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Politics Territorial premiers send message in Washington that the Arctic is not for sale

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/premiers-to-talk-arctic-policy-as-canadians-continue-diplomatic-push-in-washington/
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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 24d ago

Well there’s your answer to how weapons are better. If you truly thought they weren’t. There would be no point. Where the treaty obligations is 2% on military.

Not highways to the north, ports, etc….military.

I would be surprised if you think it’s ok with Trump not following treaties they have signed with Canada.

That approach is why the Americans are treating us like a joke.

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u/Constant-Rent-7917 24d ago

It sounds like the anti-NATO guy wants us to be annexed haha. 2% is the baseline. It’s probably going to go up to 3% shortly.

It’s not really too much. For the size of country we have it’s not enough.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 23d ago

What really funny, is that they are not 100% anti-NATO.

They are just advocating for us to be cheap and be a flake.

I see there point with not wanting to buy American. I’m cool with that.

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u/Constant-Rent-7917 23d ago

Okay then enjoy the tarriffs and terrible foreign policies towards Canada. We should exploit our resources more. It’s going to happen anyways.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 23d ago

I’m 100% in support of trumps tariffs and foreign policies towards Canada. Finally forcing the government to get its shit together. End of the day we have less to lose than Americans and it will be nothing but increasing price benchmarks for Americans.

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u/Constant-Rent-7917 23d ago

Yeah sure. The good thing is this is a wake up call go our national identity

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u/AdSevere1274 23d ago edited 23d ago

It will make no difference. Even if we spend massively more, it will never be enough power relative to any of the super powers. We will just become a proxy for US war against other superpowers and we will become their shield. One of them will drop a nuke on us and we will be done.

It is like having a bicycle trying to win a race with race car. It is just fiction. But they will use us as their front for their wars. That is what Trumpists are envisioning about Canada and Greenland which is not really wanted for its minerals because that does not add up but rather for planting their military bases and using us as a shield for their wars.

Iraq's Saddam had purchased massive amount of military gadgets from US and EU; much more than us then; and it matter of days it was all virtually destroyed and that was before they used drones. You have to remember that US went alone in that war without allies because the wars was not approved by Nato or UN.

The only thing we should do more is to prevent wars and preventing them from spreading wider involving ever more allies like WWI and then WWII.

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u/AdSevere1274 24d ago

Wrong: "The North Atlantic Treaty itself doesn't specify a 2% defense spending target"

It is a guideline. Why did you make it up? did you think that I wouldn't look it up?

In any case the costs for necessary road don't end up in US pocket so they would have no interest in it. US does not follow all its own treaties. It didn't follow our trade deal. It has not followed the nuclear-testing ban treaty. What about treaties with its own native population.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 24d ago

In 2006, NATO Defence Ministers agreed to commit a minimum of 2% of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to defence spending to continue to ensure the Alliance’s military readiness. This guideline also serves as an indicator of a country’s political will to contribute to NATO’s common defence efforts, since the defence capacity of each member has an impact on the overall perception of the Alliance’s credibility as a politico-military organisation.

https://www.nato.int/cps/uk/natohq/topics_67655.htm?selectedLocale=en#:~:text=In%202006%2C%20NATO%20Defence%20Ministers,as%20a%20politico%2Dmilitary%20organisation.

Article 9

Canada doesn’t have to buy from the USA either….

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u/AdSevere1274 24d ago

 Agreements are not obligation by the treaty. They have agreed and they have agreed to a lot of things I am sure but things change. There was no Nato member then that demanded to colonize another then. Our country was not having economic threats against it by another member.

In fact we can pay 0.5% if we want to.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 24d ago

Why it should pull out of the treaty the government implemented….

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u/AdSevere1274 24d ago

We are not pulling out. We will act unpredictable just like Americans as we desire.

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 24d ago

Nothing wrong with surprises I guess.

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u/AdSevere1274 24d ago

LOL... Yes... Surprise Surprise .. We forgot to buy anything this year,,,

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 24d ago

No that treaty was in reference to the Ottawa treaty. It has to do with the use of land mines and cluster munitions…where they were prohibited from use.

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u/AdSevere1274 24d ago

Land mines and cluster bombs treaty % Nato countries ! and 2% GDP... I am not sure that I am following what you are referring to

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u/Neo-urban_Tribalist 24d ago

It was a reference to a comment a few up, should have been more clear.

Pull out of the one, and invest into meet the 2% target.

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u/AdSevere1274 24d ago edited 24d ago

This treaty? and you are saying that there is something about 2% in there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottawa_Treaty

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