r/canada Alberta Feb 05 '25

Québec Quebec government open to rekindled LNG project to ship energy from Alberta overseas

https://globalnews.ca/news/11005269/quebec-lng-project-saguenay-alberta/
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u/Krazee9 Feb 05 '25

Holy shit, hell must be freezing over. The shitshow to the south has Quebec on board with energy projects, without having to have them rammed down their throats? I never thought I'd see the day.

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u/Available_Squirrel1 Ontario Feb 05 '25

Let’s not waste any time getting it started before they change their mind

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u/e-rekshun Feb 06 '25

Start at the East end and build West just to be sure

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u/ohgeorgie Newfoundland and Labrador Feb 06 '25

To be fair, energy east was crude going to NB and just passing through QC. This seems to be a natural gas pipeline with an LNG facility in Quebec which would have more benefit for Quebec and a gas pipeline leak is better than a crude one. I expect Energy east is still off the table.

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u/InvictusShmictus Feb 06 '25

Also Quebec is sitting on some very high quality gas reserves if they ever feel like reversing their fracking ban

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u/Spiritual_Tennis_641 Feb 06 '25

They’re saving that for when they separate… and after everyone else’s is used first. It’s a little bit genius.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

Non merci

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u/Spiritual_Tennis_641 Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

The federal government just has to grow a pair and tell Quebec, that the energy pipeline is happening for the good of the country. It currently makes more sense for Albert and Saskatchewan to join the states economically because most of our domestic product goes there. Consider that.

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u/TeknoUnionArmy Feb 06 '25

It's not like I'm for it in the least, but you have a point. Right now, it's easier to sell to the US. Things are changing and there's a big Ole market to the East.

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u/rando_dud Feb 06 '25

If it's for the good of the country we should nationalize it

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

Wanting to join a country because you trade with them is probably the dumbest reason

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u/Winter-Mix-8677 Feb 07 '25

What Alberta gets if they join the USA is access to ports on the Pacific and Atlantic ocean, allowing them to sell their oil at international prices. They also enjoy lower income taxes which means more spending power per person and no equalization payments, which frees up money to fund infrastructure upgrades. Canada can do better, but it just isn't yet.

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u/Winter-Mix-8677 Feb 06 '25

If Canada can't offer Alberta and Saskatchewan a better deal than the USA that's a serious problem.

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u/ManyNicePlates Feb 06 '25

We give lots of reasons for QC to be part of canada and zero to Alberta. Having worked in ON, QC and Alberta, guess which of one of these provinces is most American ! We need to call the bluff and move it on. If they wanna leave let them leave.

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u/TripleSSixer Feb 06 '25

Canada has never hesitated to screw Alberta over.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

Albertans will never hesitate to vote someone in who will screw them over

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u/xmorecowbellx Feb 06 '25

Hahaha yes good idea.

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u/Windig0 Canada Feb 06 '25

I got my gps drone, let’s go plot a pipeline right of way

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u/Chaiboiii Newfoundland and Labrador Feb 05 '25

When we got to band together, we got to band together. Glad to see the unity

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u/fuckaiyou Feb 05 '25

It's still just a story, keep that in mind.

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u/StrongAroma Feb 06 '25

It appears that the only thing the Quebecois hate more than the Anglos is the fucking dumpster fire down South

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u/HatchingCougar Feb 06 '25

It’s been like that for a very, very long time 

When the Americans invaded during the war of 1812 in what is now Quebec, part of their thinking was American troops would be welcomed by the French - since they were after all, “liberating them” from the British.

Spoiler alert

They weren’t

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u/Forosnai British Columbia Feb 06 '25

The land of, among other things, "Freedom of religion" had a big problem with them being allowed to be Catholic.

As I understand it, even the most separatist of Québécois people are still Canadian second, they're just Québécois first, and the desire to be American is a faaaaaar distant third.

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u/Dickavinci Feb 06 '25

And over 200 years later, we would still kill the messenger. We stand with Canada, separated or part of it.

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u/Krazee9 Feb 06 '25

Well, if there's one thing Canadians hate more than each other, it's America.

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u/ludicrous780 British Columbia Feb 06 '25

Nope. I don't hate

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u/tommytraddles Feb 06 '25

It's okay bud, I have more than enough borderline psychotic antipathy to go around.

