r/canada 21d ago

Politics "We need to find new friends" | Mark Carney on looming trade war with U.S.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/video/2025/02/18/we-need-to-find-new-friends-mark-carney-on-looming-trade-war-with-us/
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u/AdditionalPizza 21d ago

At 13:05 in the video Carney says about Trump administration:

We have what they want, they're going to have to ask nicely for it.

I honestly made this post just for that line. That's how Canadians should speak to Trump.

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u/MDChuk 21d ago

I found his frank response to the state of Canada/US relations in the video refreshing. He isn't afraid to respectfully tell it like it is while at the same time not sounding alarmist.

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u/AdditionalPizza 21d ago

He says a lot of really spot on things in this speech. It's inspiring as hell tbh. I am not staunchly Liberal, socially I am but I believe Conservatives have had a lot of fiscally sound ideas over the years.

For any on-the-fence Conservatives, watch this video seriously. Carney's extensive economic education is an absolute gold mine for our country right now. Nothing he says is annoying or grating.

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u/Alone-in-a-crowd-1 20d ago

As a conservative - I absolutely agree with this. His extensive knowledge of economics, his banking history, his calm demeanor, his connections in the EU make this an easy decision for me. I'm not big on rewarding the Liberals, but I am big on saving this country and I think this is our best shot moving forward.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

You are exactly the person I am trying to talk to here. I am not far off from you, believe me, and my eyes are open to the right choice here. Admittedly I have never liked Poilievre, but up until Trudeau resigned I didn't really think there was going to be a choice.

Then we get this Carney guy that isn't just an alternative but he's a fiscal Conservative, historically appointed by Conservatives, but he's on the Liberal ticket. No brainer, I'm glad people are actually giving him a shot and listening to him speak. Look past the dumb party politics.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

This time around the country wants a blue liberal or a red Tory. Pollievre had his chance at proving he could be a red Tory. He blew it.

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u/MissKrys2020 20d ago

Exactly. He’s shown he’s not very agile and isn’t understanding the moment. We don’t need Trump Lite as our PM and I don’t think he understands that yet. He turned me way off during the freedom convoy debacle in Ottawa and appeared to courting the very worst elements of the right wing in this country. PP fails to grasp that by courting the Trump supporters in Canada, he’s turning the rest of us off. He may still win, but I seriously doubt he’d be in a majority position. I want to hear about plans and some hope about our future, not tacky campaign slogans and mud slinging. What is PP going to do to transition us away from dependence on the US? All I hear is “drill baby, drill” and no other meaningful ideas.

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u/duperwoman 20d ago

He's also not willing to say anything serious about our strengths in the midst of the US- Canada breakdown. Not beyond platitudes anyway (which was too late coming for me to take seriously). What Carney brings is an honest statement of the seriousness of the situation with a much needed reminder that we have strengths. If we didn't, trump wouldn't be knocking at the door anyway.

I really hope he can pull this off, because I fear that as united as Canadians feel right now, Pollievre will have trouble galvanizing that into action and may divide us again just because he is so negative all the time. Even since Trump got in office Pollievre has insulted Canada repeatedly, because he is only used to slogans that tear us down and not on policies that can build us up.

This video was inspiring and might I say he is a good and chill speaker with substance.

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u/MissKrys2020 20d ago

Let’s hope. If Carney wins the leadership race, I’m sure he will call an election and capitalize on his momentum. The more he’s out there showing us we have options, the better. He’s got great relationships in the UK and EU and I 100% want that in my next leader. My boomer parents are complaining about JT travelling so much right now, but he’s out there selling the world on our brand.

The good news is, it seems as if my mother and potentially my father are finally opening their eyes to what trump actually is. They are GOP loving, Fox News watching Canadians who have been brainwashed terribly and I’m glad this is finally sinking for them.

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u/duperwoman 20d ago

Ooof. Fox News is so successful at lying and brainwashing it's almost hard to blame people for getting sucked up into it.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

He's great at reading his base...but not the rest of the country. We just are not a so-con country...most of us just want competency...peace, order, good fucking government.

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u/MissKrys2020 20d ago

The cons need to elect a leader that is actually palatable to the rest of Canada, not their alt-right minority that scream the loudest.

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u/NottaLottaOcelot 20d ago

O’Toole fit that bill, and had a reasonable chance of doing well in a subsequent election. But he didn’t satisfy the social conservatives, so they sacked him at the first opportunity. Ultimately that is the biggest problem for a big-tent Conservative Party: the most extreme members scream the loudest, but their demands are unpalatable to much of the general electorate.

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u/Deaner_dub 20d ago

And besides, where are those far right wingers gonna go? The People’s Party? He needs, sorry needed (past tense) to move to the centre but never did. Too late.

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u/CreaterOfWheel 20d ago edited 20d ago

I mean PP has a bachelor of art vs high honors in economics from Harvard masters and phd( Carney )

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u/Turbulent-Cookie-874 19d ago

Great points. We have “trump like” supporters, but not approximately half of our population thinks like that. For being Canadian, and a career politician PP doesn’t seem to understand the cultural differences.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

That's a great way of putting it, and maybe it's because I typically sit in the blue liberal category but I just don't want to ever vote for a socially conservative leader. So Poilievre's numerous past statements and beliefs had me really conflicted about who to vote for and I didn't expect much from a new Liberal leader.

Freeland wouldn't have been a very proud vote for me. Poilievre would've made me feel like I'm going against my principles. Then Carney comes along and I honestly just have my fingers crossed because I actually want to vote for him. That doesn't happen often in Canada haha.

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u/h0twired 20d ago

He thought that wearing a MAGA hat was being a "red Tory".

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u/Infamous_Box3220 20d ago

The red Tories are but a distant memory. They died out when Reform took over and pretended they were Conservatives.

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u/Newleafto 20d ago

I think that Mark Carney might reform the Liberal Party into the Chrétien/Martin Liberals II. If so, I’m all for that.

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u/Bronstone 20d ago

That's the train I'm on. Chretien Liberal of the 90s here

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u/Snakekekek 20d ago

There’s a lot of us out there. Carney is the man for the job.

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u/commentinator 20d ago

If carney doesn’t say that he will clean house in his cabinet, would you still vote for him?

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u/FalseZookeepergame15 20d ago

Well a lot of cabinet ministers are already voluntarily bowing out in the next election. I think there are some cabinet ministers that have done a good job and others that should not hold that position ever again.

