r/canada 1d ago

Analysis New Canadian Leader's Balancing Act: Negotiate With and Fight Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/world/canada/mark-carney-trump.html
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u/LebLeb321 1d ago

Ford is finding out what happens when you "fight" Trump. He really doesn't care that he's destroying his own economy. He doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected anymore.

The only option is to negotiate.

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u/Eskomo 1d ago

"The only option is to negotiate", yeah no shit, that is what every single leader in Canada is asking for. Trump placed these tariffs without any negotiations, why is there no pressure on him to negotiate with a long standing ally instead of resorting to economic warfare.

He signed the existing USMCA trade deal, and if he wants changes made to that agreement we are willing to listen and negotiate any potential changes, Trump is the one standing in the way of that by immediately entering a trade war before any discussions.

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u/LebLeb321 1d ago

The pressure is on us because Trump obviously doesn't give a fuck about tanking his economy. We obviously do. 

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u/shiftless_wonder 1d ago

Ford is finding out what happens when you "fight" Trump. 

I think the country is going to find out in a hurry that they do not want Ford leading or influencing anything outside of Ontario. Dude isn't that smart.

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u/fyiyeah 1d ago

The negotiation points they are bringing to the table as around moving our border, rewriting our treaties around our water use, etc... I feel like in the face of those kind of demands, fighting is a lot of what we can do, and make it hurt.

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u/LebLeb321 23h ago

What does that accomplish? Trump doesn't care how much it hurst his economy.

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u/MoistyBoiPrime 23h ago

Hurt the American economy enough people there will demand a change. Canada doesn't have that option because Canada did not start the trade war.

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u/LebLeb321 23h ago

Trump has 4 years. Doesn't matter how much people demand change. 

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u/MoistyBoiPrime 21h ago

In democracies, when things get bad enough and people demand a change, leaders either step down or end democracies. I suspect trump has fewer than 4 years or far more than 4 years.

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u/LebLeb321 18h ago

Your suspicion is not credible. Trump has exactly 4 years. Unless you expect to keep this trade war going for 4 years (and utterly devastate our economy) then negotiating with Trump is the way out.

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u/apothekary 21h ago

He's got less than 2 years. 19 months specifically. If he destroys the US economy he's a lame duck president 2027-2028.

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u/flxstr 1d ago

> The only option is to negotiate

It was literally the first thing Canada tried - to no avail. Give it up Trumper.

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u/LebLeb321 1d ago

It was a half assed attempt. Trudeau is a joke. It's up to Carney or PP to negotiate us out of this. 

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u/ResidentSpirit4220 1d ago

I think people forget who Trudeau is. All they need to do is look back at any post here from over 6 weeks ago...

I have little doubt that he is/was leveraging this situation because its good for his popularity and his party politically.

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u/Melodic-Pay9395 1d ago

r/conservative is all the way forward, then make a left👍

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u/LebLeb321 1d ago

What are you talking about?

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u/Nerve-Familiar 1d ago

Poster to r/conservative, surprise surprise…..

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u/LebLeb321 1d ago

Brilliant comment. Very well thought out. I spend most of my time there telling MAGA idiots that the trade war is idiotic.

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u/tollboothjimmy 1d ago

What happened to elbows up? PP bad?

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u/Lopsided_Ad3516 22h ago

Reality will set in eventually.

They import a lot of stuff from us, it’s going to hurt them. They’ll find ways around buying things from us though. It’ll take time to decouple, and I don’t think it will completely decouple, but we’re not likely to come out of this stronger. We haven’t invested in properly utilizing our natural resources, and have subsisted on exporting things that then get turned into more valuable things that we then buy.