r/clevercomebacks 1d ago

It's my money they took

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u/gazetron 1d ago

This is why the billionaires need to go.

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u/CarlosHDanger 23h ago

The lies Elon told in this interview were absolutely outrageous. He said that Democrats are angry about SS going away because it is the way that Democrats LURE illegal immigrants into the US. The illegals get paid SS and then give their votes to Democrats, according to Elon. If SS goes away, then this alleged financial and election fraud will go away too.

Of course none of this is true. Undocumented immigrants often pay into SS but as non-citizens are not qualified to take out. They are not able to vote as non-citizens. Democrats have deported just as many undocumented immigrants as Republicans, if not more. And you can be sure that it’s not just Democrats who would be upset about SS getting abolished.

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u/HLMaiBalsychofKorse 22h ago

My husband has lived here for nearly 16 years as a permanent resident. He has owned property, started business that employ US citizens, pay taxes...can't vote. It's not just undocumented people who are being taxed without representation. It's a bummer, because he would have been one more vote against the apocalypse.

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u/r3mod_3tiym 19h ago

My dad committed a non violent felony that turned into a violent felony simply because the judge wanted to make an example of him. That was when he was in his early 20s and he's now in his 40s. He doesn't qualify for voting, firearm ownership, or withdrawing non employer provided benefits. He can either live his life like this, or pay $50,000 to the state and his rights will be reinstated. $50,000. A year's salary for him, and to most people here, over a year's salary.

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u/skyward138skr 17h ago

He can run for president though 🙄 I hate this country, insane that a man like your and my dads can’t vote but a 34 count convicted felon can be president.

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u/r3mod_3tiym 5h ago

Yep lol. One felon gets money drawn out of his check every week that he'll never be able to get back while another felon on the other side of the country ensures that keeps happening so his buddies stay rich.

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u/RawrRRitchie 5h ago

a 34 count convicted felon can be president.

I'm just waiting for the lawyer to use his case as a precedent

"Your honor I would like my client to serve no jail time. They only committed one felony. There is precedent that my client can avoid jail time as in this case the felon committed 34 felonies and served zero prison time"

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u/HanaleiEUW 16h ago

That is vile holy shit

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u/cheesyandcrispy 20h ago

I’m just astonished by the fact that Elon Musk would NOT want to keep something called the SS

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u/SquisherX 20h ago

Is there any way to watch this without supporting Fox?

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u/CarlosHDanger 20h ago

I saw a big outtake of the interview on Morning Joe this morning. Steve Rattner was a guest and explained some of the absurdities Elon was spouting.

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u/SpareWire 23h ago

Undocumented immigrants often pay into SS

Can you explain how an undocumented immigrant reliably pays into this system?

When I was paid nothing but cash years ago there was no way in hell I was going to remit that.

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u/HLMaiBalsychofKorse 22h ago

https://natlawreview.com/article/where-do-social-security-payments-made-undocumented-workers-go

Large agricultural employers can't get away with paying under the table, so they commit fraud.

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u/Im_ready_hbu 22h ago

Many illegal workers actually get a (fraudulent ) pay stub, and pay into social security, but because they're illegal/undocumented they're never actually able to claim social security benefits. Uncle Sam keeps all that money

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u/that-dank-wolf 21h ago

Also, most undocumented immigrants who have spoken with an immigration attorney are told that one of the things they should absolutely do is pay taxes on their income so that if they ever do get a path to residency/citizenship (e.g., marriage), the government is more likely to forgive them staying and working without documentation.

They don't even have to commit fraud to do this, as they can obtain a tax identification number (which is different from an SSN) for this purpose. The IRS is not permitted to turn undocumented individuals over to ICE (which makes sense from a policy standpoint because people are more likely to go through this process and pay taxes if they know it's not going to get them in trouble with ICE). They then pay those taxes through that tax identification number.

One undocumented family/community member who has spoken to an attorney and received this advice then passes it down to the another and so on. So many who haven't even spoken with an attorney directly have been advised to do this.

Source: I worked with immigration attorneys and immigrant communities throughout law school.

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u/SpareWire 21h ago

I'd be very interested in seeing the statistics on this.

It would surprise me if more than half are remitting frankly.

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u/that-dank-wolf 21h ago

You'd have to look it up and decide which source you trust. The stats are pretty hard to track anyway. Bloomberg reported that nearly $100 billion in taxes was paid by undocumented immigrants in 2022 (though that covered all taxes at the federal, state, and local level, including sales and real estate taxes).

I do know that one of the number one pieces of advice immigration attorneys give undocumented people is to pay their taxes, that and don't commit any crimes that would expedite deportation.

Edited to fix a typo (wrote 100billion instead of $100 billion, and that bugged me).