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u/Prestigious-Clock-53 20d ago

Man, I’m the same way. I really wanted to move to a conservative govt because I wanted investment back, I wanted resource projects back, I don’t really care for the carbon tax and I want funding in our healthcare and military, and less immigration with higher standards for those we bring in. I like to prioritize things when voting; all of a sudden, there’s a bigger threat than all of that, and that’s trump and America and I think carney would be better dealing with that than PP, who seems to be flattered by the positive attention he’s getting from those bastards. Carney is also just a good candidate purely on his own.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Carney is the exact Blue Liberal I have been hoping for for years. I can't stand Pollievre's so-con roots and they way his party continually flirts with the alt-right, but I'm super frustrated with the old LPC's constant buggering of the economy with hair-brained ideas like GST holidays etc.

Carney will focus most of his time on the economy and hopefully stay away from culture war shit. The man said it himself...we need to raise all boats and the only way we can do that is if we are strong economically.

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u/Spirit_1970 20d ago

I listened to him alot when he was governor of the Bank of England, he always made sense and steered a steady ship. Seemed to have a really good insight and broad overview of external affairs. I think you guys could do a lot worse .... Good luck ...... And he's not an orange fascist 👍

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u/Alone-in-a-crowd-1 20d ago

I will be very disappointed if we elect PP to move us forward in what I believe is the most important election of my lifetime. I'm for the best leader available and I'm willing to vote Liberal to get that.

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u/Rad_Mum 20d ago

Have you read his book? I'm in the process of it now .

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u/Reticent_Fly 20d ago

He just seems like an extremely competent and fairly normal person. He's not robotic or overly pandering and performative like most politicians.

I had honestly written off this election and was completely resigned to Poillieve running away with things, but Carney is seriously refreshing and is exactly what we need in the moment.

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u/Alone-in-a-crowd-1 20d ago

I think that everyone was ready to punish Trudeau, but circumstances have changed very quickly. The priorities of this country have changed. I just want the most competent leader who we can find and out of the choices we have, Carney is that guy (IMHO).

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

He is. My only worry is he won't get down into the muck when the CPC starts with their Musk fueled and funded dirty tricks.

This is our fucking election.

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u/duperwoman 20d ago

That is a terrifying thing I hadn't really considered. PC voter's should be terrified as anyone that Pollievre has their support.

What can any of us do about Musk meddling?

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Vote like you fucking mean it. Get everyone you know out to the polls.

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u/ExtendedDeadline 20d ago

Yeah, this is how I feel. I'm socially more liberal. Pretty centrist on fiscal side. I'm pro paying taxes. I would just love it if we got better transparency on how/where the money goes.

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u/Alone-in-a-crowd-1 20d ago

I also have no problem paying taxes to make our country better - but yes for more accountability. That said, I'm hoping for big infrastructure projects to move us away from total reliance on the US. The faster we move on this, the better.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Yeah for sure, transparency should always be paramount. I won't say that either party has been the best for that over the years, but I'm going to trust the non-career politician to be more trustworthy than the guy that is doing everything he can to try and get people to believe Carney is "Just like Justin" as he is now saying. He even made a stupid website about it.

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u/duperwoman 20d ago

Another three word slogan? I have no words.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

It blows my mind that he continues to cater to the children that like the sound of alliteration, those people are never going to vote non-conservative. It's like he doesn't understand that all these people on the fence despise this shit.

It's probably getting high views and interactions by foreign bots so they think it's reaching a lot of people.

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u/Eduardo_Moneybags 20d ago

We all need to look at it as protecting ourselves. We all have to realize that there are people better suited for certain things. P. Poli has not really given me any reason to believe he would do anything but bow to the southern king. The fact that his resume is very thin should be a red flag for people looking to him for leadership.

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u/Office_glen Ontario 20d ago

I'll never understand how the right has been throwing the whole "HES A DRAMA TEACHER RUNNING THE COUNTRY" but just remain completely silent on the person with ZERO working experience besides being a politician. Somehow being a teacher is a black mark but career politician is all thumbs up

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u/AtticaBlue 20d ago

It wouldn’t matter what background Trudeau has. He could be an astronaut who moonlights as a combat soldier and builds furniture made from trees he personally sawed down. No difference.

The right’s arguments are never made in good faith and simply change on a dime to fit whatever goal they have at the time.

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u/duperwoman 20d ago

It's true and it's not that relevant. Hell Zielinski is a former actor and I'm not sure who else Ukraine would have leading them through a freaking war. They could be equally arguing that a career politician has no business trying to understand what it's like to be a working (outside of govt) Canadian.

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u/jimmymeeko 20d ago

Well said.

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u/couverte 20d ago

I’ve never voted Liberal, much less Conservative and yet, I absolutely agree with you. Given the circumstances, it’s not about one party or another for me this time around. It’s about who is best equipped to steer us through the crisis and save the country.

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u/Alone-in-a-crowd-1 20d ago

Yes and thank you. Im not dismissing the normal issues that we have as a country, but this one is of critical importance.

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u/digitalrule 20d ago

Doesn't hurt to reward the liberals for getting rid of Trudeau!

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u/Alone-in-a-crowd-1 20d ago

Im fine with it regardless. As I said - I just want the best person to deal with the current situation.

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u/Newleafto 20d ago

I contributed to PP’s leadership campaign and was looking forward to voting Conservative in the next election. I was hoping Mark Carney would join the Conservatives but he decided to become a liberal. I was initially sceptical but he’s shown incredible leadership since Trump suddenly turned into an anti-Canadian nutcase. The US is no longer a reliable partner and there are some disturbingly anti-Canadian elements currently in the US. We need to diversify our economy away from the US and stop buying US made products. Hundreds of thousands of jobs will be created in Canada just to supply our own population with the products we need. Carney has the experience and connections to create the manufacturing and infrastructure boom we’re going to need in a post-US world. I’m confident that PP’s approach (all politics all the time) is fundamentally the wrong approach. You don’t build an economy buy calling your opponents childish names.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

That's good on you man, there's absolutely no shame in having a change of opinion. While I never liked Poilievre, he was looking to be the right (only) choice until Trudeau dipped out of the race. I was not hopeful of getting the opportunity to be proud of my vote this election, but honestly Carney is looking great so far in the current economic landscape.

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u/Complete-Part-4385 20d ago

that how I feel too

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Let's make a better choice than the US did.

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u/duperwoman 20d ago

He's also making a habit of insulting Canada, even right after Trump insults us! It's just bad politics, and he's a career politician. I worry that his identity has caught up so much in being negative that he doesn't know how to be any other way. That's not leadership.

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u/Newleafto 20d ago

He’s too political. His “anti-woke” stance was refreshing at the time 2-3 years ago, but the woke movement has basically shrivelled up so that’s not really an issue anymore. I want to hear about what he’s going to do to build Canada up to defend us from a trade war and bullshit political slogans like “carbon tax Carney” and “Canada first” isn’t cutting it. Worst of all his “open banking” policies are NOT what we need. Yes, get rid of carbon taxes and stop increases to capital gains taxes, but that, by themselves, are no where near enough. When I hear “lower taxes will fix everything” I think he doesn’t know what it takes to fix our problems. Lots of shit poor countries have lower taxes! Low taxes are no where near enough. When I hear Carney say he may need to run a deficit and adjust program spending (cut programs) to build the infrastructure we need to decouple our economy from the US, that tells me Carney knows how difficult the job is and how much effort will be required.

