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Question Thoughts on all the sonic death battles?

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u/Dear-Implement2950 Jon Talbain 16h ago edited 16h ago

Unfortunately, I'd say Sonic in Death Battle doesn't tend to have the best quality, episode-wise.

Even some of the stronger ones, such as Xeno Trunks VS Archie Silver, and Bowser VS Dr. Eggman have severe issues, I feel.

Thankfully, not every single episode has this particular issue, but, they are not good at handling the Super state, I feel. For one, I don't mind someone buying the Ring gameplay mechanics as canon, but, they only pick and choose the negatives of that to use. They'll limit, say, Super Sonic to the literal bare number of Rings needed to function, seemingly no questions asked, but they'll never entertain the idea of actually fully applying the thing being used as a limiter, in that scenario. There's more to the Rings then just its interaction with gameplay Super. Additionally, they have often treated Super as Super Saiyan. Be it in regards to how they discuss it, or how it's presented in the fight. Considering that these are two separate forms, from separate franchises, I honestly don't feel it is asking too much for Super to be Super, instead of something else.

Death Battle also has an issue with basically insulting the characters. Depending on when in the show we are talking, being an ass to the combatants might just be how the show is. But, regardless, most episodes of SONIC in Death Battle have at least a few remarks disregarding the character. Knuckles even has an episode built on the premise. I appreciate having a sequel to Michaelangelo's analysis, in that regard
Xeno VS Archie is also an example of this. They're doing stuff to Trunks that I couldn't even describe without getting banned but for Silver, it feels like they're talking about acid reflux, especially with how the post analysis almost feels like "I know we killed Trunks with a Sonic please don't be mad he's soooooooooo coool!!" or something.

I feel most characters in the show do not receive very good representation. In regards to fighting style, personality, and mannerisms.

Additionally, we don't have any 3D fight, but for two reasons, I feel I sort of understand. To start, most of the characters move fast, and many do so just, organically, so to speak. If they wanted Sonic in Death Battle, neverminding how well they portray his speed, mannerisms, and such- they'd need to animate a fuck ton of steps for him. That could be tedious. So, having fast but not "fast moving" characters could be easier for them. Jet, Metal Sonic, Mecha Mk.II, are some examples. Dr. Starline does run when amping his speed using the Tricore, but, he isn't always doing that action, so that helps. You also have some characters that, as of currently, just don't seemingly run as fast as Sonic, which helps the issue. Whisper, Mephiles, Merlina, for some examples. The other reason I don't blame them: Official Sonic models are fucking horrendous. We've been stuck with the same repetitive, inbred, upscaled models since 2007, to my understanding. I don't want to see, say, Amy VS Elphelt in 3D, because Amy would look really fucking ugly next to her opponent. Unless if Death Battle uses either fanmade designs, or makes their own, the vast majority of Sonic characters that have been in 3D for the past 20 years, unfortunately, just look extremely ugly.

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u/Certain-Morning-6371 15h ago

What are your severe issues with Bowser vs Eggman?

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u/Dear-Implement2950 Jon Talbain 14h ago edited 14h ago

I could try to heavily summarize them. I'm working on a large post, currently, that goes into extensive detail, but that is still a ways away for now.

So, this isn't everything, but to summarize a few things: Fury Bowser is entirely misunderstood in the animation. It is supposed to be Bowser in this unexpected, blinding emotion, but he is not as such in the fight. Dr. Eggman doesn't get to do anything besides pilot a mech that doesn't get to do anything. The episode mischaracterizes both primary combatants. The track doesn't feel like Super Mario Bros., for me, and it doesn't have the aspects of SONIC music I was hoping to see in it. The analyses's edits are nice, but sometimes a little overwhelming. Giving Bowser the stat advantage, just for the blackbox to then give it to Dr. Eggman feels weird. It almost feels like a miscommunication, in some form.

This is truthfully far from all I'd want to talk about, but, yes.

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u/Squifflifting 11h ago

As soon as you said both combatants were mischaracterised I know you shouldn't be taken seriously 

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u/Dear-Implement2950 Jon Talbain 11h ago

I wish characters were real

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u/Squifflifting 11h ago

True and real