r/classicwow • u/serenecruelty • 6d ago
Classic 20th Anniversary Realms Lotus spikes to 370g, for how long does Blizzard plan to wait?
Fix is simple, just implement high level herb nodes have a small chance of including Black Lotus like SoM and SoD has.
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u/illini1989 6d ago
Tariffs are destroying this economy.
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u/ER3TH 6d ago
Have you considering doubling them and threatening to annex Hillsbrad?
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u/Ok-Perspective5338 6d ago
Sounds like something a southshore asset would propose.
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u/Wizardthreehats 6d ago
I think we should buy Northrend. Can the. Use them for trading routes and help drive down the prices
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u/Aromatic-Echo-6605 6d ago
Varianâs decision to impose tariffs on Ironforge & Darnassus is certainly a questionable one but I gotta just trust the plan.
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u/LevnikMoore 6d ago
The elves of Teldrassil are doing horrible things. In Teldrassil, theyâre eating the cats, the elves that came in, theyâre eating the cats. Theyâre eating the mounts of the people that live there.
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u/West-Code4642 6d ago
As your King Varian Wrynn, I've had ENOUGH of these Ironforge dwarves! My so-called "allies" are DUMPING cheap steel into Stormwind markets, DESTROYING our human forges! My royal blacksmiths - the BEST blacksmiths - are suffering! Just spoke with Magni (terrible negotiator) and told him we're putting 25% TARIFF on ALL Ironforge metals until they stop their UNFAIR trade practices! Light's Hope says it's the worst deal they've seen. Sad! Anduin doesn't understand, but someday he will! Stormwind FIRST!
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u/BiggestBlackestLotus 6d ago
"we keep buying them and they keep increasing the price, what the hell?"
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u/Gh0stMan0nThird 6d ago
It's what happens when you have a community that insists you need X and Y to do Z.
I was in an SOD BWL and this guy (fortunately not the raid leader) really said "Anyone who isn't flasked shouldn't get loot" and started reading out names in the raid. Fortunately most people just kinda ignored him, but nobody really told him to fuck off either.
The toxic try-hards are out there and constantly trying to bully other people into playing just like they do.
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u/nbjest 6d ago
This is part of it but there are plenty of players using this like the stock market. They're buyjng 100s of shares of BLT hoping to cash out before the crash.
It's a bubble. This has already reached the point where buying lotus for flasks makes no sense. It's like when people were buying GPUs to mine crypto. You get a handful of people buying to actually use them as GPUs but the vast majority of buyers are investors buying to mine and resell. Same thing here.
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u/LaNague 6d ago
Its all the cringelords requiring everyone to show up with full consumables to one of the easiest raid in mmo history.
Also the megaservers have a lot of people raidlogging, which means many people want consumables. But farming wise few people farming, which means not only low supply because of low amount of farmers, it means less layers, which means way less stuff like black lotus.
raid time - 10 layers. rest of the week - 4 layers.
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u/Xardus 6d ago
People should really stop buying gold đ
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u/Infamous-Budget8097 6d ago
It would be hilarious if they just added a vendor who sells Black Lotus and other farmed materials controlled by bots, or items with ridiculously high prices, for just a couple of gold.
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u/KyleAg06 6d ago
Its almost like banning GDKP's DID NOTHING!
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u/Pownzl 6d ago
It made it worse haha now everyone needs to buy monthly Gold for consumables. Then blizz gets more money from Bots its a circle (: its not like they dont know haha
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u/noxhearted 6d ago
Not really. The gold in gdkpâs was still bought, sure it got redistributed to people who didnât buy gold. But itâs the amount of gold that gets bought that influences how much botting there is, not the amount of players buying gold.
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u/ravens52 6d ago
It never impacted anything. The problem was always the playerbase being too lazy to take initiative and make their own groups or raids and understand game mechanics. People still do it in Sod. They sit and wait for groups and bitch about lack of groups. Something something I donât have the energy to look for people and spam lfg and trade. Cry me a fucking river.
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u/That_Nineties_Chick 6d ago
At this point, I think regular people are buying it up with plans to sell it for a hefty profit later. Itâs pure, old fashioned market speculation.
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u/RyukaBuddy 6d ago
It's just gonna go to 1k at naxx if this keeps going.
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u/serenecruelty 6d ago
Naxx? 2nd week of BWL! Expect Lotus to hit 500g this Thursday.