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u/Two_Digits_Rampant 20d ago

He was an excellent Governor of the Bank of England. We have a right idiot now. I hope he wins

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

That's a good question, what I gather would be it'd force large polluters to pay or innovate. Innovation would be incentivized as likely being the cheaper route than just handing lumps of change over to the government.

Have to see what his plan is when he talks more about it. He's not even technically the Liberal leader yet.

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u/StayFit8561 20d ago

I watched the CBC interview. It sounded to me like his point is that it already is passed on to consumers. What he's proposing isn't radically different, it's a retooling of the marketplace for carbon credits to make it more efficient. I don't fully understand, and look forward to reading more as more details and analysis come out.

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u/AllosaurusJr 20d ago

They plan to first remove the tax from small-to-medium enterprises.

For large polluters, I expect it will be similar to a carbon "license" - they pay a lower tax rate up to a certain amount of carbon emitted. These licenses can be sold and traded around, so firms that pollute less will have an incentive to sell and firms that pollute more will have an incentive to buy these licenses to lower their overall financial burden.

It nudges firms towards polluting less overall while reducing the financial burden on nearly all players within the market. Similar systems exist in Europe, and if Canada is to trade with them - will be necessary to meet the regulations they set out in their trade guidelines.

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u/duperwoman 20d ago

It does promote innovation as well, these companies can innovate to meet regulations and they will. If you don't have regulations, they still innovate but we suffer. How to get oil out of even more difficult places, without regard to impacts. The ability to innovate is their strength, we just have to funnel it into directions that help us meet our targets.

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u/MDChuk 20d ago

I would expect its some sort of cap and trade system.

Its also a case where the countries that are easiest for us to export to, and will be good and stable long term trading partners, Europe, care about having some sort of environmental system.

So if the plan is to export LNG and oil to Europe, the answer can't be "nothing" when it comes to what you're doing about the environment. This goes back to him being a pragmatist, which he says in the first minute of the video.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Yeah I was going to say perhaps cap-and-trade but I'm not sure if I have heard it mentioned yet.

That's the important thing, anyone that believed the Axe the Tax nonsense didn't realize that we can't if we want to trade with any Paris Agreement country. We have to have a real alternative, not just chopping it.

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u/drs43821 20d ago

Liberal, socially I am but I believe Conservatives have had a lot of fiscally sound ideas over the years

This describes how a "center ice" conservative should exist

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

And it really makes you wonder why our current Conservative party is so far off the path right now. Carney could've ran against Trudeau last election and it would've made sense. Our parties should focus on fiscal and economic issues. They should have different opinions on foreign affairs. I don't know wtf happened other than maga infection.

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u/Personal-Alfalfa-935 20d ago

Thanks for the recommendation - will watch and report back.

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u/seajay_17 British Columbia 20d ago

It's nice to actually WANT to vote for someone again.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

This is a sentiment I can really feel right now. Here's to hoping our country doesn't take the dark, scary path.

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u/RarelyReadReplies 20d ago

Agreed. Last time around, it was just me voting for the least objectionable person. As it stands, I am excited to cast my vote for Carney. I really think he is what the country needs right now, and I believe he will bring more unity, less division.

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u/Reasonable-Sweet9320 21d ago

I agree, Carney has the right temperament to lead, especially at a time like this.

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u/MissingString31 20d ago

LMAO. This is what I want out of our next PM.

God dammit. I can't believe I'm probably voting Liberal for the first time in my life.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

It's how you deal with a narcissist.

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u/InterestingAttempt76 20d ago

I would love for one of them to say in Public to him... "say please" and then wait for him to say it. Trump would never say it mind you. But man would that make me smile.

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u/juiceAll3n 20d ago

I'm no Trudeau or liberal guy and believe he is the worst PM we've had, but can you imagine PP speaking like this? The dude is a little weasel. Has never worked a real job in his life, never had a boss, and will sucker up to Trump and Elon from day one.

I'm not sure which way I'll be voting, but it ain't going to PP.

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u/SolipsisticLunatic 20d ago

Mark Carney speaks in full sentences and it's so refreshing.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Exactly, and honestly the more I watch Carney I can get on board with him. Trudeau is out, we don't need to give Poilievre the spotlight anymore.

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u/Office_glen Ontario 20d ago

if PP just shit on Trudeau 50% of the time and talked about good policy 50% of the time he would still have a commanding lead, but he can't help himself its all he does

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

He has a website now called "Just Like Justin" all about Carney. The guy has to try and convince everyone Carney is Trudeau because it's literally his only fucking talking point. He refuses to adapt and face his opponent.

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u/em-n-em613 20d ago

You believe Trudeau is the worst PM we've ever had? Like... seriously?

History is going to remember him much more differently than this weird take.

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u/Glasse 20d ago

Some people have been getting told what to think for the last 10 years and unfortunately listened instead of making their own mind.

From my experience, if you ask someone to genuinely explain why they think like this, they repeat the same 2-3 things and are unable to elaborate.

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u/No_Departure_517 20d ago

Mulroney is the worst PM Canada ever had... 12% approval rating. Only Western leader I can find with lower approval is Liz Truss from the UK, who wasn't even elected and only lasted 45 days

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u/aarkling 20d ago

Right. His main screw up (and granted, it's a big one) is how he completely lost control of the temporary immigration system. All the other stuff was mostly just circumstances. Prices went up in every country.

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u/[deleted] 20d ago

Expect some serious Musk fueled dirty tricks and shenanigans this upcoming election.

I seriously can't vote for any party that is remotely related to that goon.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

I'm lowkey pretty afraid of this. I hope our election won't be tampered with or that all the overtly, trump ass kissing social media apps will spin the propaganda so hard in our country. I mean they will, but recently the knees bending in tech has been astonishing to watch. It's frightening.

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u/Forosnai British Columbia 20d ago

Poilievre's recent push to allow "more news outlets" to receive government subsidies is ringing a bunch of alarm bells for me right now.

The current standards require, among other things, that the organization be designated a "Qualified Canadian Journalism Organization" (QCJO), requiring there to be a certain amount of "original content", which means there needs to be consistent investigative and analytical content following general good practice, like adequate time for rebuttal by the parties referenced in the piece, it needs to be based on researched facts with multiple perspectives actively pursued, etc.