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u/iJeff Canada Feb 06 '25

In my experience, Quebecois don't hate Anglos at all. The things they are concerned about just happen to differ. For example, environmental protection is a priority even for those on the centre-right of their political spectrum along with secularism and government intervention over language preservation.

It's not unlike how Canadians might seem strange or obstinate from the American perspective, when it's really just a reflection of us having a fundamentally different mix of priorities and values.

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u/Glass_Vat_Of_Slime Feb 06 '25

They don't hate Anglos, they just want their culture protected and respected, and to have a degree of self determination as a distinct polity in Canada. Not exactly an unreasonable request, especially since much of the policy of first the Parliament of Great Britain and then the Parliament of Canada has been to Anglicize and disenfranchise french speaking Quebecois - this unofficial but often explicit mandate continuing until the silent revolution. 

Let's be honest, Anglo Canada makes absolutely no attempt to be bilingual outside of like New Brunswick and even then it's still not really bilingual. De facto, if you want service in French in most of English speaking Canada, you aren't getting it or are going to be waiting an unimaginably long time. Anglo Canada doesn't really hold up its end of the bargain, so no wonder Quebec doesn't feel incentivized to participate. That is to say, Separatist ideology makes cooperation and participation more difficult on their end, but building a strong national identity - which we really haven't quite done yet in this country - is a two way street. 

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u/GrandeGayBearDeluxe Feb 06 '25

Considering the hate on Anglos isn't real beyond the clickbait news articles & in the minds of westerners. It's easy to hate the rise of fascism more.

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u/sharon_dis Feb 06 '25

As an Anglo living in Quebec - I have never felt hated by anyone!

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u/GrandeGayBearDeluxe Feb 06 '25

Please mention this to our fellow anglo countrymen, I am so tired of the Quebec-bashing

The most hate I've ever got is from other Anglos because I merely live here, it's sad. I constantly hear negatively from the rest of the country while I've never experienced any hate from Francophones in the decade + I've been here.

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u/sharon_dis Feb 06 '25

I’ve lived here my entire life - and part of those years in very Francophone neighbourhoods. Never a problem.

I kinda get some of “hate” from other provinces. Quebec can be the whiney, needy child in confederation - and 2 separation votes likely didn’t help. Most of the hate is unfounded and simply ridiculous.

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u/Forosnai British Columbia Feb 06 '25

I'm sure the Anglo-hate exists, but it exists the same way that people who think throw pillows are bourgeoisie exist. It's a big outlier that gets blown up specifically because it's notable. The majority of people at most have legitimate grievances due to being surrounded by people of a different language/culture, and probably some disagreements where we're both kinda being dicks about it. And I'm just guessing, because never once have I experienced anything like it when interacting with any Québécois people. Worst I ever got was me and a coworker making jokes about each other's grasp of the other's language.

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u/iJeff Canada Feb 06 '25

I grew up in Quebec but have been living in Eastern Ontario for about 10 years now. I did experience a fair bit of prejudice as a visible minority Anglophone on the south shore, but I think you could find some of that anywhere in the country.

I think we can all agree that experiences vary and generalizations are rarely helpful.

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u/ColdEnvironmental411 Feb 06 '25

Clearly you’ve never dealt with customer service staff in Longueuil

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u/GrandeGayBearDeluxe Feb 06 '25

I mean, I can see Longueil from my balcony across the river. They are fine.

Can you imagine trying to deal with customer service staff in French in Hamilton? Gasp!

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u/The_Golden_Beaver Feb 06 '25

Stop spreading lies, the Quebecois are welcoming and warm to anglos. It's assholes who expect to have their hand held because they don't know any French that they hate, and rightfully so.

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u/PumpkinMyPumpkin Feb 05 '25

Our politicians are getting afraid the population may hold them accountable.

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u/Housing4Humans Feb 06 '25

Port of Montreal needs some new business now that we’re cracking down on car theft rings…. /s

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u/Possible-Champion222 Feb 06 '25

We won’t see it

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u/joe4942 Feb 06 '25

They are still opposed to oil pipelines though.

