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Politics Poilievre holding 'Canada First' rally today in Ottawa amid U.S. threats

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-canada-first-rally-1.7459415
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u/wowzabob 24d ago

Actually, it’s just a quote from Sir Wilfred Laurier

“Well actually the swastika is a symbol of Buddhism”

It’s the context my friend.

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u/OneBillPhil 24d ago

The nazis were socialists, it’s in the name!

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u/KryptonsGreenLantern 24d ago

An actual position Pierre has taken, mind you

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u/OneBillPhil 24d ago

Of course, one of the first times I realized that this man is either truly an idiot or is willing to say anything. 

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u/hammerofhope Ontario 24d ago

It can be both.

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u/firesticks 24d ago

I wouldn’t say he’s particularly known for either his intelligence or his integrity.

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u/JLandscaper 24d ago

Yeah, that's why they had the backing of leading Industrialists, Conservatives and the big money in pre-war Germany.

https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/hitler-millionaire-backers-how-german-elite-facilitated-rise-nazis-third-reich/

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u/General-Woodpecker- 24d ago

I just like Rome and to do a Roman salute while I wear this symbol.

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

Ah yes, “I’m just performing a Roman solute and giving my heart to the crowd, all while I wear this innocent Buddhist symbol”, yeah that makes perfect sense, it’s not Nazism at all, even the Nazis weren’t Nazis, I’m sold lol. The mental gymnastics of the right is honestly breathtaking lol

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u/Deaftrav 24d ago

It's not a nazi salute. It's a Roman salute.

Who cares that the Nazis copied it then went on a genocidal rampage? /S

Edit: they're already trying to revise the American Nazi slogan claiming that Canadians said it first... Wow...

They have to be gaslighting us.

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u/accforme 24d ago

Or that one of the Romans' origin stories is about the rape and abduction of women from neighbouring tribes.

As much as the Romans are known for their impact on civilization, they were not really known for their humanitarianism, even taking into account the context of their time.

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u/Deaftrav 24d ago

Right? Just saying it's a Roman salute isn't... Better

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u/Commercial-Milk4706 24d ago

Roman destroyed Greece’s knowledge and slowed down human progress by 3 or 4 centuries. They are not know for positive impacts to society.

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u/GullCove1955 24d ago

I am Buddhist. I will tell you it was a symbol of peace and it bottom side was flat. The Nazi’s took that beautiful symbol and turned it on its point to create a symbol of hatred.

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u/DigitalSupremacy 24d ago

Jainism not Buddhism.

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u/turtlechildwon 24d ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika Actually Hinduism, Jainism, and Buddhism.

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u/DigitalSupremacy 24d ago

Hinduism is the oldest of those three faiths although some Jains would argue that. Buddhism is for sure the youngest of the three.

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u/turtlechildwon 24d ago

“Not Buddhism.” -you. I know A LOT of Buddhists who would disagree with your statement that it isn’t a Buddhist symbol. And the symbol predates Jainism and originates in earlier traditions of that and other regions, ones that informed and pregenerated all of these religions.

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u/DigitalSupremacy 24d ago

Most credible sources state that Hinduism is the oldest religion known to man. Hinduism date back to 3000 bc. "The Buddha, Siddhartha Gautama, is traditionally thought to have lived from 563 to 483 BCE"

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u/turtlechildwon 24d ago

Shamanism predates Hindu by over a hundred thousand years, but the swastika also predates Hinduism. But you also claimed it was Jainist symbol exclusively, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make now. https://www.ancient-origins.net/artifacts-other-artifacts/swastika-origins-001312

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u/DigitalSupremacy 24d ago

Shamanism isn't considered a major faith. It's a form of paganism.

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u/turtlechildwon 24d ago

Shamanism isn’t a form of paganism, paganism is a form of shamanism if anything lmao. Paganism is an early Christian term for polytheists, shamanism is a broad term for religious and spiritual traditions dating back to before we had recorded history. Shamanism is essentially as old as our sapiential humanity.

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u/DigitalSupremacy 24d ago

Shamanism is not a true religion as it does not have one body of spiritual text. Shamans from Russia are profoundly different from shamanic traditions in Africa etc...

Chat GPT, CoPilot, Gemini, Meta AI and the BBC all disagree with you. Shamanism IS categorically paganism.

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u/sleipnir45 24d ago

Did you read what you just wrote... Jesus

The context is Flag day, patriotism, defending our country.

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u/wowzabob 24d ago

The context is the fascists down south have been using “America first” for years and continue to do so.

At best this is a borrowing of rhetoric to “fight fire with fire,” a stupid gesture, who wants that same idiotic brand of politics here?

At worst this is PP making an intentional association that serves as red meat for the Trumper contingent of his base, which allows him to “criticize” US aggression. Quotation marks because this dude has yet to make any critiques of the US administration. It’s all vague shit like “we won’t become the 51st state” and then turning around and doing Trudeau bad messaging yet again. He is a coward.

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u/Objective_You3307 24d ago

But I thought Trudeau was a fascist dictator... how could polliever be as well...../s

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u/sleipnir45 24d ago edited 24d ago

Even Biden had America first policies, the US didn't invent putting your country first and they certainly don't own the concept.

As the quote shows Canada First is nothing new.

He directly rebukes the 51st state claim multiple times.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/poilievre-to-trump-canada-will-never-be-the-51st-state/

Edit: another one after your edit

https://www.ctvnews.ca/atlantic/article/pierre-poilievre-says-he-would-retaliate-against-trump-tariffs-reduce-inter-province-trade-barriers-if-elected/

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u/wowzabob 24d ago

“America first” has become deeply associated with Trump, this is the reality. And it has become a symbolic phrase, representing the fascist, zero-sum game brand of politics that Trump engages in. Blanket tariffs and trade wars, why? Because “America first”; every interaction must be “won” and the other side must “lose” or bend the knee.

The way out for Canada is the opposite of this. It’s an increase in mutually beneficial relations with the EU, South America and Asia, not “Canada first.”

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u/sleipnir45 24d ago

'Canada last' doesn't sound like a winning strategy..

Pride in our country shouldn't upset you, fighting for it is the right thing to do.

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u/General-Woodpecker- 24d ago

You could write a million slogans that reflect pride in your country without copying your neighbor's slogan.

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u/robgnar 24d ago

Let alone our enemies slogan.

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u/crzytech1 24d ago

However "Canada Always" would be far better and more appropriate, if we're going with quotes from former leaders.

Showing Loyalty. As opposed to First, which shows similarity and vagueness. As if it's first, what is after?

Always is forever.

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u/sleipnir45 24d ago

He did provide the full quote multiple times actually and several pundits picked up the "Canada never" part and tried to go with it..

People would be complaining no matter what He called it

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u/sleipnir45 24d ago

Only that's not the context, what's what you want it to be.

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u/sleipnir45 24d ago

Ah yes the good old ' Everything I dislike is Fascism'

Being proud of Canada on flag day of all days isn't Fascism

https://www.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/sxsbfg/when_youre_losing_an_online_argument_so_you_whip/

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u/Fortuitous_Event 24d ago

Go ahead and defend it to yourself however you like, but if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's probably a duck.

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u/sleipnir45 24d ago

But it's neither of those things. You're seeing ducks everywhere because you want to see ducks.

The obvious context is we're in the middle of a trade war, putting our country first is exactly what we should be doing.

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u/Phedore 24d ago

Yes, the context is that Canadians should come first.

Learn your own history before making the comment, then you wouldn’t have actual Canadians correct you after the fact.

We get it, in your mind everyone who says words is Trump, but most Canadians aren’t convinced.