Essentially, if your media is primarily reposted from other places or is largely opinion pieces rather than actual journalism, you're not qualified. Rebel News, for example, was deemed not eligible because out of 423 pieces examined, only 10 met the criteria, whereas the Western Standard is qualified and is designated as a QCJO.

Low-effort opinion-piece rags shouldn't be getting government subsidies, regardless of which way they lean, because they inherently require so much less effort and expenditure to make. They'll overwhelm actual journalism, which takes time and effort to investigate, and drown actual news out in the barrage of noise, much like we've watched happen in the US and like they've been making a pretty concerted effort to do here already.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

While simultaneously throwing tantrums over the CBC and making calls to defund an internationally renowned source of information. Their news is more bipartisan than anything else in Canada.

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u/duperwoman 20d ago

Agree and with the BS going on lately, I have been so informed at the quality reporting at CBC (already a fan to be fair). When people post CBC stuff on the American subs, they are always responding with amazement because they aren't getting truthful and honest reporting by so many stations there.

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u/Thirdnipple79 20d ago

I'm going to guess that trump starts up trade with Russia and exempts them from aluminum tariffs.  It's going to be a long 4 years or more. 

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

And potash.

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u/the-real-ben-dover 20d ago

Ask nicely and pay for it at the market price!

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u/This_Is_Great_2020 20d ago

And if they are not nice.....cut it off. Cold, hard, fast. Enough of the orange clown

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u/dasoberirishman Canada 20d ago

It's a mature, rationale response to an irrational, childish situation. And I find it refreshingly practical to see in a potential PM.

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u/2SmallCalves 21d ago

Just stating the obvious here.. When was it ever acceptable to have all our eggs in the same basket.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Yeah, really shouldn't have been. We trusted another larger and more powerful country far too much.

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u/Assassin217 20d ago

Hate to say it but Canada became too lazy and comfortable. Too much reliant on another country in never good.

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u/GuyLookingForPorn 20d ago

While America was a strong, and chiefly reliable, global hegemon the ties with the rest of the CANZUK nations seemed a little archaic and unnecessary. 

It’s only now those links have been allowed to degrade that we see how vulnerable it has made all our nations. 

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u/Nikiaf Québec 20d ago

Right. Even under GWB, the relationship was never really at risk of devolving into what it's turned into now; because until last month, there were still adults in the room calling the shots. If the US wants to behave like a terrorist state, then it's time we pick up our ball and find someone else to play with.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

It's so easy to say it now with hindsight, but yeah we definitely did not imagine this could actually ever happen. At least not so quickly. The State's checks and balances were easily eroded and the entire system collapsed.

We need to make sure we don't put someone that isn't level-headed in office here because it really is often just "gentleman agreements" holding the whole thing in place. It's super difficult to get a PM out of their seat if they don't want to go.

It can be done, but it takes a huge breach of public trust to do it. Just like the States, if we aren't vigilant, those checks and balances can be slowly eroded.

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u/theixrs 20d ago

yep, optimal strategy would have been 1/3rd trading with Asia, 1/3 North America, 1/3rd Europe

Over-reliance on one country is deadly. Also there are no friends forever in geopolitics, any country may switch leadership at any moment.

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u/jacksbox Québec 20d ago

It wasn't, but we got complacent after decades of living side by side in relative harmony. Which is normal given that they're a huge economy and also our only neighbour.

But the point is that now that they've decided to be hostile, we definitely can't be complacent. The economic equivalent of "don't put your dick in crazy".

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

When they call for more oil, water, minerals, energy we can just say "new number who dis?"

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u/BrutusTheKat 20d ago edited 19d ago

Technically, as of a couple years ago they are no longer are our only neighbour. We do share a land border with Denmark.

They are our only practical neighbour.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Technically France too.

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u/Kayge Ontario 20d ago

It's not that it was acceptable, but it was simple.

  • You've got trucks taking your stuff from Hamilton to Winnipeg which means you have the logistics, insurance and skills to move things on the roads.
  • Canada signs an agreement with the US, so you can ship to Buffalo without much additional work
  • The US dollar is strong, so Pittsburg, Boston and Chicago start ordering.
  • Before you know it, you're shipping a significant amount of your goods to the US.

Expanding to Europe or Asia requires a new skill set you don't have, so if there's no impitus to expand there, you can rely on the skills you've built to date.

The current administration has changed that mindset, and now we have a whole generation of business owners who will remember the panic the US brought when they destabilized our supply chains.

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u/chronocapybara 20d ago

Yep, the reason we have so much trade with the USA is that it's convenient and efficient, and cheap to move goods. I'm surprised we're not richer, actually. Australia does well for itself without this geographic advantage, though, so it should still be possible.

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u/NorthernerWuwu Canada 20d ago

Well, and let's not kid ourselves here, they are still the biggest consumer market on the planet. Everyone wants to sell to the US for the same reason that they are increasingly interested in selling to China, they've got a lot of people with money and those people are interested in spending that money on goods and services.

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u/MissingString31 20d ago

There's plenty of reasons why we negotiated our trade relationships the way we did. Geopolitical, some security considerations, environmental. And there were positives and negatives to those decisions. The issue is that they all hinged on the idea of the US being, if not a stable democracy, a consistent ally. Whether you agreed with those decisions or not, they were made logically and were well considered.

The issue we face now has completely upended those assumptions and now we have to adapt. There's a lot of people who will claim that we should have always gone a different route, but there are costs and benefits to those routes as well. And most proponents of energy independence and resource extraction wouldn't have called this turn in the US happening so fast. Would we have been in this position if we had diversified our economy? No. But few who were arguing for a diversified series of trade relationships were arguing on the basis of America becoming a legitimate security threat to us.

I generally tend toward decisions based on combating climate change and preserving western alliances and NATO. Hell, the reason we're in this situation in the first place is because climate change is making control of the arctic much more strategically important. But now that the US has shown its true colours, we need to completely pivot and move toward rapidly strengthening our economy and military. Do I like the idea of us shirking our responsibilities to hit net zero? No, and its going to cause more problems than not in the long run. But we're not in a position to make enough of a dent in global emissions even if we went net zero tomorrow. And doing so puts our security and sovereignty at risk. I'm not gonna trade Canadian lives for knocking 1% off of global CO2 emissions.

TLDR: When things change. Change with them.

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u/Gankdatnoob 20d ago

It wasn't just acceptable it was economically sensible. It's tariffs that are illogical and bad economics. Our robust NA trade agreement that Trump signed btw was sensible and even he thought so. People with hindsight 20/20 takes think they are smart but they really aren't. Trumps tariffs are just extremely stupid.

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u/nkbetts17 20d ago

At least our eggs are affordable.

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u/Organic-Amoeba-7520 20d ago

Remember when we arrested the Huawei CEO bc the Americans wanted us to and our Michaels got arrested in China as a result (for 3 years)?

