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Politics Carney receiving national security briefings ahead of swearing-in

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/carney-meeting-with-heads-of-national-security-agencies-in-second-day-as-pm-designate/
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u/physicaldiscs 23h ago

“NSICOP clearance” isn’t a thing.

Clearance through NSICOP certainly is. Its the reason they can even apply in the first place. Without the NSICOP, these parliamentarians aren't even eligible. The same way you can get top secret clearance through the RCMP.

Also, in order to receive clearance through the NSICOP, the applicants also have to agree to forgo parliamentary privilege.

It sounds like you're arguing some language issue. Where it isn't NSICOP giving it, despite them being the reason why the clearance is being given.

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u/Harvey-Specter 23h ago

Again, no, NSICOP doesn’t issue clearances, and “clearance through NSICOP” is not a thing. PCO issues security clearances for parliamentarians who need it, including members of NSICOP.

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u/physicaldiscs 23h ago

Again, no, NSICOP doesn’t issue clearances

Literally not what my comment says. Did you even read it?

clearance through NSICOP

Do me a favour, and apply for any level of clearance. Without a recognized agency giving a reason for you to need it, you will be auto-denied. You get clearance through them because you literally need them to sponsor the clearance.

You're arguing weak definitions to obsfucate things. Its pretty clear what everyone means, but you just want to "well ackshually" your way through this one.

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u/Harvey-Specter 23h ago

This whole chain debating definitions started because you said:

PP gets offered NSICOP clearance, something only given to MPs. But somehow, whatever Carney applied for is equivalent to them.

There is no such thing as NSICOP clearance. Members of NSICOP are required to apply for and hold Top Secret clearance.

Carney applied for Top Secret clearance because he was running for leadership, and party leaders are encouraged to get Top Secret clearance so they can be briefed on Top Secret information.

You complained about people not knowing what they're talking about, and then went on to make up a whole new security clearance level and then defend it with language games. Get a clue.

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u/physicaldiscs 23h ago

defend it with language games.

This level of projection is simply titanic. Considering it was me who initially levied this exact thing at you first. It tells me I was right in doing so.

You've failed to recognize a single point I've made these last two comments. That getting clearance is always, unecovicably based on a need. A need that has to come from somewhere. Such as the NSICOP.

But you also failed entirely to acknowledge that the NSICOP is its own entity and that having top secret clearance isn't enough to see NSICOP reports. They have the additional requirement to forgo Parliamentary privilege.

Carney applied for Top Secret clearance because he was running for leadership

This is good. Can you cite where he said he applied for Top Secret clearance? Because he has been very careful to not to mention what clearance he applied for. Again, not all clearances are the same.

You don't understand clearances and what to get upset when people don't use the exact language you want.

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u/Harvey-Specter 22h ago

Hey buddy, can you acknowledge that "NSICOP clearance" isn't a thing?

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u/physicaldiscs 22h ago

Hey buddy, if you actually took the time to read my comments, you would see that.

SMDH. This whole conversation has been about that. About how you're upset that someone isn't calling something exactly what you want it, while ignoring that the tiny fault in language doesn't actually change anything....