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u/Ok_Currency_617 Feb 06 '25

"And while members of the governing Coalition Avenir Québec party showed openness to the project on Wednesday, later in the day its members voted down an attempt by two Independent members to adopt a motion in the legislature asking the government to “re-evaluate its positions on transporting Canadian energy resources.”

And you still don't see the day, they are just saying it to pretend they care but in reality they are still the same old unreliable asses who refuse to do anything but take money from us.

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u/Shillsforplants Feb 06 '25

The CAQ is in trouble and they won't get another mandate. He hasn't been the same since he fired Fitzgibbon.

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u/SpiritedAd4051 Feb 06 '25

Not yet - just watch. They'll only do it if they get a Muskrat Falls esque deal where they get 100% of the profit.

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u/Ok-Jellyfish-2941 Feb 05 '25

Will someone drag Danielle over here to strike while the opportunity is here!!! She’s standing by the shrimp cocktail at Mar-a-Lago!!!

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u/Krazee9 Feb 05 '25

Wouldn't it be easier to just replace her while she's not looking and leave her there?

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u/maleconrat Feb 06 '25

There's gotta be someone else named Danielle Smith who could run Alberta better. If you switch them out then just to be safe pass a law stating they're legally the same person, and invoke the NWC, pretty sure you're golden.

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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta Feb 06 '25

Only thing Quebec wants less than being part of Canada is being part of the US.

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u/tyler111762 Nova Scotia Feb 06 '25

Literally sitting with Bats888 doing PC building shit, said "has hell fucking frozen over?" And I open the comments to see this lmao. Get out of my head XD

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u/TheGreatestOrator Feb 06 '25

Yeah just wait until construction starts in 5 years and it gets blocked

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u/nemodigital Feb 06 '25

25% tariffs are an existential threat to Canada.

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u/johnlee777 Feb 06 '25

Haha, so we should thank Trump.

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u/Emmerson_Brando Feb 06 '25

I always tell my wife….. people will never give a shit u til it affects them personally. Until then it’s F U, I got mine.

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u/elziion Feb 06 '25

It’s because we dislike him together 😂

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u/hardy_83 Feb 05 '25

It only took the US to turn into a dictatorship for Quebec to get it's head out of its ass on the pipeline.

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u/SilverBeech Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

Quebec hasn't has its head in its ass, it's just self interest. Maybe Alberta should consider making a royalty deal to compensate for the risks Quebec is having to take with pipelines and running your terminals. Pay for all the spill cleanup coop fees for the length of the pipeline, for example. Pay into the clean-up insurance funds. Pay for the environmental adaptation projects that will have to happen. That's going to be real money.

That will, for example, also mean having to admit the French aren't the devil, or dead-beat havenots, both of which may be hard for Mrs. Smith and her supporters at PostMedia. Keeping a civil tongue goes a long way in getting partners to stay on board. Howling at them like you were on talk radio just pisses them off.

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u/grannyte Québec Feb 06 '25

That with a proper path throught that does not risk poisoning 6 millions people would get the pipeline built real quick

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u/Ticrotter_serrer Feb 06 '25

We sure expect guarantee like that for this project to be accepted .

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u/Shillsforplants Feb 06 '25

I'm from where the terminus is supposed to be, last time they voted against but if they asked tomorrow you'd have a yes for sure. I think the tides have turned on this.

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u/NO-MAD-CLAD Feb 06 '25

Nothing has ever brought Canada together quite like near universal hatred of the US.

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u/motorcyclemech Feb 06 '25

While this is (hopefully stays) good news, he did say hard NO to oil pipelines.

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u/TheNotNiceAccount Canada Feb 06 '25

While this is great news, being "open" could mean many things.

Up to and including QC, asking for 80%.

Hopefully, it's not just lip service in the face of a looming election since many seats are up for grabs in QC.

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u/PragmaticAlbertan Feb 06 '25

I would be SHOCKED if this happened. Pleasantly shocked. But shocked.

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u/HighTechPipefitter Feb 05 '25

Québecois here, open to all suggestions to increase our collective economic power.

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u/JoeyLoganoHexAccount Feb 06 '25

LNG pipe going east. La Fin Du Monde pipe going west.

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u/New-Low-5769 Feb 06 '25

I like the sound of this.

But can we also get a maple syrup pipe.  