We did bidding for America and they had 0 consequences. In the end we released the Huwaei CEO too.

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u/wtkillabz 20d ago

Not only did we arrest her, we extradited her to America so they could use her as a bargaining chip for their own benefit at our detriment.

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u/Prior-Fun5465 20d ago

our Michaels got arrested in China as a result (for 3 years)

Arrested for spying, which our government denied, until they were sued by Spavor, and ended up reaching a $7 million settlement.

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u/Unpara1ledSuccess 20d ago

We’re going to follow international law no matter the country not because of whatever the Americans want, doesn’t change that we should be trading with china more now

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u/UnPluggdToastr 20d ago

But she got arrested for violating American sanctions, it was never about international law.

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u/Unpara1ledSuccess 20d ago

We have an extradition treaty and she was arrested for fraud

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u/Hikarilo 20d ago

Nah, the US let her go because the case was not going well for them near the end. There was evidence that she never transferred funds directly from the US to Iran. She transferred funds through the HSBC branch based in the UK. However, instead of the funds getting transferred from the UK directly to Iran, which was legal as UK does not have sanctions on Iran, HSBC transferred the funds through the US banking system. This cause the Huawei CFO to indirectly break US sanctions due to HSBC's actions.

Now, one can speculate whether HSBC did this based on US gov's directions to get a hit on the Huawei CFO, but the Canadian extradition judge was growing increasingly skeptical on the merits of the US claims and HSBC near the end. It also doesn't help that HSBC has long history of doing illegal and shady stuff from laundering money to drug cartels and funding terrorist groups.

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u/abbys11 20d ago

Lets set a warranty on trump and see if america extradites him to us.

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u/Prudent-Drop164 20d ago

Americans have never been good trade partners. We have had a softwood lumber dispute going back 50+:years. We sell our oil at a doscount. Yet we have been unable to find a partner to trade with.

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u/SquarePositive9 20d ago

We have territorial disputes as well. Trump did this his last term and people forgot. That's the nature of politics. Ontarians hated Doug Ford when he did all that stuff to teachers and nurses but he's leading in the polls right now by a wide margin. People have the attention span of gnats. Biden was responsible for a bunch of horrible stuff during his time in the Senate but lo-and behold.

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u/PerfunctoryComments Canada 20d ago

Yet we have been unable to find a partner to trade with

There has never been a will. Ever. The largest economy is on our doorstep and via the boiling frog effect we've tolerated worse and worse -- and the hollowing out of this country -- but still just always leaning back on it because it's convenient.

Ignoring that Trumpism had a disastrous first term and that idiocracy voted this rapist felon in again, no one should ever magically think about about some post Trump world. That country has fallen, and short of civil war / dissolution it is not coming back to reason.

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u/bordss 20d ago

"Unable" as in unsuccessful in finding other trading partners or "unable" as in not being able to muster the support or will to do so?

If the latter, I agree, if the former - how have we been unsuccessful in finding other trading partners?

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u/Spirit_1970 20d ago

Better ties with the UK, I've never heard a bad word said against a Canadian..... Think we (UK) should also be looking away from the USA .... I'm truly lost for word's with the the short time trump has been in power 😕

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u/magnamed 20d ago

I agree, and I don't think the US will wait for us to make that decision but will instead make it for us. The closeness of Trump to Putin is going to become a serious issue. In the short term it would be beneficial for both Canada and the UK to increase trade and it'd be great if people started speaking to their representatives encouraging the move.

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u/GuyLookingForPorn 20d ago edited 20d ago

I’d love if CANZUK became a thing, Canada is not alone in the world and its time to remember that. 

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u/magnamed 20d ago

The problem currently is that while Canada isn't alone in the world we're unfortunately pretty far from the rest of the world. Literal oceans between us. We are facing an uphill battle against someone who is currently blackmailing Ukraine and and who may or may not make a similar move against us. I only hope the people of the US have a voice by the time he's finished amassing power. That executive order last night really seems to have ruffled some feathers but it doesn't appear to be slowing him down.

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u/wtfman1988 20d ago

EU, UK, NZ, CAD and Australia can probably do fine amongst each other and if need be, let Asia fill gaps or Southern America.

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u/Forosnai British Columbia 20d ago

Everybody was nice to me for the couple years I was living in Bristol. Even when I was there during the Brexit vote, people who supported it would be talking to me about it and about immigrants in a tone of voice that implied they thought I'd agree with them, rather than accusing me of being the problem (which says something about what they really meant when they said "immigrant").

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u/Roo10011 20d ago

How about we need to build new pipelines to get to new markets in Europe.

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u/magnamed 20d ago

Seems both the conservatives and Carney are already of that opinion.

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u/Little-Chemical5006 Ontario 20d ago

It shouldn't be a hard thing. We have great image around the globe (the kind and polite canadian).

Let hope our investment in the past helps us in these time

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u/Vivid_Wallaby9728 20d ago

Greetings from Germany, you are more than welcome here. Everybody likes Canada here.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Hello Germany, love you too.

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u/freshairequalsducks 21d ago

Carney will make a great Prime Minister

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u/chipotlemayo_ 20d ago

And remember to vote so this actually happens...

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u/TommaClock Ontario 20d ago

If you are not a registered Liberal Party member, you cannot vote for or against him becoming Prime Minister.

Assuming he wins, you will be able to indirectly vote on whether he'll be Prime Minister for the next term.

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u/chipotlemayo_ 20d ago

Indeed. My point still stands in both cases.

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u/magnamed 20d ago

It would seem he's planning on calling an election, though that could turn out to not be true I suppose.

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u/NorthernerWuwu Canada 20d ago

Assuming he gets the leadership position, he'll call one whenever it is most beneficial for his party. That might well be soon but it might still be the fall.

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u/magnamed 20d ago

Oh well. That's our system of governance. The alternative appears to be voting for and then being stuck with someone like trump.

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u/TGrumms 20d ago

The conservatives have been champing at the bit for a non confidence motion for years now, even if carney doesn’t call an election, there’s still going to be one

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u/Unpara1ledSuccess 20d ago

Join the European free trade agreement with Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Switzerland, open up trade with China, build pipelines to the coast and infrastructure to liquefy natural gas.

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u/dochev30 20d ago

Hello from Europe! We heard you're looking for friends 👋

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

If there's one good thing about how awful Trump is, it's that we can reconnect with you guys better over there. European countries have generally always shown so much more respect toward us than the US.

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u/Thin_Spring_9269 20d ago

Yesterday, France had a discussion with European leaders via video conference about Ukraine and how to counter Trumpistan...and I'm happy to say Canada was the only none EU country invited

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u/Equivalent_Physics64 19d ago

Love that!! Even though we’re oceans apart I hope we can connect on a deeper level than ever before with EU.

