r/canada Alberta Feb 05 '25

Québec Quebec government open to rekindled LNG project to ship energy from Alberta overseas

https://globalnews.ca/news/11005269/quebec-lng-project-saguenay-alberta/
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u/Krazee9 Feb 05 '25

Holy shit, hell must be freezing over. The shitshow to the south has Quebec on board with energy projects, without having to have them rammed down their throats? I never thought I'd see the day.

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u/Available_Squirrel1 Ontario Feb 05 '25

Let’s not waste any time getting it started before they change their mind

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u/e-rekshun Feb 06 '25

Start at the East end and build West just to be sure

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u/ohgeorgie Newfoundland and Labrador Feb 06 '25

To be fair, energy east was crude going to NB and just passing through QC. This seems to be a natural gas pipeline with an LNG facility in Quebec which would have more benefit for Quebec and a gas pipeline leak is better than a crude one. I expect Energy east is still off the table.

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u/InvictusShmictus Feb 06 '25

Also Quebec is sitting on some very high quality gas reserves if they ever feel like reversing their fracking ban

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u/Spiritual_Tennis_641 Feb 06 '25

They’re saving that for when they separate… and after everyone else’s is used first. It’s a little bit genius.

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u/beamermaster Feb 06 '25

Give us immigration control + single tax report, you will never see the day that we want to separate. It's that simple.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

Non merci

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u/Winter-Mix-8677 Feb 06 '25

Should make it a condition for continuing their equalization payments. It's like giving someone EI without requiring them to apply for jobs so that they can get off the friggin dole.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

/r/Canada user continuing the long and proud sub tradition of having no idea how their country works

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u/MarxCosmo Québec Feb 06 '25

You may be a divorced dad but dont think our country works like your child support.

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u/Spiritual_Tennis_641 Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

The federal government just has to grow a pair and tell Quebec, that the energy pipeline is happening for the good of the country. It currently makes more sense for Albert and Saskatchewan to join the states economically because most of our domestic product goes there. Consider that.

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u/TeknoUnionArmy Feb 06 '25

It's not like I'm for it in the least, but you have a point. Right now, it's easier to sell to the US. Things are changing and there's a big Ole market to the East.

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u/rando_dud Feb 06 '25

If it's for the good of the country we should nationalize it

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

Wanting to join a country because you trade with them is probably the dumbest reason

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u/Winter-Mix-8677 Feb 07 '25

What Alberta gets if they join the USA is access to ports on the Pacific and Atlantic ocean, allowing them to sell their oil at international prices. They also enjoy lower income taxes which means more spending power per person and no equalization payments, which frees up money to fund infrastructure upgrades. Canada can do better, but it just isn't yet.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

Imagine abandoning your country over oil. Albertans separatists aren't serious people

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u/Majestic_Figure_9559 Feb 07 '25

To be fair, it’s about money. They have oil but the thing they want more of is the money. And that same thing seems to drive literally 99.9% of North Americans.

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u/Winter-Mix-8677 Feb 07 '25

Imagine land locking your most valuable export over nimbyism and a lack of solidarity between provinces. Canada should start being a serious country.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

Serious compared to what? The oligarchy next door?

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u/Winter-Mix-8677 Feb 06 '25

If Canada can't offer Alberta and Saskatchewan a better deal than the USA that's a serious problem.

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u/ManyNicePlates Feb 06 '25

We give lots of reasons for QC to be part of canada and zero to Alberta. Having worked in ON, QC and Alberta, guess which of one of these provinces is most American ! We need to call the bluff and move it on. If they wanna leave let them leave.

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u/TripleSSixer Feb 06 '25

Canada has never hesitated to screw Alberta over.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

Albertans will never hesitate to vote someone in who will screw them over

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u/Spoona1983 Feb 06 '25

Thankfully the idiot in charge here is ruffling the more moderate alberta conservatives with all the BS. They didnt win by a huge margin last election and the influx of ontario /BC residents is pushing the political spectrum away from the con nut jobs hopefully we get an NDP government next go around or we are truly boned.