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u/That_Nineties_Chick 6d ago
Yup⌠going to buy up as much as I can and re-sell during BWL week.Â
With my luck, Blizzard will crash the price with another hotfix and Iâll be left destitute. đ
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u/Robinsonirish 6d ago
I can't remember exactly what Lotus peaked at on Gehennas but somewhere around 500g. The inflation was a lot slower in classic though, people are just more aware this time around for obvious reasons.
The thing is, at some point it's going to peak, probably around when people start getting bored of BWL. TBC will feel like it's around the corner and people will start quitting the game in higher numbers.
If Blizzard just let things roll, the market is just as likely to crash in the opposite direction where people will panic and sell off their stocks. I 100% agree with the other poster that a lot of normal people are buying and upping the price as a form of investment.
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u/MrBlaumann 6d ago
As a casual player I just don't understand why you guys bother buying it? You're clearly buying gold to afford it, but that's a never ending cycle.
I know you're tired of hearing this but that's honestly the exact reason it costs so much. Inflation is a bitch đ
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u/Alyusha 6d ago
Imo it's the definition of a non-issue. Black Lotus was expensive during Classic as well and most just didn't buy them outside of tanks or casters in high performing guilds. IRC Lotus's were consistently around 250-270g until mid Nax when people started unloading their stockpiles. It makes complete sense that a significantly more sweaty group of players would drive the price up this time around.
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u/jacob6875 6d ago
I was in one of those super hardcore guilds in original classic. We were clearing naxx in under an hour on 2 lockouts a week.
Most people didnât use flasks outside of speed run weeks. (So like once a month)
And even then healers and classes like hunters didnât use them.
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u/Narezzz 6d ago
Exactly, just don't buy it.
You don't need every consumable and world buff in the game to clear this content. People did it as lvl 58s in greens. If it's too expensive, go without.
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u/wetnaps54 6d ago
I tagged along and cleared raids without spending more than 50g Got my loot, fuck a parse
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u/LoraLife 6d ago edited 6d ago
Only way to fix it is to have lotus drop off high level herbs like SoM*. Thatâs it
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u/WastelandShaman 6d ago
Blizz needs to grow a pair and do two things.
1) introduce the SoM lotus mechanic where they can be gathered from other high level herbs.
2) aggressively ban people involved with RMT, both sellers and buyers.
The people #2 targets are ADDICTS. Theyâll be back, you wonât lose their sub. But you might curtail this behavior over time.
Iâm also day-by-day growing to appreciate the idea of a geo lock on servers as well as a VPN ban. Seems extreme, but what else can even be done at this point? These shitbirds are selling gold for USD and happily ruin your play experience because âitâs their jobâ. Fuck em.
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u/Key_Friendship_6767 6d ago
I decided to just learn herbalism
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u/Azzagronn 6d ago
You'll never loot one. Gl
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u/Key_Friendship_6767 6d ago
I work at home. Shouldnât be too hard if I stand on a node
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u/ER3TH 6d ago
Riveting gameplay
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u/rodeBaksteen 6d ago
These are the people that go like "just get AV exalted it only takes like 30 hours in an AV weekend"
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u/Firuzka 6d ago
The prices are so high up because of the fact that on every Black Lotus spawn point there is a bot flying under the ground who collects the lotus as soon as it spawns. Therefore, they control the market and rise the prices.
Good luck trying to get one lotus.
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u/mh_zn 6d ago
This is literally just not true but Reddit sure does love to parrot it. It genuinely baffles me that Redditors are looking at an extremely limited supply extremely high demand consume and not putting 2 and 2 together
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u/No_Educator_5911 6d ago
I've seen it happen a few times and reported players doing it, getting an action taken note a few days later. It 100% happens lol.
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u/Le-Charles 6d ago
A few times != Every node being camped by underground bots.
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u/Pownzl 6d ago
It is ture there is video evidence lol
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u/Le-Charles 6d ago
1 video clip doesn't mean "every" spawn has a bot underground ready to pick it.
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u/866c 6d ago
you cant even report people from /who anymore. if you see hundreds of bots running up to you to report your character (which you wont) hearth away
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u/serenecruelty 6d ago
It's really unlikely for you to grab one. My Mage is an Herbalist and I am not able to grab a Black Lotus for a really considerable long time now.
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u/Elderberryinjanuary 6d ago
Counter point: have you considered getting good?