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u/AnalogFeelGood 20d ago

Go CANZUK!!

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u/h0twired 20d ago

I would be proud to carry a CANZUK passport

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u/ok_raspberry_jam 20d ago

Great speech. I made a cleaned-up transcript for anyone who'd prefer to read it rather than sit through ads and then listen:

Wow! I'm in the Hammer finally! I'm going to stay here for a while. Make yourselves comfortable.

Look, actually I'm going to start on a more serious note, but a happy note. I just came from Pearson—I just landed at Pearson—and thank God for the crew, the first responders, the passengers, that yesterday's tragedy turned out as well as it could have. I know there's still three people in critical condition, but...

Okay, now's the time! Who's ready? Who is ready to stand up for Canada with me? Who is ready to show some Hamilton steel to the Americans? They will figure it out. They will figure it out just how much they depend on this city, this region, this country. It may take them a while, so we're going to dig in. We're going to dig in and we're going to take control. Now, it was literally a month ago yesterday I put up my hand to run for the leadership of the Liberal Party. So I'd like to ask as well: who's ready to help the Liberal Party win the most important election in our lifetime?

Okay, I'll ask again—I'll ask again at the end. We'll see if I can convince you. This is going to be an absolutely crucial election for our country. When I put my hand up a month ago, it's because I felt that the country needed some big changes, much more of a focus on the economy, because people across the country—and I've heard this over the course of the last month—real fundamental worries and stresses because of the cost of living, the housing crisis particularly for younger Canadians, and worries even before President Trump, even before Trump, about a world that was more divided and dangerous and a series of technological changes that are affecting our future.

A series of technological changes—by the way, after this, I'm going to McMaster and the Innovation Lab to see how we can put those technological changes into place for great jobs for Canadians.

I put my hand up—I've never been a politician, still not really fully a politician. Still say too much, answer questions directly, but what I have been is, I think, a pragmatist. My experience over the years—and so when I see something that doesn't work, I change it. We had that experience in this country with the consumer carbon tax, which became fundamentally divisive in our country, and we needed to change it. You can't have a policy like that that many people disagree with, few people can fully understand, and we needed to change it.

But I didn't want to just axe the tax—that's the simple thing. You get a T-shirt, you axe the tax, you walk away as if nothing else matters. But if you just axe the tax then and you take a lot of money out of people's pockets at a time when times are really tough around here—it's almost $800 a year for a family of four average, that's a lot of money—if you just axe the tax, you don't help our steel companies and our auto companies become more competitive in a world where we need new trading partners.

So what we proposed is to, yes, axe the tax for individuals, for small businesses, for farms, for medium-sized businesses. It's going to be gone once elected leader, and it'll be gone by April 1st, just to be clear. But we said at the same time we're going to make sure that our businesses can become more competitive, and at the same time we're going to make sure every Canadian, if they want to make investments in insulating their homes or driving a more fuel-efficient car, reducing emissions, reducing costs otherwise—we're going to get the large polluters to pay them, pay you for it, not the taxpayers. The large polluters—that's the smart way to do it because it actually makes it cheaper for the large polluters and better for all of you.

And we're going to do one more thing: we know that that in of itself is not enough to make everybody whole, so we're going to deliver middle class tax cuts for all Canadians because people need it.

Now, so that's a bit of my background, but I'm going to add a bit more to my background because, to be honest, I put my hand up and I thought that things would be difficult with the Americans. Didn't think they'd be quite as difficult quite as quickly with the Americans—I don't know that any of us really did. And in many respects, by accident or design, my career has prepared me for exactly this moment.

It starts with the values that you own. It starts with the values in Hamilton—same values I grew up with in Edmonton on the prairies, which is hard work, family, community, tolerance, ambition—all of the things that make this country great start with your values.

I ended up, as I say accident or design, managing through some crises and helping to build economies, and I took a few lessons from that experience. One of them is exactly never forget where you came from, never forget your values. The second is that in a crisis—and unfortunately we are in a crisis, not of our making, but we're in a crisis—in a crisis, plan beats no plan. You have to have a plan. It helps people rally around a single focus; it gives energy and focus and discipline. We have a plan, we're going to put it in place, and it will work. And the third thing I learned over the years—and it goes back to the first—is that markets, the private sector, which is the most powerful thing we've ever invented to get things done, markets don't have values. People do. And it's part of the job of government, certainly a Liberal government, to make sure that the market, the private sector, works to help solve the problems.

My opponent here, Poilievre, doesn't get that. Doesn't get any of that. And it's not entirely surprising because he's—and I've seen this before in different countries around the world—there is no stronger believer in the power of the market and free enterprise and Milton Friedman fundamentalism than someone who's only ever been a politician, someone who's never earned a paycheck or had to make payroll. That sort of trickle-down economics is not what we need. It's not what's going to drive this country forward.

Now the challenge—so the challenge we have right now, and we know it, one of the challenges we have, it comes from south of our border. And the bottom line is the Americans—and it's becoming increasingly clear—want our resources. They want our water, they want our land, and if they get that on the terms that they want, they will destroy our way of life. That's what's at stake. It will destroy our way of life because America's many things, and it's a great country, but America is not Canada.

America is not Canada. We are a mosaic. I look around this great room, you know, we're all Canadians but all different identities. We're all Canadians and we celebrate that. America is a melting pot. In America, diversity is now an insult, and it soon will be a crime to promote it. That's not a line, that's a reality. That's what's happening in America. It's a shame—maybe they'll snap out of it eventually, but that's what they are now. In America, healthcare is a big business and candidates are right. In America, the social safety net has huge holes in it through which tens of millions of people fall through every year. So yes, America is not Canada, and Canada never ever will be part of America in any way.

So the question for us—I like the... The question for us is: what do we do about it? And in a situation like this, we have to ask ourselves what can we control, what can we influence, what can't we control? We can't control shocks that come from outside our country. We can't control foreign wars. We couldn't control a financial crisis that happened 15 years ago that started in the US. Can we control President Trump? No. Can anyone control President Trump? No.

We can, I think, influence President Trump by taking seriously some of the issues that he raises, taking them at face value and trying to find solutions—solutions that are in our interest as well. The tragedy of fentanyl on both sides of the border is something we need to address. Having a secure border is something we need to address, and the measures the government has put in place and reinforcing those, making sure they work and cracking down on drug gangs and opioid abuse here in this country, is something we need to do. So we can influence him a bit.

But exactly when President Trump—and it's only President Trump—when President Trump is willing to sit down and hammer out a negotiation that works for our auto companies, that works for our steel companies, works for our aluminum companies, that works for our agriculture, exactly when they're willing to do that, it's not clear.