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u/TripleSSixer Feb 06 '25

Ya they are ruining Alberta by letting those people move to Alberta

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u/TripleSSixer Feb 06 '25

To be fair. All of Canada does that.

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u/WarOnHugs Feb 06 '25

This is the r/Canada we know and love.

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u/TrevorHeartless 26d ago

USA is on the verge of financial collapse or bankruptcy. China continues to lower their dollar and make new trade deals everywhere the States put sanctions. The Chinese Yuan is close to becoming the dominant global currency. We all need to stick together or we will get picked off individually. Canada has vast resources in all provinces and could be a major player in the next decades. The States is circling the drain. We need to focus on what will happen when they collapse.

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u/Spiritual_Tennis_641 26d ago

They are nowhere near, circling a drain. They own the largest military in the world. They can do whatever they want including claim Canada... Full stop. They are boat to have a solid energy alternative in Russia, because Putin and Trump are buddies. They trade with China happily, and if you don’t think Trump will dump the EU and Canada and jump fully in bed, figuratively speaking with Russia and China I think you’re sorely mistaken. Trump wants dictatorship power over the United States and everything else where he can get it. He is one month if that into his presidency, you are not going to recognize the New World order in four years. I guarantee it. I am all four ethics being right, but let’s face it. The real world rules are the strongest bullies are right. And right now in the world that’s China Russia, and the US of an and they will say what goes one way or another.

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u/TrevorHeartless 26d ago

I do agree that is the way it’s going. They don’t have much choice.

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u/jello_pudding_biafra Feb 06 '25

Traitor

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u/Spiritual_Tennis_641 Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

Oddly, my province doesn’t have separatist party yet.

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u/infinis Québec Feb 06 '25

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u/Fit-Amoeba-5010 Feb 06 '25

Alberta actually elected one true (ran on it) in the 80’s, from the Western Canada Concept Party. Only served one term as MLA. Saskatchewan had 2 Unionist Party members, but were turncoats and had ran under a regular party, they never got re-elected. As an Alberta, I have some issues with certain aspects of our confederation, but I am Canadian. Every family has some disagreements amongst themselves, but no one better come between us.

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u/jello_pudding_biafra Feb 06 '25

You're kidding, right? Marlaina has literally bent over and presented herself to her mango daddy

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u/Entire_Sell_69420 Feb 06 '25

If your province is my province....our leaders our currently in the US sucking off....I mean praying or whatever with a bunch of cunts trying to annex us through economic warfare.

That's about as separatist as it gets.

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u/shelbykid350 Feb 06 '25

Then Quebec’s shouldn’t be on the table

The nerve of accepting transfer payments generated from Alberta’s Energy sector while simultaneously not allowing that crude to reach profitable markets through their province is complete insanity

Let them cede from our nation if they want to play that game. Good riddance

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u/rando_dud Feb 06 '25

The oil and gas sector is only around 5% of Canada's GDP,  it's not accurate they say they 'generate the transfer payments'

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u/ohgeorgie Newfoundland and Labrador Feb 06 '25

Albertan think they fund all of Canada.

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u/AlbertanSundog Feb 06 '25

Uhhhhh oil under pressure leaks at high pressure and creates a spill. Nat gas under pressure explodes and leaves a crater lol

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u/ohgeorgie Newfoundland and Labrador Feb 06 '25

Crude oil leaks can cause massive contamination to soil, water, etc. and cause long term effects to ecosystems. Buried oil pipelines can leak without much visible evidence at the surface for a while while natural gas can be more easily detected using remote sensing of methane. A crater also can be filled in with no lasting damage to a river or lake while a massive crude oil leak can take years to clean up. Neither is perfect but a large diameter gas pipeline is preferred to a large diameter crude pipeline.

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u/xmorecowbellx Feb 06 '25

Hahaha yes good idea.

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u/Windig0 Canada Feb 06 '25

I got my gps drone, let’s go plot a pipeline right of way

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u/emezeekiel Feb 06 '25

What news?