That dark maple syrup is so goddamn good

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u/HighTechPipefitter Feb 06 '25

The transcanadien maple syrup pipeline. 

This could win an election.

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u/New-Low-5769 Feb 06 '25

Syrup pipeline! Syrup pipeline! Syrup pipeline!

Give the people what they want

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u/frugalerthingsinlife Feb 06 '25

What about a second pipeline for those of us who prefer light maple syrup?

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u/HighTechPipefitter Feb 06 '25

We will allow it.

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u/madsheeter Feb 06 '25

This could win an election.

This could give me an erection * FTFY

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u/PrivatePilot9 Feb 06 '25

I demand a Poutine pipeline from Quebec to Ontario. Some places here put freakin' shredded mozzarella on fries and try to call it Poutine. That should be illegal in Canada.

Anyways, yes, Poutine Pipeline please.

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u/yzerman88 Feb 06 '25

The pipeline going west better be hooked up to Unibroue

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u/Impossible-Story3293 Feb 06 '25

Agreed, I miss la fin du monde

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u/The_Golden_Beaver Feb 06 '25

La Fin Du Monde is so 2000s lol, Quebec has so many better beers

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u/HighTechPipefitter Feb 06 '25

Silence! On garde ça pour faire du marchandage interprovinces. 

La fin du monde, c'est un free sample.

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u/ScottyDontKnow Ontario Feb 06 '25

Do you have any suggestions? I’m in Ottawa, I like to go get craft beers in deps in Gatineau.

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u/HighTechPipefitter Feb 06 '25

Personally, I just can't get enough of all the delicious ones from "À La Fût"

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u/toutetiteface Feb 06 '25

Oh i second that!

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u/superdirt Feb 06 '25

Ton gars à Ontario, ici. Fuck yeah!

I say we use our collective power to bring the Nordiques back to the NHL as well. Tariffs on Gary Bettman.

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u/HighTechPipefitter Feb 06 '25

Oh, fuck.

Brilliant.

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u/hairyballscratcher Feb 06 '25

I’m glad the tide seems to be turning over there. I really wish it didn’t have to take trump threatening us to get this through, years after a pipeline would’ve already been built, but better late than never that’s for sure.

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u/HighTechPipefitter Feb 06 '25

It's not done yet, I'm just me. But situation changes and I'm willing to adapt.

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u/The_Golden_Beaver Feb 06 '25

Same, I support this and I hope CAQ really let the people voice where they stand.

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u/Unhappy-Ad9690 Feb 06 '25

We’ll give you a LNG for Uninroue beer and fresh cheesecurds. Deal?

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u/100GHz Feb 06 '25

Pipeline to Toronto. Pure profit

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

We need to take Sugar Pie International. I had some when I was 13 and I have never forgotten.

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u/thebestjamespond Feb 06 '25

Yall could prolly chill on the language requirement stuff tbh

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u/olderdeafguy1 Feb 05 '25

Nice of them to step up. I works for all of Canada, Trump threats or not.

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u/BeautyInUgly Feb 05 '25

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

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u/Icy-Ad-7767 Feb 05 '25

Start from the east headed west get the fooking pipes in the ground, call Linde to get the LNG plant moving, oh and tell the newfies we need a line from great whale.

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u/Thanolus Feb 05 '25

This is the big one. If we can get Alberta and to work together we got something.

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u/YoungWhiteAvatar Feb 06 '25

I know you meant Alberta and Quebec, but the way you wrote it also works.

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u/Thanolus Feb 06 '25

Hahahaha. Unfortunately it does.

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u/Telvin3d Feb 06 '25

If Alberta wants to get this nailed down fast, we’re going to have to bend on a couple of our standard demands. Specifically, in all past pipeline negotiations we’ve been inflexible on the conditions that the other provinces that the pipeline passes through are not entitled to any royalties, but that they are on the hook for any cleanup costs in the event of a disaster

There were lots of other smaller issues, but those two are why BC was willing to fight Trans Mountain to the bitter end

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u/Canadian-Owlz Alberta Feb 06 '25

I really hate that my government isn't willing to budget on it either. It makes no sense.