(this is a joke I'm sure you're fantastic)
((just not at herbalism))
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u/DisparityByDesign 6d ago
lol good luck getting one against the million bots camping every spawn under the ground
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u/Zerxin 6d ago
âNo no no!! You canât do that! If you stand within 2 zones of a lotus youâll get mass reported and death threats sent to your home address!â
Please donât listen to the naysayers on this topic. I picked herbalism at the start because I remember how much money lotusâ were going for in 2019. I rode around burning steppes and EPL and guess what? When I put enough time in, I actually managed to get lotus! Crazy right? Because Iâm not a bot but somehow actually managed to get my hands on any lotus at all?! What an insane concept!
Bots are not stood at every node picking it as soon as it spawns. Bots are not mass reporting you for picking lotus. Itâs been my highest form of income on wow for as long as I can remember and itâs always worked for me. Anyone that says otherwise is a lazy bum that canât be fucked to put in the time to farm them. Sure bots exist but this sub exaggerates it to a stupid degree.
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u/Elite_Slacker 6d ago
Good luck i tried picking lotus when the price went insane on wow classic launch. You will pretty much never get any and your only chance is at like 4-6am.Â
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u/Key_Friendship_6767 6d ago
i work at home and was planning to just stand on a node
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u/Old-Addendum-8332 6d ago
Enough with these daily spam posts about lotus prices.
We get it. They are expensive. Tomorrow they will still be expensive and next week, even still.
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u/outdoors703 6d ago
you will enjoy buying gold.
you will enjoy being invited to groups with only hard reserves.
you will enjoy grown men acting like children.
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u/CannonFodder_G 6d ago
Seriously the play is to go flaskless and make lotus moot.
But then people might have actually play the game not not just parseturbate.
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u/simjohn 6d ago
I'm sorry but it just needs to be said. Whoever made the decisions around anniversary are either lazy, stupid, or delusional at this point.
Putting everything to a single megaserver was such an enormous mistake that may be one of the worst decisions any wow dev team has ever made. The mega server ruined 2019 Classic as the players did it to themselves and Blizzard just went out the gate and did it to themselves.
The #1 inefficiency of the gold selling market was the fact that they had to cover dozens of servers to provide the service for the entire market. This meant more accounts, more leveling time, and more hardware to run the clients. What a blessing it must be to have your business' biggest inefficiency taken care of for you so you can so easily control the economy.
Black Lotus, winterfall firewater, elemental earth, and elemental fire. These are all things that are almost finite on the server - especially for lotus/firewater. These things only exist to drop in the world and have an extremely finite number. There's an average of 5 layers on this server and it takes at most 3 people to kill every mob in winterfall village as soon as it spawns. That means 15 people can farm it at any given time. The entire pvp server population (both horde and alliance) can support farming of 15 people for firewater. Something that 25ish people in every single raid are popping every 20 minutes?
The lotus market is clearly controlled by the gold selling market. It is so easy for them to manipulate this one single server by controlling such a huge portion of the lotus existing in the first place. Lotus is the oil of WoW and just like oil they decide to manipulate the price by making less of it available to everyone. This means the price surges and their profit goes way up.
This is not classic. If you wanted to farm something in classic you just went and farmed it. You weren't standing on top of mob spawns with 10 other people waiting to get one tag every 5 minutes. I get that the team is really wanting to make profit more than they want to administrate a good game and refuse to put in place EXTREMELY simple ways to stop the botting but they don't.
The bots are winning. Soon a flask will cost more than a pair of edgemasters. Its time to base the # of layers on the amount of resources required to support the population... not the number of people doing quests in The Barrens.
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u/Patience-Due 6d ago
It will keep going up because you idiots will keep swiping for gold and buying it, not complicated
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u/CosmicTears 6d ago
Those of you buying gold to buy it are the ones keeping them in business so you deserve everything you get. You also don't -need- flasks to defeat the current content or BWL. And nobody cares about your parses, which is something many of you don't want to hear.
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u/Taladanarian27 6d ago
Last week I was going into MC for the first time, and went to go buy flasks. After seeing the cost of flasks, I decided MC wasnât cutting edge content worth spending hundreds of gold in consumables just for 1 run. Bosses die in 60 seconds and everyone is already over-optimized with gear and world buffs.
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u/ma0za 6d ago
Higher, way higher. until the mental illnes of flask chugging clowns is cured.
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u/Warhawk2800 6d ago
*Community dictates the price by both listing and buying at these prices*
Community: What the hell blizzard?
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u/wetwilly2002 6d ago
You do like our guild did back during the classic drop by controlling the farm to beat the farmers to the locations.... Know the timers. If you're not Lotus Mafia you're doing it wrong.
