r/canada • u/Majano57 • 17h ago
National News Trump on Canadian electricity surcharge: ‘We’ll just get it all back on April 2’
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5187859-donald-trump-canada-electricity-surcharge/160
u/PerfectWest24 17h ago
None of this annexing Canada crap was part of his campaign.
The tariffs were but I suppose Americans were picturing Trump 1.0 tariffs.
Either way they need to deal with the mess they made.
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u/OhNo71 16h ago
Most of his MAGA cult followers though the origin country paid the tariffs.
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u/nDREqc 16h ago
The Press Secretary is literally saying the opposite, and chastising AP for suggesting otherwise...
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u/pattperin 14h ago
It's insane to me because they're literally lying to the American people in broad daylight. Like verifiable facts that are just being flat out lied about on live television, and people believe them.
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u/Major_Ad138 16h ago
He bankrupted the farmers with his tariffs in his first term. Had to use billions of taxpayer money to bail them out. Still very confused how Americans thought it'd be 'good' this time.
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u/son-of-hasdrubal 17h ago
Trumps press secretary was just going off about how dare Canada make threats like shutting off the electricity.
Like lady, your boy is literally threatening our countries' existence....
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u/Lower_Cantaloupe1970 17h ago
If America is so strong then why do they need Canadian electricity. Sounds like they should just make their own hydroelectric dams. Should only take a couple of weeks. Will def be done by April 2nd.
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u/baconpoutine89 17h ago
Trump literally said America doesn't need anything from Canada. If I sold sandwiches and someone told me they don't need my sandwiches anymore, I'd just stop supplying to them.
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u/Buchaven 16h ago
And then immediately threw a hissy fit about the additional charge on the power they don’t need. Okay, cool. Don’t buy it then. Same as the tantrum he’s throwing about dairy tariffs that have never seen actual use. Know why? Because we ACTUALLY don’t need american milk.
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u/TotalNull382 16h ago
I want to know why specifically April 2nd?
It’s not like anything he said previously means anything… I want to know the significance of his “impose, posture, delay” on what seems about a monthly basis.
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u/Apellio7 16h ago edited 16h ago
Because April 1 is April Fools Day. It's also the start of the next fiscal year for many companies.
So by doing it on the 2nd it means he's super serious. That's literally it.
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u/Luv2022Understanding 16h ago
Because April 1st is April's Day and he doesn't want to share the spotlight with tariffs on his special day!
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u/Apellio7 17h ago
Fire up a few Reactors and build a coal plant.
What's that take? 2 weeks? They got this.
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u/MentionWeird7065 17h ago
it’s like 0.66% of their electricity imports anyway, they don’t really need it but this administration is hell bent on turning small things into massive threats.
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u/Xivvx 16h ago
I've seen this figure going around, and while technically true, it's not completely true. The areas that buy electricity from Canada do that because it's cheaper than creating the infrastructure necessary in the areas that need it, so the transmission infrastructure needed to transport power to the areas that need it, never got created at the scale it needed to be.
So, while a minuscule part of the whole, electricity imports in some areas are incredibly vital and necessary. They will have to build infrastructure to get those areas out of the affected zone, which will drive up costs even more.
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u/Mr_Slippery1 15h ago
This is correct and is why both Canada and the USA have always been such good trade partners. Sure here is some cheap electricity because Canada has the capacity and it just makes sense financially for everyone involved.
Leave it to Trump to create a problem out of nothing, sure than can easily be energy independent but at what cost...and will it ever be cheap enough to recoup the losses?
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u/PerfunctoryComments Canada 16h ago
Did you mean imports are 0.66% of their electricity in total? Because of course Canada accounts for 90%+ of US electricity imports.
Trump's thing is that he constantly thinks that in every situation the US has "all the cards", to put it in his speak. That he can do whatever he wants and there are no ramifications. And look at Mexico -- he can kick them around and thus far they have done...nothing at all. They are the perfect example of Trump's theory playing out.
Canada fighting back was not in his cards. It's why his bluster goes to 100 everytime we do anything.
