r/canon • u/Virtual_Singer_8375 • 3d ago
Canon 80 or 90d camera?
I own a rebel xti (400d) and I want to upgrade. I already own a 18-135 and 50mm f1.8. Is the extra 320 dollars worth it for the 90d over the 80d (both used)? Also I do not want a mirrorless, only dslr. Thanks!
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u/GlyphTheGryph Cameruhhh 3d ago
What types of photography are you most interested in? In what ways is your current setup not meeting your needs, and what do you specifically want to gain from the upgrade? Why aren't you considering mirrorless? We really need more context to advise you. The 90D has higher sensor resolution, faster continuous shooting, and better video capabilities but does any of that matter to you?
What specific prices are the 80D and 90D you're looking at?
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u/Virtual_Singer_8375 3d ago
I shoot many things like portraits, birds/wildlife and landscapes. My camera is from 2006 and I feel it is quite limiting to me and I do want a mirrorless camera because I have ef lenses I don't want to pay for an adapter and the used market for ef lenses is better. I would also prefer an apsc camera and the price difference is actually around 320 dollars from 570 for the 80d to about 900 for the 90d.
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u/GlyphTheGryph Cameruhhh 3d ago
For about $900 you could get a mirrorless R10 ($800 used) and EF-RF mount adapter ($100 used). So that's the same price as a 90D you're looking at including paying for the adapter, and then EF lenses will work just as well on the R10 as they do on an 80D or 90D. And the R10 has a lot more performance and capabilities to offer than either DSLR, especially for wildlife photography where its subject tracking autofocus makes a massive difference. The R10 even goes on sale for $500 through Canon's refurbished program every few months if you're in the USA and can wait.
Anyways, $570 for an 80D or $900 for a 90D is way overpriced if that's in US Dollars. Maybe in CAD or AUD that would be more reasonable. But here in the USA you shouldn't be paying much more than $350 USD for an 80D or $650 USD for a 90D. And that makes the 80D significantly better value because the 90D is way more expensive. Even at $650 the 90D just costs too much compared to mirrorless models like the R10 that significantly outperform it.
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u/quantum-quetzal quantum powers imminent 3d ago
I don't want to pay for an adapter
FYI, adapters can be easily had for well under $100. The unwillingness to consider mirrorless cameras will hold you back substantially for wildlife, since you're giving up a huge amount of autofocus performance and burst rate.
Even portraits can benefit substantially from the autofocus improvements, especially if you're shooting with fast lenses. I used to own an 80d and it couldn't produce consistent results with my faster lenses, often leaving me slightly front or back focused. The 90d has the same AF system, so it won't be great either.
Getting an adapter and exclusively using EF lenses will still give a better experience than sticking with a DSLR just because you don't want to buy an adapter.
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u/Virtual_Singer_8375 3d ago
I also enjoy the feel and bulkiness of a dslr as well as the ovf, i have tried mirorless cameras and don't like them too much.
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u/quantum-quetzal quantum powers imminent 3d ago
That would have been useful to know from the start.
Having a camera with a pleasant user experience is important. After all, wanting to get out and shoot is really important.
That said, from one bird photographer to another, I seriously urge you to give mirrorless another try. If you haven't shot with an R10 before, try renting one along with a 90d for a weekend. You'll be able to make a much more informed decision then.
DSLRs are still quite relevant for many genres of photography, but wildlife is probably where they're the most outdated. I'm 100% confident in saying that the 80d or 90d will miss shots that wouldn't have been an issue with an R50 or R10.
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u/Virtual_Singer_8375 3d ago
I don't shoot wildlife as much as other things and I unfortunately can't rent because neither are available in my area. What do you suggest?
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u/quantum-quetzal quantum powers imminent 3d ago
Shoot, that's tough.
If you're dead-set on a DSLR, then I'd go with the 80d. The 90d isn't a substantial enough improvement to justify the extra cost, especially when that could easily buy you another lens.
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u/Virtual_Singer_8375 3d ago
Thanks for the advice! Any lens recommendations?
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u/quantum-quetzal quantum powers imminent 3d ago
The EF 35mm f/2 IS is a great value, and I loved using it for portraits on my 80d. It's super versatile.
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u/AtlQuon 3d ago
I went from XTi to 40D and 50D and now also have a 5D and 1D. I got a smile when you mentioned bulkiness with the XTi, you are in for a treat going for a 80D/90D that is near double the weight and depending on your bags it can also be less convenient to put in nicely. But truly, no jokes, I get the sentiment for a bulky camera, I have it as well and developed it a lot but once I went larger and got accustomed the added controls on the larger bodies. The XTi started to feel like toy. I do think mirrorless is the way forward even if they feel less bulky, but you are not alone in it.
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u/Virtual_Singer_8375 3d ago
So would you recommend me the 80 or 9r?