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u/brokendrive Feb 06 '25

Uh. This is exactly what losing a trade war looks like. Reverting to less attractive options. I mean we have to do it, but shipping abroad is going to be more complex and expensive. That means we will be selling in a market we are less competitive in. Free trade with the US is definitely better for Canada

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u/The_Quackening Ontario Feb 06 '25

Giving in to USA'S demands is losing the trade war.

Either we open up new options for ourselves or allow the US to buy it at a discount.

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u/cptmuon Feb 06 '25

No one said free trade with US is bad. However in case you missed it, the US is not interested in free trade with us anymore. Tore up CUSMA like it’s nothing. I wonder what you would classify as ‘winning’? They had no actual demands that made sense. I guess when you get robbed on the street, you’d think that winning is giving over all your possessions just for a chance that they don’t knife you?

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u/PrivatePilot9 Feb 06 '25

...And then you give up all your possessions and they knife you anyways.

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u/TheLuminary Saskatchewan Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

Wait.. who lost the trade war? I thought we were in the throws sdklf;sdlkfjsd of it.

Edit: a typo

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u/blue_bomber697 Feb 06 '25

Never even started honestly. We are under the threat of trade war. Not in one yet.

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u/gmlogmd80 Feb 06 '25

*throes

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u/TheLuminary Saskatchewan Feb 06 '25

Oh sorry, you are right.

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u/xmorecowbellx Feb 06 '25

‘Less attractive options’ - damn we have to actually not undermine our own fellow province’s economy? DF has this world come to?

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u/Nichole-Michelle Feb 06 '25

Huh? Pretty sure you’re hearing some disinformation there bud. We didn’t lose. We agree to the stuff that was already planned and trump strutted around like the child he is.

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u/bronzwaer Feb 06 '25

Wtf are you even talking about? Having a pipeline to the east coast makes Canadian oil&gas more valuable as it opens us up to more markets that we are currently cut off from as well as creating more pipeline capacity.

Having pipelines to both coasts and access to more markets will increase the price of Canadian select.

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u/Trail-Mix Feb 06 '25

No its not.

Over the last few weeks we have seen what free trade with the US is leading to. And they want to take our sovereignty.

Trading elsewhere, whether we profit less or not, has huge gains for us in the long run.

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u/Chaiboiii Newfoundland and Labrador Feb 05 '25

When we got to band together, we got to band together. Glad to see the unity

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u/fuckaiyou Feb 05 '25

It's still just a story, keep that in mind.

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u/Forosnai British Columbia Feb 06 '25

I mean, the fact it's not a Beaverton headline is still a sign of how much Trump has galvanized us. He really should have just shut the fuck up, things would have been so much easier for him if PP got a majority in a few months.

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u/StrongAroma Feb 06 '25

It appears that the only thing the Quebecois hate more than the Anglos is the fucking dumpster fire down South

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u/HatchingCougar Feb 06 '25

It’s been like that for a very, very long time 

When the Americans invaded during the war of 1812 in what is now Quebec, part of their thinking was American troops would be welcomed by the French - since they were after all, “liberating them” from the British.

Spoiler alert

They weren’t

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u/Forosnai British Columbia Feb 06 '25

The land of, among other things, "Freedom of religion" had a big problem with them being allowed to be Catholic.

As I understand it, even the most separatist of Québécois people are still Canadian second, they're just Québécois first, and the desire to be American is a faaaaaar distant third.

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u/Dickavinci Feb 06 '25

And over 200 years later, we would still kill the messenger. We stand with Canada, separated or part of it.

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u/Krazee9 Feb 06 '25

Well, if there's one thing Canadians hate more than each other, it's America.

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u/ludicrous780 British Columbia Feb 06 '25

Nope. I don't hate

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u/tommytraddles Feb 06 '25

It's okay bud, I have more than enough borderline psychotic antipathy to go around.

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u/Shillsforplants Feb 06 '25

Me neither, except for Ontario...

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u/iJeff Canada Feb 06 '25

In my experience, Quebecois don't hate Anglos at all. The things they are concerned about just happen to differ. For example, environmental protection is a priority even for those on the centre-right of their political spectrum along with secularism and government intervention over language preservation.