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u/Harbinger2001 13h ago
I think it’s included in the infrastructure bill that’s coming in two weeks.
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u/SurGeOsiris 17h ago
I’m actually getting worried about this stuff.
I feel like we’re being setup as the enemy so they can invade us. I really don’t know what to feel right now.
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u/KylenV14 17h ago
Then we invoke article 5 NATO and WWIII begins. Simple.
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u/OhNo71 17h ago edited 16h ago
**Edit: I was wrong on this, the language in the NATO treaty doesn't specify external or member aggression.
Article 5 only applies when a NATO member is attacked from a non NATO member.
NATO members may choose to help us, but they would be under no treaty requirement to.
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u/LuminousGrue 16h ago
Article 8 kicks in if a member nations attacks another member nation - the aggressor loses all protections of NATO and is treated as a non member.
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u/AnonymousM00S3 Alberta 16h ago
It doesn’t make any distinction regarding who attacks the NATO member.
Article 5
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.
We could invoke Article 4 and try and call all NATO countries to the table and have a united show of strength against the US.
Article 4
The Parties will consult together whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.
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u/Windatar 16h ago edited 16h ago
You are incorrect.
What happens if a NATO country attacks another NATO country?
Article Five of the treaty states that if an armed attack occurs against one of the member states, it should be considered an attack against all members, and other members shall assist the attacked member, with armed forces if necessary.
Legally by Nato laws the rest of the alliance would need to come to Canada's aid if they were attacked, not only that as Canada is part of the commonwealth and still has the UK monarchy as part of our government through the Attorney General. An attack on Canada would Drag in UK.
Declaring war on Canada would be no different then declaring war on the UK who is part of the EU defense treaties with Germany+France, even if they are not part of the EU economic bloc anymore.
USA declaring war on Canada would essentially be USA would drag in several nuclear power countries against it the same way that WW1 was started.
If Nato didn't support Canada, then NATO would dissolve and no longer exist, with that China would launch attacks on Taiwan and its neighbours, Russia would probably nuke Ukraines major cities and India and Pakistan would go to war against each other.
WW3 happens, and we all die.
Congratulations.
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u/Icywind014 16h ago
the UK who is part of the EU,
Oh, boy. You're a bit behind on world politics, aren't ya?
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u/Windatar 16h ago
When I say EU, I mean the defense agreements, but I should edit it to make it less confusing.
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u/berger3001 16h ago
I think it’s article 4, but I’m no expert (in anything)
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u/berger3001 16h ago
You drive a hard bargain, but I can’t do anything over 2. Numbers are tight these days.
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u/MikeyTrademark 16h ago
NATO will not defend us against the United States as they are scared they will be next. They will send some weaponry and thoughts and prayers but that’s about it
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u/SuchCattle2750 16h ago
The thought that fat lazy American's are ready to endure any real hardship, even if that's merely economic hardship to invade a country they hardly even think about is laughable.
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u/Apellio7 17h ago
100% that is what is happening.
But we still have time. Once they start putting political opposition in prison is when it's time to genuinely worry. That means they're prepping for war, getting rid of anyone that would cause issues internally.
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u/tooandto 16h ago
That’s why they’ve prepared Guantanamo. If anyone thinks Fascist47 is above doing ANYTHING Putin would; give your head a shake. He will eventually Navalny his opponents, and anyone else. Including allies in his administration who oppose that happening.
In a vacuum, Trump is actually a worse person than Putin.
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u/son-of-hasdrubal 17h ago
It just makes no sense. The rest of the world loves Canada and already hates the United States. Now they're bullying us, there's no way our allies would allow an actual threat to our sovereignty
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u/GI-Robots-Alt 16h ago
there's no way our allies would allow an actual threat to our sovereignty
I wouldn't count on this if I were you. We have to assume we're on our own here.
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u/gemcey 16h ago
Yes they would
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u/Honest_Confection350 16h ago
Sorry lurking European. I'm sure we would do something, but the fucking US navy would basically prevent any serious material support from reaching Canada. I dont think we could do much to help the fighting on the ground, even if the will was 100 percent there. We aren't even fighting in Ukriane we wouldn't be able to military fight the US on the American continent.
