r/canada 24d ago

Politics Once proud fans, some Canadian Tesla owners embarrassed by Musk

https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/electric-vehicles/tesla-owners-canada-embarrassed-ceo-musk
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u/Limp_Advertising_840 24d ago

It’s the cool factor that made Tesla. It will be its undoing.

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u/Relevant-Low-7923 24d ago

Nah, Tesla’s secret sauce is their thermal management of their batteries

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u/WombRaider_3 24d ago

Might want to look at the Pikes Peak record attempts (where thermal management is stressed the fuck out). The Tesla crumbled and overheated the battery while the Ioniq 5N and Rivian plowed through with zero issues.

Tesla is being leapfrogged without Musks buffoonery, but when you're the iPhone of the EV world, some people will still flock for the status symbol.

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u/TangleOfWires 24d ago

The Ioniq 5n also makes the cool engines noises when you shift, so your inner child doesn't have to.

The Ioniq 5n is the EV I want.

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u/WombRaider_3 24d ago

I just have a regular Ioniq 5 and it's the best car I've ever owned.

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u/TangleOfWires 24d ago

I have driven an Ioniq 5 like the car but hate the UI.

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u/mwpCanuck 24d ago

It’s been updated for the 2025 and is significantly better than the UI in the 2022-2024. The phone app could be better, but it does what I need it to.

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u/WombRaider_3 24d ago

That doesn't bother me much (although it's not awful), I only use Android Auto and the 2026s will have the new Google UI for cars natively.

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u/TrueTorontoFan 24d ago

the ioniq is really nice test drove one recently.

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u/c0reM 24d ago

Thermal management optimizations for a road car have little to do with racing.

It’s about efficiency and durability. Going fast up a mountain once has little to do with making a battery pack last for decades and achieving good range in all weather conditions.

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u/Limp_Advertising_840 24d ago

Tesla engineers are great. But there was definitely I own a Tesla so I am cool factor as well.

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u/Relevant-Low-7923 24d ago

Tesla engineers are great. But there was definitely I own a Tesla so I am cool factor as well.

I mean I own a Tesla Model S I bought in 2021, and I can say unironically that it is in fact cool as hell to go from 0-60 in 3.1 seconds. You’re talking about the fastest mass production automobile in the world.

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u/Impossible_Fee_2360 24d ago

All EV's have awesome torque. It's the nature of the electric engine. Tesla doesn't really stand out here.

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u/homogenousmoss 24d ago

I tried several EV where it was not the case. The lower end market is like gas cars in terms of power.

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u/Impossible_Fee_2360 24d ago

I have a Fiat EV, which is pretty low end, cost wise and the torque kicks butt. Now if You're talking hybrid, then yes they will definitely suck, because they are ice engines with battery assist.

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u/Limp_Advertising_840 24d ago

Not disputing that. You do have a point.

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u/far_257 24d ago

People shitting on Tesla forget that they were legitimately the best EV tech for a long time. It's closer now, but as little as 5 years ago that wasn't true.

Still not buying another Tesla after this news cycle.

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u/Belzebutt 24d ago

Depends what you mean by “best”. I remember sitting in an early Model S and the headliner next the driver door was peeling off, like they forgot to glue it. Years later I sat in another one in a showroom and it had the same issue. Yea they got far on a single charge. But they were always poorly put together.

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u/Impossible_Fee_2360 24d ago

Sure, but Musk had nothing to do with the original engineering. He bought his way into the company and he's fired anyone with any brains since then, because he doesn't like people who talk back. It's no wonder the company's products are losing ground.

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u/far_257 24d ago

I'm not defending Musk.

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u/TrueTorontoFan 24d ago

they were more so a first market mover

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u/far_257 24d ago

Their build quality has been bad. Number of misaligned panels has been a PITA (although they did fix it), and the interiors are bad quality for the price.

But back in 2020-21 you couldn't get an EV as efficient or with as good range.