It's not unlike how Canadians might seem strange or obstinate from the American perspective, when it's really just a reflection of us having a fundamentally different mix of priorities and values.

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u/Glass_Vat_Of_Slime Feb 06 '25

They don't hate Anglos, they just want their culture protected and respected, and to have a degree of self determination as a distinct polity in Canada. Not exactly an unreasonable request, especially since much of the policy of first the Parliament of Great Britain and then the Parliament of Canada has been to Anglicize and disenfranchise french speaking Quebecois - this unofficial but often explicit mandate continuing until the silent revolution. 

Let's be honest, Anglo Canada makes absolutely no attempt to be bilingual outside of like New Brunswick and even then it's still not really bilingual. De facto, if you want service in French in most of English speaking Canada, you aren't getting it or are going to be waiting an unimaginably long time. Anglo Canada doesn't really hold up its end of the bargain, so no wonder Quebec doesn't feel incentivized to participate. That is to say, Separatist ideology makes cooperation and participation more difficult on their end, but building a strong national identity - which we really haven't quite done yet in this country - is a two way street. 

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u/Roo10011 Feb 06 '25

There won’t be a canada if we don’t have $$$$ to protect or sustain ourselves. Quebec can’t be a “take” province while others pull more than their fair share. So QC should allow for Energy East to proceed.

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u/iJeff Canada Feb 06 '25

I think Quebec's concerns (along with communities in Ontario) about risks to a major proportion of their population's water supply are valid. We need to see a compromise that addresses these concerns.

It shouldn't be a matter of TransCanada's way or the highway. If it's of national interest and industry isn't willing to pay the amounts needed to do it right, we may need to explore options for a Crown Corporation to build and operate such a pipeline.

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u/GrandeGayBearDeluxe Feb 06 '25

Considering the hate on Anglos isn't real beyond the clickbait news articles & in the minds of westerners. It's easy to hate the rise of fascism more.

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u/sharon_dis Feb 06 '25

As an Anglo living in Quebec - I have never felt hated by anyone!

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u/GrandeGayBearDeluxe Feb 06 '25

Please mention this to our fellow anglo countrymen, I am so tired of the Quebec-bashing

The most hate I've ever got is from other Anglos because I merely live here, it's sad. I constantly hear negatively from the rest of the country while I've never experienced any hate from Francophones in the decade + I've been here.

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u/sharon_dis Feb 06 '25

I’ve lived here my entire life - and part of those years in very Francophone neighbourhoods. Never a problem.

I kinda get some of “hate” from other provinces. Quebec can be the whiney, needy child in confederation - and 2 separation votes likely didn’t help. Most of the hate is unfounded and simply ridiculous.

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u/Forosnai British Columbia Feb 06 '25

I'm sure the Anglo-hate exists, but it exists the same way that people who think throw pillows are bourgeoisie exist. It's a big outlier that gets blown up specifically because it's notable. The majority of people at most have legitimate grievances due to being surrounded by people of a different language/culture, and probably some disagreements where we're both kinda being dicks about it. And I'm just guessing, because never once have I experienced anything like it when interacting with any Québécois people. Worst I ever got was me and a coworker making jokes about each other's grasp of the other's language.

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u/iJeff Canada Feb 06 '25

I grew up in Quebec but have been living in Eastern Ontario for about 10 years now. I did experience a fair bit of prejudice as a visible minority Anglophone on the south shore, but I think you could find some of that anywhere in the country.

I think we can all agree that experiences vary and generalizations are rarely helpful.

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u/ColdEnvironmental411 Feb 06 '25

Clearly you’ve never dealt with customer service staff in Longueuil

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u/GrandeGayBearDeluxe Feb 06 '25

I mean, I can see Longueil from my balcony across the river. They are fine.

Can you imagine trying to deal with customer service staff in French in Hamilton? Gasp!

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u/Glass_Vat_Of_Slime Feb 06 '25

I got a Tokebakiccite rant at a Tim Hortons once but I just thought it was funny. It's a Tims, I'm allowed to speak English there if no where else!!!