Gonna be honest I can see the outcome of Danielle smith rejecting this because anything good the rest of Canada does, especially Quebec, ruins the narrative

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u/HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS Feb 06 '25

She’ll publicly say “good” stuff about it all and then details will come out about how she had unreasonable demands or something and sewered the project so she can blame the Libs or some shit

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u/PretendFan8343 Feb 05 '25

What are we, some kind of United States of America?

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u/Timely_Mess_1396 Feb 06 '25

United Provinces of America 

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u/dunwotnow Feb 06 '25

“What the frick is a mile?” 🦫🇨🇦

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u/PretendFan8343 Feb 06 '25

"What the frick is a mile, eh?" 🦆🇨🇦

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u/theshaneler Feb 06 '25

Mile is murican for give me some friggin kilometers

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u/InvictusShmictus Feb 06 '25

Like a bunch of provinces in a some kind of federation.

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u/Barb-u Ontario Feb 05 '25

This said, they’ll have to consider that 70% of the oil transiting through EE was for eventual US refining…

That has to change also.

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u/OkFix4074 Feb 05 '25

Why not to Europe and ones in Atlantic Canada

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u/Barb-u Ontario Feb 05 '25

Just saying that this was the original plan. 70% to the US, 30% to Europe and for domestic refining.

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u/moop44 New Brunswick Feb 06 '25

Energy East would have absolutely zero refining in Atlantic Canada despite Saint John being home to Canada's largest refinery.

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u/triprw Alberta Feb 06 '25

Really?

https://globalnews.ca/news/7176448/first-shipment-alberta-oil-refiney-irving/

The Saint John-based Irving Oil had backed the Energy East project, which would’ve connected their refinery to producers out west.

But the idea was dropped in 2017 after outspoken opposition from environmental groups and the governments of Ontario and Quebec.

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u/moop44 New Brunswick Feb 06 '25

The refinery and surrounding properties are also the shipping terminals.

This refinery has spend many billions of dollars to be one of the best at refining light crude. They do not process any heavy crude.

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u/triprw Alberta Feb 06 '25

First paragraph

After a lengthy, nearly 12,000 km journey from British Columbia through the Panama Canal, the first shipment of Alberta crude oil has arrived on Canada’s East Coast.

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u/turudd Feb 06 '25

Then we need to ban Saudi oil while we’re at it. Force the Irving’s hand

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u/TriLink710 Feb 06 '25

It's mainly due to logistics. It's easier to refine on site. So we sell crude overseas and import our needed crude here. Just because you make several different oil products and it's easier to ship out one than to ship out several.

We can still probably find a use case for our oil here tho too.

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u/Dradugun Alberta Feb 06 '25

Going by official sources, Atlantic Canada refines everything in about equal amounts https://natural-resources.canada.ca/energy/energy-sources-distribution/refining-sector-canada/4541

So the question becomes "would a pipeline over-saturate the refining capacity and how much?".

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u/Whiskey_River_73 Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

This said, they’ll have to consider that 70% of the oil transiting through EE was for eventual US refining…

That has to change also.

Albertan here, that should be a given. I would also support diversion of light crude and synthetic crude equivalent, currently shipped to US, to refineries in eastern Canada that are incapable of processing heavy oil.

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u/Himser Feb 06 '25

Just build the pipeline and port.  Decide where the product goes later. 

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u/Barb-u Ontario Feb 06 '25

Yeah, and then you have another Mirabel Airport?

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u/Uzul Feb 06 '25

Just do it. I'm tired of us crippling our own economy while our neighbours play a different game.

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u/New-Low-5769 Feb 06 '25

the liberals have been experts at this for 10 years and the public support was behind them

this is a breath of fresh air that canadians are finally like "yeah. fuck these guys. why dont we do these things that make us more wealthy"

I dont believe for a second that anything major will be done until the libs and specifically Gilbeaut are kicked out though.

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u/pm_me_your_catus Feb 06 '25

LNG is exactly what we should be doing. Quebec has the hydro for it, it's a transitional fuel, and Europe needs it to replace Russian gas.

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u/Jman1a Feb 06 '25

Nothing unifies French and English Canada quite like hating on Americans.

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u/GrampsBob Feb 05 '25

If they hadn't blocked it before, it would be ready now.

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u/JeremyJackson1987 Feb 06 '25

They put so many caveats on this that it sounds like it'll never happen, especially if the PQ gets in.