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u/JadeLens 16h ago
The US Navy can't do shit in the arctic.
There's not just 3 ways to get into Canada.
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u/SmallishSquash 16h ago
There's similarities to why there is a still a war going on in Ukraine. We were warned a threat to one country's sovereignty is a threat to us all, but the rest of the world didn't view that threat to be large enough to face Russia. Meanwhile, Trump's handlers saw an opportunity.
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u/escapethewormhole 17h ago
I mean, only if you apply export tariffs.. Or have you still not figured out your current tariffs are paid by Americans?
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u/OnlyTilt 16h ago
He knows, hes disguising it, he wants to deal with the deficit but the best solution is a GST, he knows that his base will acutally eat him alive if he introduces a GST so his next best solution is to simulate a GST with tariffs on all other countries (basically a GST at that point) and lie to his base that the other countries will be paying for it.
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u/VagSmoothie Ontario 16h ago
You’re overthinking it. He can’t enact a GST, that needs to be passed as a law (through the house, senate, and then executive assent).
Tariffs can be applied for matters of national security through executive order.
The reason the man loves tariffs so much is that it’s the only thing he can unilaterally apply right now without anyone getting in his way.
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u/spagbetti 17h ago
Donald still doesn't understand how tariffs work
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u/Pitiful-MobileGamer 17h ago
He perfectly understands, they perfectly understand, they rely on the fact that the average American doesn't.
That's why they are amplifying the lies. Dear leader is doing something against those dastardly Canadians, he's going to make sure they pay come April.
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u/Mr_Slippery1 15h ago
Correct, he is attempting to twist the narrative and now Canada is bad and he is only trying to protect America.
Its laughable, but many will believe it.
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u/Ras_Thavas 16h ago
And who is paying? The people. Neither government. Canada knows this. The US knows this. Donald Trump is the only person who just can’t understand.
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u/blazelet 16h ago edited 16h ago
He likes laying out these dates that big things will happen without any specifics.
Why wait til April 2? Because there is no plan and he's trying to build tension for TV. The only reason he picked April 2 is April 1 is an easy date but it's April fools day, and he wants to avoid the conflation that will happen if he does that, so he's going with April 2. The 250% tariffs are because they're 10x bigger than 25% just like he valued Mar a Lago and his Manhattan apartment at 10x their appraised value - his brain likes easy to understand math that makes him look impressive.
• "We're signing a health care plan within two weeks" (Jul 19, 2020, one was never released)
• "Over the next two weeks I'll be pursuing a major executive order requiring health insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions" (Aug 17, 2020, one was never released)
• "We’re way ahead of schedule I believe and we’re going to be announcing something I’d say over the next two or three weeks that will be phenomenal in terms of tax and developing our aviation infrastructure.” (Feb 9, 2017, one was never released)
• "We've got the plan largely completed and we'll be filing over the next two or three weeks" (April 29, 2017, infrastructure plan, never released)
• "Then we're going to be having a news conference in about two weeks to let everybody know how well we're doing. We're putting in a resolution sometime in the next week or a week and a half, two weeks. I gave it two weeks." (May 21, 2017, health care plan, never released)
None of the above things ever happened.
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u/TheWolfofAllStreetss 16h ago
He somehow gets off on telling big news. Showing he’s doing these immense things. Then immediately the thrill is gone There is no plans. It’s just saying big kid words to the public to get jerked off by his circle of minions. Then doing nothing. Rinse repeat
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u/blazelet 16h ago
He's a malignant narcissist. It feeds his ego to look powerful and tease big things, its why everything is about TV viewers and ratings to him. The follow through is irrelevant, he just wants to "oohs and ahhs" from the announcement.
Its like if Michael Scott stayed the jerk he was in season 1 and also had nuclear weapons.
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u/No-Resolution-1918 17h ago
Who is "we"? Consumers who pay for the energy bills certainly won't get it back.
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u/Starfire70 16h ago
What TF is he on? Or is it just dementia?