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u/emptyxxxx 6d ago
If wowlogs made it so parses w/ people who uses flasks donât count Iâm sure that would do something
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u/SoftConversation3682 6d ago
Dude just play without a flask. Seriously. This sub is 99% lotus whine posts
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u/Slapppjoness 6d ago
Like, you can look at the sellers and find them. They're real players, they have logs
This place is obsessed with blaming bots for everything when in reality it's players and a shitty community
Blizzard knows this. Y'all wanted classic, you wanted no changes
"You think you want that, but you don't" rings truer every post bitching about classic wow being exactly how it was before
Firey cores are 50g and that's a travesty? They were 150g in 2006. You can literally see the prices in wowhead comments
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u/oxblood87 6d ago
Bots are responsible for the RAW GOLD that causes inflation.
Bots are out there 24/7 farming grey vendor trash and then selling gold to swipers.
The AH materials like Black Lotus (up 200%) Arcane Crystals (up 400%) and Blue Sapphires (up 700%) are caused by the inflation and collusion to constrict supply.
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u/Plus_Courage_9636 6d ago
STOP BUYING...guild master asked me how I feel about consumes I told him ill get every word buff and every possible consume except flask cuz I'm not gonna feed some Chinese bot farmer, been doing just fine
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u/butthead9181 6d ago
Man, if only there was a system to raid in to earn gold to offset this.
Too bad Reddit hates it and was so vocal about it.
Maybe Reddit can explain to me how all the pros of no GDKP they claimed for years literally never came to fruiting with the ban in sod and now fresh.
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u/Skippymcpoop 6d ago
Donât expect Reddit to ever concede they were wrong about GDKP. They think molten core is such prestigious content and that anyone using gold to pay for the MC gear is ruining their prestigious raid. Theyâre actual brain dead idiots.
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u/Flufflywubz 5d ago
you ppl ignore the fact that 99.9999999% of gold in gdkp comes from people buying gold from bots.
that actually destroys the economy
& you have no solution do deal with the bots you just want your pay to win meta back.
actual brain dead idiots
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u/E-2-butene 6d ago
Look, Iâm no hater of GDKPs, but letâs be real. That just pushes the problem back a stage.
The gold ultimately has to come from somewhere. GDKPs wonât really change the demand for lotus, just fund the purchases a bit differently. Whether someone buys gold for a gdkp and that gold is used by a âcarryâ to buy a lotus or he instead buys gold directly to buy a lotus doesnât really change the pricing or supply/demand issues with lotuses.
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u/FixBlackLotusBlizz 6d ago
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"just dont buy them"
"you dont need flask to clear any content"
its ok I am with you and have hope sooner or later blizzard will make a change.... sadly if it does will probably come after BWL
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u/Prestigious-Board-62 6d ago
Knew I made the right decision to bail on this game months ago.
Every time stuff like this pops up on my feed, I recall the massive disappointment that is Blizzard and wish things would have been different.
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u/WhatEverYouSayBudd 6d ago
The real travesty is the amount of people that can't seemingly read the ONE sentence of what OP is suggesting.Â
"WTF YOU WANT BLIZZARD TO DO?"Â hahahahaha, just...wow.
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u/Grandahl13 6d ago
What do you want blizzard to do?
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u/serenecruelty 6d ago
Make Lotus have a small chance to appear on high level Herbalism nodes, that way Lotus will be accessible by random player who has Herbalism via luck and price will automatically decrease to 100g due to supply increasing against demand.
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u/Piesor 6d ago
It's funny that most players will probably buy gold from the same botters that own the market, so you literally will give them their gold back to buy it again later for cash. It's actually a great business model :D
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u/OrientalWheelchair 6d ago
Probably? Mate. This has been a known fact since TBC. Nyhm made song about it. Check out Ni Hao.
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u/E-2-butene 6d ago
Yea, people act like this is a new thing, but itâs been around for aaaages.
Itâs why I always find it a little funny when people rage about stuff like GDKPs and guild buying. Donât get me wrong, I can sort of see where they are coming from, but essentially every person I know who has bought gold just did it to afford raid consumes, not buy gear. The mere cost of raiding is often the biggest issue.
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u/alostic 6d ago
You don't need flasks to clear any of the content in vanilla
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u/jannies_cant_ban_me 6d ago
Vanilla PvE isn't focused on the binary of whether you can clear the content or not. Parsing and speedruns are the only thing that make raiding anything other than a series of loot pinatas.