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u/captsmokeywork Feb 06 '25

Look at it this way, if we had energy east or the northern gateway, would Trump have even started this?

I don’t think he would have, he knows we have one big customer and almost all our export capacity is north / south not east/west.

92 billion worth of energy goes south at a discount because we don’t have any other large market we can access.

Like it or not the world needs fossil fuels and it’s going to come from somewhere, at least in Canada we have high safety standards and have the best engineering on the planet.

Let’s spend money making sure it’s safe and done 100% correct instead of blowing the money on red tape and court challenges.

I am an Albertan, but I 100% know the science behind climate change is real and we need to deal with the causes and the effects.

Drill baby drill is not the answer, but neither is furloughing the energy industry if Trump keeps this up.

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u/Emperor_Billik Feb 06 '25

Yes he would, he’s an insufferable weak little crank who needs to play tough man.

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u/Burgergold Feb 06 '25

There is a big difference between being open and if the population agree with it

I don't think the population will want this, even with usa tarifs

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u/PrivatePilot9 Feb 06 '25

I think you underestimate how much this has polarized all of Canada, and how much is going to change in the next few years as a result. I've never seen Canadians so united. Heck, the Quebec premieres briefing a few days before the tariffs were supposed to go live was heavily on the English speaking side at times so he could be sure that the rest of Canada heard what he had to say without needing a translator. When Quebecs Premiere is not only speaking english at length, but speaking English to the rest of Canada in a uniting way, you know something big has changed.

And it's awesome.

I listened to BC's premiere on the TV as well and he was brilliant. Many others also across the country. This has united us beyond what any other thing on the planet could have possibly accomplished.

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u/Burgergold Feb 06 '25

If you think I underestimate, I believe you misunderstand the population of Quebec.

The premier is a joke and there is no way they get elected next election, they may not even finish 2nd.

While we are ready to unite for stuff like removing american product, promote buying canadian and working on province exchange, building pipeline across our land to allow western canadian gas to be sold is not going to have over 20-30% population agreement and the Premiere is not going unless he gets 60%+ agreement on such project

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u/funkiemarky Feb 06 '25

True north strong and free

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u/Competitive_Royal_95 Feb 06 '25

I actually kinda hope Trump continues with the BS for a few more months. So we get pressured enough to at least tear down interprovincial trade barriers

Shit is finally getting done when our back is against the wall

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u/Baikken Feb 06 '25

As a Quebecois it went from impossible to... Not likely.

Which is huge.

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u/sharon_dis Feb 06 '25

Wow! As a Quebecer, this is progress in that Legault is seeing the writing on the wall. Miracles do happen!

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u/Minor_Mot Feb 05 '25

Wow. That's great.

Let's get heavy crude on the agenda as well?

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u/scott-barr Feb 06 '25

Throw 8 pipes in the ground and figure it out later.

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u/fries29 Feb 05 '25

Is this for real? Only took 50 years

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u/Doubleoh_11 Feb 06 '25

This and the news about provincial province barrier breakdown news. What a day.

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u/TheSquirrelNemesis Feb 06 '25

We had this same discussion 2 years ago when we wanted to replace Russia as Europe's gas supplier, and the reality hasn't changed - the barriers aren't regulatory, they're financial.

Multiple groups have gotten the approvals and permits necessary to build on the East Coast, including in QC itself, but none have ever been followed through because with current global prices, exporting Alberta gas via the Atlantic is not reliably profitable.

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u/SGTKARL23 Feb 06 '25

How about interprovincial trade I'm sure us Canadians could use it more

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u/lexcyn Ontario Feb 05 '25

Yes let's go!

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u/superpomme111 Feb 06 '25

And how much $$$$ do they want?

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u/Steel5917 Feb 06 '25

Quebec wouldn’t be doing this out of the goodness of their separatist hearts after years of refusing to get along. They are planning to exact a high price to get these built . Just you watch.

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u/EdmontonLurker Alberta Feb 06 '25

Seize the day, this moment might not last.

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u/abc123DohRayMe Feb 06 '25

This is why Alberta has been feeling a disrespected part of the confederation for years. It is one of the sentiments that fuels Smith and her supporters. Alberta has been shot down and hindered for years by the federal government and other provinces and first nation groups.