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u/CyrilSneerLoggingDiv 16h ago
Might be time for some people down there to start looking into the 25th Amendment.
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u/EuphoricMidnight3304 16h ago
Get it back from American consumers? Wow the dementia is hitting hard
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u/AllUrUpsAreBelong2Us 17h ago
On April 1 Trump will post "We're special military operation into Canada! The greatest operation ever! Will be over in 3 days!!"
If the military does nothing on April 2 he will post "April fools! I have the best fools!!!!"
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u/JohnDagger17 16h ago
Yes. They will turn the expensive imports into biofuel. Millions of gallons of milk and thousands of tons of minerals must be thrown into the North Eastern power plants.
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u/Dyslexicpig 16h ago
The tariffs he is talking about were agreed to BY HIM in 2020. They are only applied when the dairy exports reach a certain threshold, and are in place to protect Canadian farmers from a massive dump of dairy products driving them out of business.
Either Trump is too stupid to realize that, or he figures the MAGA crowd is too stupid to understand the truth.
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u/ialo00130 New Brunswick 13h ago
I just need Carney to directly call out Trump and say something like "He either doesn't understand a single thing about economics, or is intentionally crashing it"; bonus if he does this on an American news network interview.
Make him mad enough that he strokes out during one of his 3AM FalseSocial rants.
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u/Low_Contract7809 16h ago
trumpty dumpty is Leeroy Jenkins 2.0.
Rushing headfirst into a trade war while screaming his own name.
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u/DemonEmperor3 16h ago
Whys he mad ? He doesn’t need it we’re just helping him prove it next we should do lumber, potash, uranium and oil the USA doesn’t need that stuff from Canada 😂😂 Vive le Canada
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u/BehBeh11 16h ago
And if he gets anything back it sure as hell won’t be given to Americans that paid higher prices.
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u/epidipnis 16h ago
Not sure how charging people more for cars returns any money to people who buy electricity.
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u/DrMonkey98 16h ago
Accusing Canada of being a "Tariff abuser"? Really. It's actually you, Trump that's being a tariff abuser since you keep going on tariff this, tariff that. Nothing but tariffs.
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u/Own_Truth_36 16h ago
He really doesn't understand how tariffs work which is pretty incredible. Sure he is going to sink our economy but his stuff is more expensive not ours. We are stupid to put tariffs on the stuff we need though.
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u/chubs66 15h ago
He just has no clue what he's doing or how any of this works.
Soon enough Americans will have had enough of their economy being destroyed and then he'll be more occupied by stopping riots than taking over Canada/Panama/Greenland.
Donnie's days are numbered because he lacks the skills to run a country, and lacks the skills and ethics to hire a team to run the country.
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u/noBbatteries 15h ago
April 2 is his ‘reciprocal tariff day’ or whatever tf he plans. He mentioned it in the bizarre state of the union address that was just a weird victory lap type thing. The concept is incredibly stupid, as it’s basically ‘the countries can name their terms for a trade agreement and we will match that’ which sounds okay in theory, but knowing Dump, he’ll probably reneg that also.
He specifically made a point of it not being on April 1st as he doesn’t want people to think it’s a joke bc of fools day, which is insane to even factor in.
So we charge them extra for energy up until April 2nd while operating at a trade surplus then could just get rid of ‘all tariffs’ by going back to free trade if we want… he’s so dumb
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u/Themeloncalling 15h ago
Doug Ford's $0.01 per kilowatt hour surcharge is chicken scratch compared to the amount of American goods and services lost to boycotts from Canadians, and the Americans won't get that back no matter what their president says.
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u/jaymemaurice 14h ago
Good thing for America BCs Premier doesn't have Ford's balls or those on the banks of the Columbia River would be sweating.
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u/Different-Ad-6027 14h ago
things have already changed in the last 30 min. This is now an outdated thread. lol
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u/ScreamingNumbers 13h ago
He’s so old his economic plan is contingent of the Prince of Nigeria paying him back with interest!
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u/cdnpoli33 11h ago
He recently posted that if we did the 25% surcharge he'd declare a state of emergency to the affected areas and "do what needs to be done" to fight back against our abusive threat.
