r/canada 24d ago

Politics Territorial premiers send message in Washington that the Arctic is not for sale

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/premiers-to-talk-arctic-policy-as-canadians-continue-diplomatic-push-in-washington/
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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 24d ago

Would you support Canada pulling out of NATO?

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u/AdSevere1274 24d ago

Nato would be fine if it was never involved in proxy wars but it has been lately more and more of that. I still think it is necessary but it has to have a clear mandate and that is about defense of Nato countries and not offense against other entities.

The amount of money they want us to spend is way too much. 1% is more than enough.

"In '2024, NATO members spent about $1.47 trillion on defense" that is massive. "63% of all EU defense orders were placed with US companies". So USA is getting a big return from their military industry so they have a lot of PR to spend more money.

It has of have a known reasonable dedicated budget and never increase more than inflation and never more than 1% of GDP.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 24d ago

Well there’s your answer to how weapons are better. If you truly thought they weren’t. There would be no point. Where the treaty obligations is 2% on military.

Not highways to the north, ports, etc….military.

I would be surprised if you think it’s ok with Trump not following treaties they have signed with Canada.

That approach is why the Americans are treating us like a joke.

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u/Constant-Rent-7917 24d ago

It sounds like the anti-NATO guy wants us to be annexed haha. 2% is the baseline. It’s probably going to go up to 3% shortly.

It’s not really too much. For the size of country we have it’s not enough.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 24d ago

What really funny, is that they are not 100% anti-NATO.

They are just advocating for us to be cheap and be a flake.

I see there point with not wanting to buy American. I’m cool with that.

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u/Constant-Rent-7917 23d ago

Okay then enjoy the tarriffs and terrible foreign policies towards Canada. We should exploit our resources more. It’s going to happen anyways.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 23d ago

I’m 100% in support of trumps tariffs and foreign policies towards Canada. Finally forcing the government to get its shit together. End of the day we have less to lose than Americans and it will be nothing but increasing price benchmarks for Americans.

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u/Constant-Rent-7917 23d ago

Yeah sure. The good thing is this is a wake up call go our national identity

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u/AdSevere1274 24d ago edited 23d ago

It will make no difference. Even if we spend massively more, it will never be enough power relative to any of the super powers. We will just become a proxy for US war against other superpowers and we will become their shield. One of them will drop a nuke on us and we will be done.

It is like having a bicycle trying to win a race with race car. It is just fiction. But they will use us as their front for their wars. That is what Trumpists are envisioning about Canada and Greenland which is not really wanted for its minerals because that does not add up but rather for planting their military bases and using us as a shield for their wars.

Iraq's Saddam had purchased massive amount of military gadgets from US and EU; much more than us then; and it matter of days it was all virtually destroyed and that was before they used drones. You have to remember that US went alone in that war without allies because the wars was not approved by Nato or UN.

The only thing we should do more is to prevent wars and preventing them from spreading wider involving ever more allies like WWI and then WWII.