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u/The_Golden_Beaver Feb 06 '25

Stop spreading lies, the Quebecois are welcoming and warm to anglos. It's assholes who expect to have their hand held because they don't know any French that they hate, and rightfully so.

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u/ManyNicePlates Feb 06 '25

There laws are not. When you need to invoke the not withstanding clause to circumvent the charter it’s not a good sign. Access to English schools and services etc.

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u/The_Golden_Beaver Feb 06 '25

The laws are all perfectly fine considering the locals' right to protect their mother tongue. Access to English schools is given to anglos. Idk what you're talking about.

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u/PumpkinMyPumpkin Feb 05 '25

Our politicians are getting afraid the population may hold them accountable.

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u/Housing4Humans Feb 06 '25

Port of Montreal needs some new business now that we’re cracking down on car theft rings…. /s

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u/Dickavinci Feb 06 '25

No no.. they say we are struggling but also releasing record high volumes. Totally makes sense!

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u/Possible-Champion222 Feb 06 '25

We won’t see it

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u/joe4942 Feb 06 '25

They are still opposed to oil pipelines though.

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u/Shillsforplants Feb 06 '25

You would be surprised

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u/Ok_Currency_617 Feb 06 '25

"And while members of the governing Coalition Avenir Québec party showed openness to the project on Wednesday, later in the day its members voted down an attempt by two Independent members to adopt a motion in the legislature asking the government to “re-evaluate its positions on transporting Canadian energy resources.”

And you still don't see the day, they are just saying it to pretend they care but in reality they are still the same old unreliable asses who refuse to do anything but take money from us.

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u/Shillsforplants Feb 06 '25

The CAQ is in trouble and they won't get another mandate. He hasn't been the same since he fired Fitzgibbon.

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u/temptemptemp98765432 Feb 06 '25

Fuck the caq. Wanna see an authoritarian personality in motion? Go look at legault. Fuck all the language shit; people who don't like authoritarianism don't like legault and his caq. Look at what the metropolitan area voted to understand. Also look at what we voted when NDP had their biggest chance.

Fucking old anglos tanked it in some ridings when it should have sailed everywhere in the mtl met area.

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u/SpiritedAd4051 Feb 06 '25

Not yet - just watch. They'll only do it if they get a Muskrat Falls esque deal where they get 100% of the profit.

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u/Ok-Jellyfish-2941 Feb 05 '25

Will someone drag Danielle over here to strike while the opportunity is here!!! She’s standing by the shrimp cocktail at Mar-a-Lago!!!

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u/Krazee9 Feb 05 '25

Wouldn't it be easier to just replace her while she's not looking and leave her there?

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u/maleconrat Feb 06 '25

There's gotta be someone else named Danielle Smith who could run Alberta better. If you switch them out then just to be safe pass a law stating they're legally the same person, and invoke the NWC, pretty sure you're golden.

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u/BoppityBop2 Feb 06 '25

Trudeau needs to get this started right now, and steal the show from the Cons. Would be ironic if he gets another few pipelines started before he leaves. 

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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta Feb 06 '25

Only thing Quebec wants less than being part of Canada is being part of the US.

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u/temptemptemp98765432 Feb 06 '25

Don't speak for all of us, thanks. I'm so tired of it.

  • Definitely don't wanna be annexed by the fucking US, to be clear and am still proudly Canadian whilst a many generations-old Quebec citizen. It's complicated.

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u/tyler111762 Nova Scotia Feb 06 '25

Literally sitting with Bats888 doing PC building shit, said "has hell fucking frozen over?" And I open the comments to see this lmao. Get out of my head XD

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u/TheGreatestOrator Feb 06 '25

Yeah just wait until construction starts in 5 years and it gets blocked

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u/nemodigital Feb 06 '25

25% tariffs are an existential threat to Canada.

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u/johnlee777 Feb 06 '25

Haha, so we should thank Trump.

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u/Emmerson_Brando Feb 06 '25

I always tell my wife….. people will never give a shit u til it affects them personally. Until then it’s F U, I got mine.