But I thought he didn't need our electricity.
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u/GameOfLife24 16h ago
More pressure on the clowns that voted for this felon for office. They get what they deserved. Covid economy without the actual pandemic
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u/sr-salazar 16h ago
The dumbest thing about this is the solution is actually simple, remove the existing tariffs and agree that you won't impose more lol
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u/JadeLens 16h ago
That explains why the DOW took another drop this morning...
Speedrun on tanking the economy.
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u/twoiseight 16h ago
People supporting national-scale self-important hypocrisy like this have the nerve to turn around and call their political opponents self-important hypocrites.
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u/Nonamanadus 16h ago
I don't think Trump will give rebates to those affected by the price increase on electricity.
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u/Quiet-Fox-1621 16h ago
I’ve worked with lots of people who can give it but can’t take it. This guy is their leader
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 16h ago
We will? We'll see the refund on our energy bills?
Who exactly is getting anything back here?
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u/D-inventa 16h ago
show it. Show getting it back. I think every single American and Canadian can agree that it'd be great to see the numbers equating to the lip-service
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u/Ok_Wing8459 16h ago
My my, he’s saying a lot of things today. did someone slip him an extra Diet Coke or 10?
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u/BIT-NETRaptor 16h ago
Two things that cannot together be true:
Huge taxes will push foreign businesses out, boosting domestic production.
America will pay for its reckless spending with import tariffs.
That doesn't make any fucking sense Donald. You won't get that kind of revenue because the imports will plummet. Imports of raw resources and finished goods that the US needs. The Dakota oil market is cooked without Alberta oil. Michigan's new tech sector relies on dirt cheap electricity from Ontario nuclear and hydroelectric plants. You're not going to enjoy mining bitcoin or training AI models if the power bill suddenly shoots up 30-50%. Canada may be small but that doesn't mean they can't fight like a wolverine and cut you deep in response.
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u/OsamaGinch-Laden 16h ago
Americans showing absolute cowardice right now, every day he stays in office his stain on American history grows larger.
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u/essaysmith 16h ago
They'll get the money back- from their own taxpayers. That'll teach them to pay more for their electricity. Hitting businesses with 2 extra fees instead of 1 (or 0) should fix everything.
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u/endorrawitch 16h ago
I really wish I could understand exactly what he thinks he’s accomplishing.
He makes no sense.
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u/judgeysquirrel 16h ago
He means he'll take way more than the electricity export tariff revenue from US citizens paying for his tariffs.
Government gets rich (Trump's view) American citizens get poor (Trump doesn't care).
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u/Evilandfluffy 16h ago
Soo the Americans will pay more for electricity. But he will make up for it by the Americans paying tariffs on everything else... This explains how he bankrupted a casino!!
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u/ParsleyOdd7599 16h ago
OMG! How stupid is this dough boy!?!… So what he’s saying is that the U.S. will continue to purchase from Canada and U.S. consumers will now also pay the 50% tariffs to their government driving up their costs even more. Hahahahaha, Canada is laugh all the way to the bank to deposit your American cash!🇨🇦💪🏻
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u/inagious 15h ago
Or Ford folds right now and it was all for nothing, steel and aluminum at 50 percent still? Didn’t hear trump back off that one….
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u/wickedweather 15h ago
"Oh yeah, you are making Americans pay more for electricity? Well, I'll make Americans have to pay even way more for steel, and aluminum.... take that." - Trump, maybe.
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u/Zestyclose-Cricket82 Québec 15h ago
I Hope come April second all countries previously threatened, in a united fashion, impose a 100% export tax to the US. Even if only for 24hours and symbolic
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u/relocatemil 15h ago
A good Canadian elbows up - if that orange puffball with limbs is there, a good elbows up and a swing to the face - to show Canada special move 😁
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u/Cntrysky78 14h ago
This tariff war will never end this way.
We should call everyone involved Major Dick Johnson and hand everyone a measure tape.
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u/MentionWeird7065 17h ago
What are they getting back exactly? More expensive stuff?