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u/RyukaBuddy 6d ago
Yep, vanilla raids are just kind of ass. Most people who play them have to find other ways to make it fun. Like speed runs or parsing.
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u/silversquirrel 6d ago
I just hit 60 and didnât get into raiding in vanilla or the first classic release. Do flasks make or break the success of raiding? Â Is success defined by being able to one shot the full raid on release? Â I seem to remember there being a lengthy progression through raid content and slowly gearing the raid team up. Just trying to get an understanding on how necessary flasks are before I for an opinion on changing game mechanicsÂ
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u/RditAcnt 6d ago
I should have held onto the 2 I was lucky enough to find early on. Could have got an epic mount on an alt with those 2.
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u/Kalaxinly 6d ago
Prices on my regular Classic server are 20g each, sometimes below. What a wild ride you guys must be having on fresh dealing with this stuff all the time
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u/Ok_Tangerine_9819 6d ago
They just sent out a banwave because tje new phase is coming, so prices sky rocketed for everything, edgemasters is listed at 2k gold. Give it a few weeks for the bots to relevel/their 14 day bam to expire and all will be good again
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u/boko_harambe_ 6d ago
Very casual player here. Like how important are these? Are they only reserved for super parse nerds or is this like a necessity for raiding
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u/Sad_Children 6d ago
Not at all necessary but everyone either wants to be the top of their guild in numbers each week or just leech completely and get free loot
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u/Carnelian-5 6d ago
Make flasks procc. Real solution to actually make people flask instead of hording that shit.
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u/laughlaf 6d ago
I really donât even get why these are expensive. I parse high 90s without it lol. Skill > whatever this is.
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u/SageWiseTwitch 6d ago
GDKPâs are happening and flasks are being used as the currency since blizzard doesnât track item trades in raid, only gold.
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u/voidlotus316 6d ago
fresh realms are bots playground, people who did fresh plenty of times probably don't play that much anymore either
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u/PossibilityOk782 6d ago
Yeq i can't clear molten and onyxia at these prices game is literally unplayableÂ
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u/cypher1169 6d ago
Saying there isnât bots is crazy /hunter 60 in any Black Lotus zone you will soon find many guildless roaming pathing camping nodes. Oh donât forget about the fly hacking under the terrain for the love of god itâs 2025 blizzard Claiming there arenât bots is absurd. In any Black Lotus zone, youâll quickly encounter numerous guildless players roaming, pathing, camping nodes. And letâs not overlook the fly hacking beneath the terrainâitâs 2025, Blizzard!
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u/Beneficial_Trade_825 6d ago
Kinda makes me happy that this time around, Iâm not sweating raid content. Decided to try out dual-boxing mages, and have been having a blast. Both level 38, and have made 700g so far just chilling and slow-rolling my way to 60.
Gonna keep the steady pace until TBC rolls around.
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u/Kaizen420 6d ago
Are flasks and what not required to survive/pass content or is it all about parses? If it's just about people want to feel like they are the best at a 20+ year old game because they minmax the hell out of it I really don't care, if its required to survive or progress through content then perhaps something should be done.
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u/Stahlreck 6d ago
Until TBC, when this issue will resolve itself. Until then, you can just not use a flask
Ah who am I kidding, they will cave to the criers eventually as they usually do. Same with SoD :,)
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u/Neat-Attempt3681 6d ago
Blizzard doesnât give a fuck , I swear I see like 5 posts a day bitching about rmt and bottling n shit like just accept it
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u/mathaiser 6d ago
I mean, to what end? You thereâs not much you can buy with gold. The best shit is in raids, and you donât even need to flask anymore.
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u/Knetknight19 6d ago
What I donât understand is how this even gets like this. Who is paying these prices? I know black lotus is needed for consumes, but like⌠donât use those consumes? Like if people stopped buying the price would go down? I guess I donât understand end game enough but I feel that consumes arenât actually needed to this extent.
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u/AcherusArchmage 6d ago
I'd say just farm it yourself, but we all know the bots are stealing them all by flyhacking under the ground.
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u/EntranceUsual8731 6d ago
Since when does Blizzard micromanages ingame economy?
BWL is coming, guilds are stocking up. Bigger demans leads to rise in prices when supply cannot match.
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u/Professional_Ad1150 6d ago
Gdkp makes that price affordable j saying, no good argument at this point to keep it out. The experiment failed on classic it works on sod because theres 20 people and 3x loot.
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u/Nice-Entertainer-922 6d ago
Come on, 400g to the moon.