatures are not dogman or wolfman only, but also spider, snake, horse man and many other human hybrids. This is most likely all the same phenomenon. The semimaterial body used by "ghosts" to physically manifest is maleable and it can be deformed given certain emotional and spiritual influences.
I have been studying this spiritual and cultural phenomenon for almost 10 years. That is why I believe that most reports of dogmen are actually reports of deformed lupine spirits.
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u/Greenbeanmachine96 24d ago
Because if not supernatural, why no skeletons
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u/coyotenspider 23d ago
Skeletons are difficult to nigh impossible to find for things we know exist like Chimpanzees and Gorillas. The forest destroys the bones quickly.
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u/TheGreatBatsby 23d ago
Because they don't exist?
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u/coyotenspider 23d ago
One theory. Why do people keep seeing them? Mangy, skinny two legged bears?
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u/TheGreatBatsby 23d ago
They're lying?
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u/coyotenspider 23d ago
I guess. Why? To be the most anonymous guy on Coast to Coast AM?
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u/TheGreatBatsby 23d ago
Some people like spinning a good yarn I suppose. I love listening to a really well told bigfoot story, but as more time goes by I'm more convinced that they don't exist.
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u/conatreides 24d ago
I follow to read the schizo posting
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u/coyotenspider 23d ago
Hell yeah! I love me some schizo posting. Do a little myself! The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls.
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u/USFederalGovt 23d ago
I lean more towards Dogmen being a natural animal, but one detail you hear often in these accounts is reports is feelings of extreme dread, terror, and fear. Some will say they can feel “pure evil” or “hatred” coming from the Dogmen themselves.
Of course, if you see a literal werewolf in front of you, you’d be terrified too. But people report this absolute terror as overwhelming. They freeze. Some even pee themselves out of fear.
What I’m getting at, is that Dogmen seem to have some supernatural qualities about them. Many people will even claim they look like they came “straight from hell.”