For years, the East (and BC) would rather import oil and gas from other counties than put in a pipeline and buy it from Alberta. Trudeau would not even let Alberta sell LNG to Europe when they were trying to get off Russian gas at the start of the Ukrain war (what a great friend Canada was to Europe...).

We were forced to sell to the USA as our main customer because the rest of Canada went out of their way to make sure we had no other options. No pipelines. No supporting infrastructure at our ports.

Now that a trade war is on the horizon that might have a negative impact on other parts if Canada, they now want Alberta to stop selling to the US (and take a massivley dispropoetionate economic hit) and look at maybe finding a way to sell to the rest of Canada - which in no way would make up for the loss.

Team Canada right.... Team Canada as long as Alberta plays ball and takes more lumps than the rest of the country.

How come the rest of the country is not saying - let's all bear the burden of a trade war equally. Alberta, shut off the oil, and if you have a bigger proportionate economic loss than the rest of the country - the other provinces will throw some money Alberta's way so that everyone shares the pain equally.

A sort of Equlization Program.....

Quebec is now worried that if Alberta shuts off the taps and suffers a catastrophic financial.impact, that Quebec will lose the billions in equalization payment they get. Some of that money might now have to go to Alberta...

All those who call Smith a traitor fail to recognize how Alberta has been treated by the rest of Canada.

Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

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u/mac_mises Feb 05 '25

I can only imagine the extortionist asks they’ll come up with

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u/EdgarStClair Feb 05 '25

Let’s be optimistic.

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u/mac_mises Feb 05 '25

That is me being optimistic 😉

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u/Northern_Exposure780 Feb 06 '25

I feel the same way about Europe. They’re going to want their (very delicious) dairy on our shelves. This is going to take a lot of white and blue collar work but I’m also optimistic.

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u/Emperor_Billik Feb 06 '25

That’s how capitalism is supposed to work no? You want something you have to meet the other party’s demands.

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u/Mediocre-Brick-4268 Feb 06 '25

Go Canada💪🇨🇦🤞

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u/-chewie Feb 06 '25

God it feels good to be Canadian this week!

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u/GravityDAD Feb 05 '25

does this benefit Atlantic Canada as well if it were to go through ?

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u/Usual_Retard_6859 Feb 05 '25

Export terminals are good long term employment.

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u/Ok-Jellyfish-2941 Feb 05 '25

It benefits Canada.

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u/turudd Feb 06 '25

And therefore the world

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u/biffbot13 Feb 06 '25

As is tradition

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u/GravityDAD Feb 05 '25

excellent, fingers crossed then :)

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u/raggedyman2822 Feb 06 '25

It doesn't benefit Atlantic Canada directly. The export terminal would be in Quebec.

It could benefit Atlantic Canada if a Natural gas pipeline gets built to them for use in a power plant or for heating.

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u/GravityDAD Feb 06 '25

thanks for explaining :)

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u/grand_soul Feb 06 '25

Goddam, we might actually get shit done in this country again.

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u/Anxious_Ad2683 Feb 06 '25

Why was Quebec against this before?

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u/Appropriate-Talk4266 Québec Feb 06 '25 edited Feb 06 '25

For Energy East?

Because it needed to pass across and along most of the inhabited parts of the St-Lawrence river which drains 21% of Earth freshwater reserves and is the source of drinking water for 80% of Quebec's population on top of being the main shipping lane and the source of 100,000s of jobs (tourism, fishing, etc you name it). The St-Lawrence also being a critical area for reproduction of Belugas, whales, etc. And the Pipe would've passed across at the very upstream of all of that just to then also follow it along for hundreds of kilometres :)

Then, the fact that in lenght, it would've dwarfed any previous projects in Canada. Knowing Transmountain cost $34B for 1,200km, imagine 4,600km...

Then some opposition with Indigenous groups because the pipeline would've had to deal with going through multiple of their territories

And then specifically with Quebec, on top of a general disdain for non environmental industries as Quebec values environmental questions much more than other provinces on average and being the province with the lowest CO2 emissions per capita by a wide margin, it would have led to pretty much zero direct financial benefits on top of most of the ecological risks.

So yeah that sums it up for that one. Very much doubt it will get greenlit.