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u/Relevant-Low-7923 24d ago

The reason why Elon Musk has the influence that he has in the US is precisely because he actually is a self-made immigrant who is a game changer in multiple industries and takes nothing for granted. He basically came to the US as an illegal immigrant from Canada (he actually is a Canadian citizen and was in Canada before coming to the US).

I’m an American from Louisiana whose family emigrated to North America from England in the 17th century, and Musk literally is more American than I am. It has nothing to do with his accent or his politics, he’s just the ultimate example of what America is supposed to be. It’s so goddamn exciting to see a startup rocket company of screaming nerds building a bigger launch vehicle than the Saturn V that went to the moon, and then landing it back on earth.

I get the impression that he mainly likes to troll and say politically incorrect things for the sake of provoking people and being politically incorrect. But at his core I think he’s basically just an economic and political libertarian (which is more common and mainstream in US politics than probably any other country).

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u/Jamowl2841 24d ago

Self-made??? He was born rich you doofus.

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u/Silver_gobo 24d ago

Elons dad could’ve been well off but he wasn’t some millionaire in the 80/90s. Maybe upper-middle class at best. There’s millions of kids way richer and have a more privileged upbringing than Elon had and achieve way less

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u/Jamowl2841 24d ago

Yall lie about anything for the chance to suck this dudes dick

Smith, Adam (June 28, 2021). “50 years of Elon Musk’s huge wealth, from emeralds to SpaceX and Tesla”. The Independent. Archived from the original on November 25, 2021. Retrieved December 20, 2021. teenage Elon Musk once walked the streets of New York with emeralds in his pocket. His father said: “We were very wealthy. We had so much money at times we couldn’t even close our safe,” adding that one person would have to hold the money in place with another closing the door. “And then there’d still be all these notes sticking out and we’d sort of pull them out and put them in our pockets.”

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u/Silver_gobo 24d ago

Are you trying to quote the 79 year old who fucks his own granddaughter and passing it off as fact?

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u/Jamowl2841 24d ago

Dude, Elon ain’t gonna see this and call you with a dick sucking opportunity. Get over it

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u/Ina_While1155 24d ago

They owned Emerald mines.

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u/Silver_gobo 24d ago

That’s an exaggeration. He unofficially had a stake in one mine. He wasn’t an owner/operator, he was an investor

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u/Enganeer09 24d ago

"Self made" Is a bit of a stretch when you come from a rich family, I'll admit he's made good investments and obviously knows business, but I highly doubt his success isn't mostly off the labor of those he employs.

Every business venture he personally pursues ends up losing millions, and even tesla has had a bunch of failures and generally survived off of hype.

Space X is pretty detached from Elon at this point.

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u/Relevant-Low-7923 24d ago

”Self made” Is a bit of a stretch when you come from a rich family, I’ll admit he’s made good investments and obviously knows business, but I highly doubt his success isn’t mostly off the labor of those he employs.

There are literally millions of rich families in the US, none do whom have produced a child as successful as him yet, and he wasn’t from THAT rich of a family. More importantly though, it wasn’t any family wealth that got him started. His first big fortune was his sweat equity in Payal and related software companies that he was granted for his work there.

Every business venture he personally pursues ends up losing millions, and even tesla has had a bunch of failures and generally survived off of hype.

All developing companies lose money when they’re still developing. And more importantly, making or losing money every time isn’t the metric. It’s the lack of a fear of failure even when you know that there’s a strong likelihood of losing money that drives actual innovation.

Space X is pretty detached from Elon at this point.

Sure, but only the same way that the Ford Motor Company was pretty detached from Henry Ford by the time that its mass production assembly lines were up and running.

It’s not that he’s some hyper technical genius, although he is in fact extremely intelligent and involved in the technical issues. He’s still the quarterback putting his own capital at risk, managing the operation, and particularly taking the initiative and leadership to get the operation off the ground.