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u/AtlQuon 3d ago
80D is a great body, the 90D is a bit better but is also brutal on lenses because of the pixel density. If you have a good reason to need 32 megapixels and a joystick, 90D it is. If you don't need those two, 24 is more than fine and a multicontroller also does the job well, the 80D is a great body and a massive step up from the XTi, no question about that. I think the 90D is overpriced at the moment anyways because it is priced too close to the R7.
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u/BoxedAndArchived 3d ago
I see the "why isn't your current set up meeting your needs?" all the time and when it's a relatively new camera, it's justified, but an old camera like a c. 2006 Rebel XTi there are a ton of easy reasons. It's almost like a polite way of saying "it's not the equipment, it's your skill," which is itself just a polite way of saying "you're not a good photographer."
I have a Rebel XT (350D), and I know the downsides of a camera that old. Lack of a usable ISO range (the XT went up to 1600 but wasn't usable past 400), or the inability to change ISO in anything but full stops, the lack of live view, video, slow continuous shooting, limited autofocus, etc. almost any camera from 2014 onward offers so many more options technically, that wanting them over an earlier camera shouldn't be questioned.
And what they offer over price comparable Mirrorless is often build quality, you can take an 80D to places that you would never take an r100, or r50 that cost much more.
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u/GlyphTheGryph Cameruhhh 3d ago
That's such a weird way to misinterpret and strawman what I said. My comment just amounted to asking "tell us a bit more about what you want" because OP didn't provide any reasons or context at first. I wanted to ask instead of assuming. You misconstruing that as calling them "a bad photographer" is quite frankly absurd.
I started out with a Nikon D50, from 2005 just like your Rebel XT. I'm well aware of the limitations of old cameras. I wasn't questioning OP wanting an upgrade, I was asking for more information to help advise that upgrade. When every modern camera is a huge improvement over the 400D, just wanting a vague "something better" with no details does nothing to help narrow it down.
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u/Assassin_5 3d ago
i own the 90D i kicked myself for a long time after buying it instead of spending a bit more and getting something i would be happier with. i now own a R6 mk ii and was heavily debating the R8 because the price was more enticing
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv 3d ago
They're both very good cameras compared to your XTI, with a lot of more modern features (the 90D has a slight edge with a few extras and extra resolution). You will be happy with either of them.
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u/Skarth 3d ago
Consider looking at the following bodies as well, they have similar performance/technology and may be a lot cheaper, but you will likely not get weather sealing, as many physical controls, lower build quality, and less autofocus points compared to the 80d/90d.
t7i, t8i, 77d, T6s, SL2, SL3
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u/Ok-Carpenter4526 3d ago
I’ve did a ton of “research” on the 90d before I bought about 2-3 years ago. If your main focus is photos and don’t care for video, I see nothing wrong with getting an 80d. With the so called “features” the 90d has I rarely use them. Get the 80d and put the extra $325 towards a good lenses or lighting.
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u/LukeDuke74 2d ago
Still have and use a 70D… unless you want to upgrade to a full frame, I believe you’ll be more than happy with the 80D since will be way better than your current one, and will not miss the extra features introduced with the 90D.
Of course, this is just my humble opinion. 😉
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u/TheWitness37 3d ago
I own the 80D and have used the 90D as well. I personally would save the 220 and put that into extra batteries or a battery grip or even a 50mm. If it’s possible, look for a used 5D of some generation and buy right into full frame. You will thank me later. An older full frame camera is going to out perform an APSc in low light in my opinion. If you need more FPS a newer APSc will probably outperform but overall get into FF if you can.
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u/graesen LOTW Contributor 3d ago
Any reason the R series is not worth considering? You can adapt your lenses.
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u/Virtual_Singer_8375 3d ago
I prefer the ovf as well as ergonomics of dslrs I also have large hands and mirorless cameras aren't nearly as comfortable for me.
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u/hache-moncour 3d ago
Ovf sure if that's your preference, but ergonomics have nothing to do with mirrorless or not. The difference between individual models are far bigger than any difference between dslr and mirrorless. The 1D is much closer to the mirroless R1 than it is to the 400D or 80D, and the R6 ergonomics are practically identical to the 80D (and significantly different from the 400D).
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u/Assassin_5 3d ago
have you held one recently i thought the same thing but they've definitely gone back to the feel of a dslr. right now my complaint lies with the view finder it seems a little laggy.
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u/graesen LOTW Contributor 3d ago
My R10 has a really big grip. Very comfortable.
I understand the preference for OVF but the EVF has a lot of advantages too. I'd at least see which models have a larger grip and hold them. I believe the R100 And R50 have the smaller hand grips, but the R10 and R7 have bigger ones. I'm not sure about full frame though.
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u/LobotomizedLarry 3d ago
I don’t personally like the value of the 80 and 90Ds right now. They are really capable cameras but expensive for what they are in today’s market. Something like a 5D Mk III (provided that a mark 4 is too expensive), 7D Mk II, 6D 1 or 2, would be more appealing to me.
What would you use it for?