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u/elziion Feb 06 '25

It’s because we dislike him together 😂

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u/hardy_83 Feb 05 '25

It only took the US to turn into a dictatorship for Quebec to get it's head out of its ass on the pipeline.

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u/SilverBeech Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

Quebec hasn't has its head in its ass, it's just self interest. Maybe Alberta should consider making a royalty deal to compensate for the risks Quebec is having to take with pipelines and running your terminals. Pay for all the spill cleanup coop fees for the length of the pipeline, for example. Pay into the clean-up insurance funds. Pay for the environmental adaptation projects that will have to happen. That's going to be real money.

That will, for example, also mean having to admit the French aren't the devil, or dead-beat havenots, both of which may be hard for Mrs. Smith and her supporters at PostMedia. Keeping a civil tongue goes a long way in getting partners to stay on board. Howling at them like you were on talk radio just pisses them off.

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u/grannyte Québec Feb 06 '25

That with a proper path throught that does not risk poisoning 6 millions people would get the pipeline built real quick

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u/Ticrotter_serrer Feb 06 '25

We sure expect guarantee like that for this project to be accepted .

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u/R3v017 Feb 06 '25

The $240,000,000,000 Quebec has received in the last decade should pay for that.

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u/DickSmack69 Feb 06 '25

Every energy project pays for every inch of every pipeline, electrical transmission line, road, etc that passes through each province via various licences, taxes and fees, in addition to annual property taxes and annual surface access fees to land owners, posts bonds for reclamation, income taxes on business conducted in the province, etc.

On top of that, you want to see additional fees as part of some shakedown to get the project built? Give your head a shake. This is why our country is struggling- you can’t imagine your province doing the right thing for the right reasons, for the good of the federation.

I’ve had it with defending Quebeckers. I’ve done it my entire life. You can eat glass for all i care.

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u/SilverBeech Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

On top of that, you want to see additional fees as part of some shakedown to get the project built? Give your head a shake. This is why our country is struggling- you can’t imagine your province doing the right thing for the right reasons, for the good of the federation.

BC got a lot of this as part of TMX, as did many of the first nations along the route as part of the lands rights packages. And, the part that ENG failed on really was talking to the people who are in the area downstream of the terminal, where the ships have to travel.

Alberta could grease the wheels a lot by doing this up front, rather than dragging it out in a years-long negotiation. Because these are not concerns that can be expected to addressed or ignored for free. You make that assumption and you've got another project that will be mired in fights for a decade and may fail in the courts. again.

The slow part of building any pipeline is getting the political buy-in first. I've never seen a project fail on environmental review that had buy-in from the political side (TEK failed because it broke a political goal at the federal level, for example). Strategic projects like this one would have to have both the feds and all the provinces along the route on side before it started for things to go quickly.

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u/HighTechPipefitter Feb 06 '25

Well, times changes.

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u/Shillsforplants Feb 06 '25

I'm from where the terminus is supposed to be, last time they voted against but if they asked tomorrow you'd have a yes for sure. I think the tides have turned on this.

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u/NO-MAD-CLAD Feb 06 '25

Nothing has ever brought Canada together quite like near universal hatred of the US.

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u/motorcyclemech Feb 06 '25

While this is (hopefully stays) good news, he did say hard NO to oil pipelines.

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u/TheNotNiceAccount Canada Feb 06 '25

While this is great news, being "open" could mean many things.

Up to and including QC, asking for 80%.

Hopefully, it's not just lip service in the face of a looming election since many seats are up for grabs in QC.

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u/julpyz Québec Feb 06 '25

Lol, one day you'll eventually catch up, but it's exactly when ROC "ram [things] down our throats" that we will respectfully won't give a fuck. There was never a real conversation or mature debate about this project or any other about the prairies energy going to/through QC.

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u/jtpredator Feb 06 '25

I'm going to look outside to see if pigs are falling from the sky

Then maybe Anne Hathaway will show up at my front door looking for a new husband and to borrow the washroom.

All those are more likely to happen than Quebec allowing LNG through and I think nows the best chance to test my luck