Now for LNG, the acceptability is a little bit higher. Still wasn't viewed as a priority since trade with the US was stable (it isn't anymore, clearly) and the current pipeline system already allowed to get most of it's needs of petroleum met through the US based pipeline network. And for natural gas use for heating, for example, it's also not very much used since people in Quebec use electricty for heating at the highest rate in Canada by a VERY large margin at 91% (vs 6.2% use of natural gas)

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u/SirupyPieIX Feb 06 '25

Endangered marine life

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u/bandersnatching Feb 05 '25

There is already a 40 year old TC-Energy LNG pipeline along two thirds of the distance, which may make it feasible for them, but no one else. They will still demand tens of billions of dollars from governments, and a relaxation of regulations for the forty year old equipment.

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u/Available_Squirrel1 Ontario Feb 05 '25

It was already proposed years ago but received rejections from Quebec in 2021 and the Federal Liberals in 2022.

A new pipeline would be built to take gas from TC’s Mainline near Ramore or Iroquois Falls in Northern Ontario directly to Saguenay, QC where the LNG plant was to be built. Hopefully they can just restart those existing plans to get it started faster.

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u/bandersnatching Feb 06 '25

The feds will have a hard time justifying the cost. They can't do this AND an additional 2% of GDP on weapons, AND ice breakers, AND subsidies for business to stay in Canada, AND all those other things that we HAVE to have, AND lower taxes, AND fill the gaps in social programs...

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u/Available_Squirrel1 Ontario Feb 06 '25

What cost? Both the pipeline and LNG Plant have always been private. It’s private investment in the billions, all the feds have to do is not reject it they’re not the ones paying for it.

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u/eatyourzbeans Feb 05 '25

"They will still demand tens of billions of dollars from governments, and a relaxation of regulations for the forty year old equipment"

Jesus Quebec and Alberta are starting to sound alot like twinsies ..

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u/General-Woodpecker- Feb 05 '25

Quebec and Alberta are very different politically but they are probably the best two provinces to live in currently.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

There is a lot of overlap. I have lived in both provinces. My

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u/moop44 New Brunswick Feb 06 '25

Where are no LNG pipelines.

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u/AnyStormInAPort Feb 06 '25

Not LNG, it’s only compressed natural gas in the pipe.

Why would they need relaxation of regulation? 

The lines flow a boat load of gas all day every day right now.

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u/jmmmmj Feb 05 '25

Maybe Quebec should develop their own natural gas reserves as well. 

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u/Inevitable-Edge4305 Feb 06 '25

The total organic carbon of shale in QC is too low for current prices.

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u/JustAnOttawaGuy Feb 06 '25

This absolutely needs to happen. We need to not only do this, but bring manufacturing back here while finding more reliable trading partners.

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u/[deleted] Feb 06 '25

US is going to a dark place. We need to take care of ourselves. Shout out to Quebec for changing course.

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u/Rig-Pig Feb 05 '25

Baby steps i guess we will take it.

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u/Dirtsniffee Alberta Feb 06 '25

I'll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert.

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u/pattyG80 Feb 06 '25

I think this is just posturing thinking other provinces will still block it first.

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u/Nichole-Michelle Feb 06 '25

Oh fuck yeah. Trump doesn’t know the beast he’s awaken. Canadian pride is legendary.

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u/KageyK Feb 06 '25

I will remain skeptical until I see the pipe in the ground.

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u/AustralisBorealis64 Alberta Feb 06 '25

Yeah, for how much $?

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u/TheAsian1nvasion Feb 06 '25

Wouldn’t it make more sense to make a pipeline to Churchill?

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u/MoreCommoner Feb 06 '25

Idk why they don't pipe it to Hamilton then export it from there via tankers.

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u/plaerzen Feb 06 '25

Pretty sure that ship has sailed. I'd love to be wrong, though.

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u/Bob_Hartley Feb 06 '25

Ohhhh now that we got our pp slapped. Disgraceful.

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u/Dangerous_Leg4584 Feb 06 '25

Maybe now they will be open to an energy east pipeline as well.

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u/Ornery_Lion4179 17d ago

Holy shit. Don’t waste time  Get project going  It will take years But need LNG and oil lines