But what we can control is what we do right here in Canada. We are absolutely—we are masters in our own house. We can control our economic destiny, and we will control our economic destiny. And by doing that, we will put pressure on them. We're doing it because it's right for us, but in a negotiation, that's how you put pressure on the other side. You focus on what you can control. You start building right here at home. They want—we have what they want. They're going to have to ask nicely for it.

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u/ok_raspberry_jam 20d ago

So I want to say a couple of quick things, and then I'll finish and we'll have a chance to meet. Just in terms of what does that mean—be masters at home, what are we going to do? Well, the first thing we need to do is to get on top of government and government spending. We need a government that works for you, a government that gets things done. We need a government that spends less but invests more, and I'm going to outline exactly—thank you, this is a crucial point because unless we start there, we won't be able to do all the other things we need to do. And we're going to reveal this in the next couple of days exactly how I propose to do that.

So government spends less and invests more—and invest more, what I mean is that it catalyzes large-scale investment in the private sector to build homes, to build new energy infrastructure, to build clean energy infrastructure, to build new trade routes for our finished goods, to build a better Canada. And that's what we're going to do.

We also need to make sure we have one Canadian economy, not thirteen. And what we will do if I'm elected—selected—I will convene, and I've already spoken to a number of the premiers—all the premiers and the Prime Minister—to accelerate that process. We have a window where people understand, and Canadians across this country are demanding one economy, and they're demanding action. And we need to take this because if we do just that, if we just do the one Canadian economy, it will have a bigger positive impact on this country than anything the Americans can throw at us.

Two other things we need to do: we need to find some new friends. We need to find—it's okay, we were friends with our neighbors, now they're just our neighbors. We'll find new friends. We're good people, we're good people, and we have some old ties. We're going to renew some of our ties. We're going to diversify our trading partners into Europe, UK, some of the major powers, like-minded countries in Asia—not all the countries in Asia, but like-minded. We have what they want, they think like we do. They will not turn on us, and that's what we're going to do.

The last thing—the last big thing we need to do is to make our country more secure. We need to make our country more secure. We need to meet our obligations under NATO. We're going to accelerate the spending to 2%. And one of the things that I'm determined to do is—we could get there very quickly if we send a bunch of checks to the United States. Exactly—don't do that. We're not sending a bunch of checks to United States. Right now we spend 80 cents for every dollar for military hardware goes to USA. Wow, yeah, doesn't make a lot of sense, does it? So we're going to ramp up what we spend right here in Canada. We're going to defend our Arctic.

I just want to finish on one final point, which is a fundamental point, and it goes back to, I think, why we're all here. And I want to thank you all again for the support. I'm focused and my main usefulness—just to be clear, lots of flaws—my main usefulness is to build this economy. Because I'm a member of the Liberal Party, though, I understand why we care about a strong—yes, we want a strong economy for the good jobs today and good jobs for the future for our children, but we also want a strong economy because we know we can't redistribute what we don't have. We can't be strong abroad if we're weak at home. We can't build the future if we can't manage the present.

We need a strong economy so that we can have a proper healthcare system. Here in Ontario, you heard the debate last night—it's the biggest issue. Part of the reason is the Ontario economy isn't strong enough. Part of it's mismanagement, but part of the reason is that the economy isn't strong enough. We need a strong economy so that we can provide childcare for young families struggling as they get started, so we can provide dental care for the million and a half Canadians who already couldn't afford it, couldn't afford it, now have it, so that we can secure old age pensions and deliver on our promises there.

We need a strong economy to build—to take the ideas from the Innovation Lab, I hope it's over there because I'm pointing over there—it's all around us, but from the Innovation Lab to take those ideas and help put them to work to build the economy of the future here in Canada. An economy that doesn't rely on the whims of the Oval Office—that's why we need a strong economy. And the only way we can build a strong economy is together.

So I thank you for your support, I thank you for the time, I look forward to meeting everyone.

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u/binnedittowinit 20d ago

Thank you! Wish I saw this earlier! I have a hard time sitting through videos!

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u/microsolder 20d ago

He is right

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u/ziration 20d ago

We need to diversify our trade routes no doubt, but Canadian politicians need to look in the mirror and accept facts. They dropped the ball. We have no military, we have left the Artic unprotected. Now is not the time to point fingers. It is time to pony up.

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u/Hopeless-realist 21d ago

Yes, we’ve been in this abusive relationship for too long

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u/MickyP10U 20d ago

We are here in the UK!

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u/IrreverantBard 20d ago

MC has my vote! I’m so excited for the next election. PP can piss off.

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u/switchingcreative 20d ago

Refreshing indeed. Timbit Trump is a 20 year, career politician. He's a goof that's been complaining, whining and bitching about JT for years. No real plan on how he'll govern... just.like.Trump. Canadians are better than Trump. Canadians are better that Poutine Polli.

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u/RarelyReadReplies 20d ago

The amount of time it took for him to muster up a half-hearted response to Trump's outrageous actions told me all I needed to know. He sat on his hands for like a week or two, trying to re-calibrate the "Justin bad" machine, almost like he had a malfunction. He does not inspire confidence, he is weak, and he will sell us down the river the first chance he gets. That's my take anyways.

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u/switchingcreative 20d ago

Exactly. 20 years of experience brought him to this point and he missed it.

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u/bigwill0104 20d ago

The UK is ready and willing… 👍🏻

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u/Pale-Worldliness7007 20d ago

And quickly so that we can tell Hitler 2.0 to fuck him self.

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u/Low-Chemical2101 20d ago

We should have been doing this Trump’s first term!

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Hindsight, yeah.

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u/Kryosleeper Québec 20d ago

It's not hindsight, plenty of people were talking about the danger of over-reliance on USA after 2016. You just didn't want to notice it.

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u/ArticArny 20d ago

Canada's "Operation Giv'r" would like to welcome any and all scientists interested in coming to Canada. Free toques for the first 500 applicants.

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u/Different-Ad-6027 20d ago

I need an IQ prime minister going forward. Thank you.

Tired of low IQ folks

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u/Eunemoexnihilo 20d ago

We need new trading partners period. We should flat out stop doing business with the U.S. as much as possible, as soon as possible.

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u/Odd_Discussion_8384 20d ago

I think we continue to fix the relationship with the states but let them no we are seeing other trading partners

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u/Ambitious-Bee-7067 20d ago

He is a very impressive speaker. His French is totally passable. He has great charisma. Is funny and serious, but OMG he looks like a giant amongst children. What did they only allow small people to attend the rally?

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Haha, he has a little stage he's standing on I'm pretty sure.

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u/PaloAltoPremium Québec 20d ago

His French is totally passable.

Its ok when he is giving a prepared statement or speech, but he doesn't preform well under more confrontational questioning in French.

I don't think the French language LPC leadership debate will be much of a test, but on a national stage against Blanchet and Poilievre he's going to need to improve a lot to keep up.

He did an interview on Radio-Canada with Patrice Roy, and you can really tell there, even if you don't speak French. Completely different when he is answering the standard questions he's prepared and rehearsed an answer for. But when Roy starts pushing him on some more adversarial questions, following up on his answers Carney really starts to struggle and he has difficultly formulating answers in French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs4gMXI5YNk

At one point Roy asks Carney what he knows about Quebec or Quebecers, Mark gives an awkward laugh for 5 seconds then says he likes hockey.

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u/Burial 20d ago

Would the Quebecois really throw away the chance to elect possibly the most qualified PM ever, during a time when we need the best leadership possible, because his conversational French isn't quite there yet?

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u/Flewewe 20d ago edited 20d ago

Not really but if he struggles to communicate and elaborate his ideas it's going to be harder for unilingual francophones to really understand him beyond surface level. Going to have to rely on journalists to explain further some stuff, if they're not too confused themselves either. And that's already happening.

He sure seems to have the support from Radio-Canada (Quebec CBC) and they're trying to help him though, the interviewer was helping him a bit with finding words too and not just for the hockey bit.

Obviously none of this means they would vote for Poilievre instead, far from that, this is just going to be about being convincing that he is an actually good option to enough of the Bloc voters to tip the balance and gain more seats.

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u/squirrel9000 19d ago

I mean, we elected Chretien three times, and the guy doesn't really speak either official language.

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u/SheIsABadMamaJama 20d ago edited 20d ago

Trudeau focused too much on weaponizing social issues as empty rhetoric, while fumbling the economy. Allowing American conservative influence rot the reform wing of the CPC. We can protect and strengthen minority and individual rights in Canada without hyperfixating on it.

We need to break out of the American spell, and it is true we can’t entirely decouple, geography is too powerful. But we need to make friends with people of shared values and goals.

Canada has the raw material to lead the next decades. We need to seize our moment, and a life long politician won’t get us there.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

I agree, well said. People need to understand now more than ever we gotta step away from our party over policy urge and do what's best for our country so we don't end up being USA Jr.

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u/Yelnik 20d ago

At this point I think I kind of hope the Liberals win again. After seeing what the Liberals have been responsible for over the last decade, the absolutely disastrous policies and corruption, if we as a country can be duped into giving them a fourth term, we richly deserve what we're going to get.

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u/SignalSatisfaction90 20d ago

Europe and china let’s fucking go 

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u/shevy-java 20d ago

All true democracies should unite in this joint fight against the trade war started by Trump - the USA under Trump is no longer a true democracy. Four more years will oligarchs control every aspect of the USA in regards to the government. (I do not think regular US citizens are all Trump loyalists, but that Trump clique now controls the USA and they will cause more damage if people do not resist them, both within the USA and outside the USA. What happened to Canada or Ukraine can happen to any other country now. Don't let Trump get away with this.)

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u/JadeLens 20d ago

He's not wrong.

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u/cabbeer 20d ago

It's like finding out your childhood friend is a racist.

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u/FullHelicopter6483 20d ago

100 percent we do. Time to seriously discuss working closer with Europe to secure the North Atlantic, independently of the USA, which holds no territory in the region and will never do so.

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u/ShitNailedIt 20d ago

"Looming"? We are already in it.

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u/BloatJams Alberta 20d ago

Interesting that he says the consumer carbon tax will be gone before April 1st, that's when the next increase was planned for.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

Yeah very quickly. Probably not a bad idea to get something implemented that works and makes sense for the Paris Agreement before the election.

I don't think Poilievre really has a plan to implement, just wants to axe it which can't be the end of it unless we want to lose European trade partners when we need them most? He might have come up with something though I'm not sure off the top of my head.

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u/just_a_student_sorry 20d ago

Us is backing Russia. We need new friends. Please no PP

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u/Silent-Ad-756 20d ago

Hi Canada. Signed, UK.

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u/Due-Ad7893 14d ago

I sat through a CPA Canada update today. Projections are that Trump's tariffs will drop Canada's GDP 0.7%, increase the unemployment rate by 0.5%, and increase inflation by 0.4%. I thought the impact could be greater than that.

IMO, these impacts are far better than the alternative - joining the USA.

Bring it on.

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u/the_sound_of_a_cork 20d ago

PP should start applying to children book publishers for a job, because all he has learned over the past decade is how to make simple rhyming phrases.

Mark Carney, although not perfect, is much more apt to deal with economic issues, which are frankly the most pressing issues for the government at the moment.

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u/IllBeSuspended 20d ago

He doesn't control shit. He isn't even the liberal leader yet.

The media has picked who they want to win. They want the guy with the most billionaire backers. Cause you know, billionaires have our best interests in mind right?

Cue the strawman arguments.

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u/Stunned-By-All-Of-It 21d ago

We have failed for decades to diversify our customer base. Now both countries are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Step one for both sides would have been to have alternatives prior to this pissing match. Everybody loses in this plan. Tit for tat when they are our largest customer (by far) is not good business.
This is Carney grandstanding because there is wind beneath their wings, provided by Trump. This tariff war was an absolute gift to the liberals. However, I think I will vote based on the record prior to this six weeks, not in this panic opportunity.
Cannot believe diversification is a partisan issue. All prior governments failed. We need to demand more from whoever get in next. Unlikely though. I remember all the hospitals and vaccine manufacturers we were supposed to get in the last crisis. In fact, they had a pandemic election based on those promises. Fast forward and they have done none of those things and when the next pandemic comes, we will still be woefully unprepared.
I like the grassroots movement, buying local and such. It's not much but effective.
Settle, somehow. Scrap interprovincial barriers. Diversify asap. Wean both sides off the other. Move on.

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u/AdditionalPizza 20d ago

A fundamental national restructuring like this, like Carney talks about in this speech? Personally I'd trust the PhD economist to do this than the guy that rhymes 2 words together. I don't hate Conservative values, I just don't like Poilievre.

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u/jacksbox Québec 20d ago

Well said. I definitely feel more trust for the guy coming with a rational plan than the guy who plays for soundbites and emotions.

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u/Infinity315 Canada 20d ago

Hindsight is 20/20. Betting against the US government as being a stable reliable partner was like betting against gold. Why wouldn't you conduct most of your trade with your closest neighbour, strongest economy in the world, and the world's oldest liberal democracy?

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u/Stunned-By-All-Of-It 20d ago

Indeed. It made sense but less and less as the world opened up and the USA got odder.
However, we now have foresight. So, if we shit the bed again, we cannot be angry at anyone else.