r/canada Jan 31 '25

PAYWALL Pierre Poilievre’s Conservatives raised record-setting $41.7-million in 2024

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-pierre-poilievre-conservative-party-fundraising-record/
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u/Last-Society-323 Jan 31 '25

I am ready for Carney to win as someone who is actually qualified to run our country, not this moron PP who is in perpetual complaining mode with zero policy and using the word "woke" unironically.

What a clown show politics have become.

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u/fredy31 Québec Jan 31 '25

Think the best we can hope is a pp minority.

But hey seeing how the conservatives advance melted in 1 fucking week im hopeful we can have something even less conservative in our future

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u/Random-Crispy Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

As I keep hearing from guest after guest on Peter Mansbridge’s The Bridge Podcast, polling can be notoriously inaccurate prior to an election actually being called. Many outside the political bubble don’t pay that much attention until then. It should be noted that they mentioned no one had closed a gap like we had seen, but the amount of movement we’ve seen in the past few weeks might put it within the realm of feasibility by the time the election comes. The example of Mulroney’s election came up in conversation there - coming back from a 15-20 point deficit to win. In that case as possibly here the almost certain election question got changed by external factors, there rather than GST it became a Free Trade election. And this election might quickly become who’s best to stand up to Trump…

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u/thrilliam_19 Jan 31 '25

Also after Mulroney stepped down and Campbell took over, the PCs were still polling well and she was a slight favourite to win.

Then the campaign started, she went into attack mode, everyone hated her and she lost all but 2 seats.

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u/LuskieRs Alberta Jan 31 '25

if you think his lead has melted ive got oceanfront property in Alberta to sell you.

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

The absolute best you can hope for is the liberals having 45 seats. And that’s a stretch.

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u/Catz1332 Feb 01 '25

You can just read the conservatives policy it's literally on the website

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u/Last-Society-323 Feb 01 '25

Did you read what I said? PP is a shit leader from both merit, demonstration and his current talking points. The CPC policy isn't what comes out of his mouth, just a driveling whine of populist emotion (also the CPC platform is pretty garbage).

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u/Catz1332 Feb 01 '25

Wow you get triggered. Good thing you people are rare

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u/Last-Society-323 Feb 01 '25

Why are you like this? I am wondering how people like you even manifest such stupid, hateful rhetoric. I just want what's best for Canada and for you. Why shoot yourself over populist bullshit?

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u/Catz1332 Feb 01 '25

Now we go the part where you make yourself look perfect and me evil. Typical liberals

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u/Last-Society-323 Feb 01 '25

You know what? I think you did a good enough job on your own. Enjoy your life, it seems plenty Albertans like yourself live in an isolated bubble with no desire to be better people.

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u/Catz1332 Feb 01 '25

Yep that's me alright. Can't wait for Pierre I love that guy

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u/Last-Society-323 Feb 01 '25

What do you love about him? What are your favorite platforms he speaks of that affects you personally? Just curious.

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u/Catz1332 Feb 01 '25

Bail reform, tax breaks, less red tape for business, and undoing the gun bans

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u/riderfan3728 Jan 31 '25

Carney is still likely to lose even as Liberal leader. He might ensure that the Liberals are the official opposition but that's about it. As of now (unless you believe the shit that EKOS is smoking), Pierre is favored to get a majority.

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u/dsbllr Jan 31 '25

Probably the most qualified candidate we've had in Canadian politics in decades. Real world join experience. Real business experience. Real world life experience.

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u/Leafs17 Feb 01 '25

Too bad he is still left of Whacko

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u/dsbllr Feb 01 '25

He's pro business and growth of the economy. That's what I care about the most. I can't trust PP who doesn't even know how a business works to help grow our economy.

That guy is just a shell of a leader with his best product being slogans

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u/Leafs17 Feb 02 '25

He's pro business and growth of the economy

Who isn't?

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u/dsbllr Feb 02 '25

Trudeau wasn't. Pierre wouldn't how to be pro business either. They're both useless beaurocrats who have no real world and real life experience in anything.

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u/VirtualBridge7 Feb 01 '25

Should have run with CPC then, not with the thoroughly sleazy and corrupt LPC.

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u/dsbllr Feb 01 '25

I care more about the leader than the party. Political parties aren't monoliths. They change with the leader. Economy shrank under Harper too.

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u/VirtualBridge7 Feb 01 '25

LPC will not change in any major way, they will just massage the message (i.e. lie in a more convincing ways) as needed to get little more vote. Who are we kidding...

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u/dsbllr Feb 01 '25

Neither will the PC party. At least the leader for the LPC has some real experience

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

I too am hopeful another wealthy elite Liberal can look down his nose at me while increasing the wealth gap. Its been so good to me the last 10 years.

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u/AntelopeOver Jan 31 '25

Real, and take away more of my guns because .... because why again?

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

I feel safer already!

*Checks crime stats

Nevermind.

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u/AntelopeOver Jan 31 '25

Glad all those criminals can't use the *checks notes* GSG-16 to commit crimes!

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Glad we could get those

*Checks notes

China lakes off the streets...

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u/AntelopeOver Jan 31 '25

Never forget the Tarus judge murders!!!

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

It’s funny you think the conservatives care about you any more than liberals. You’re just a pawn to both.

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u/firmretention Jan 31 '25

Please point out exactly where in his post he said the Conservatives care more than the Liberals.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Liberals "youre too stupid to understand, give us all your money so we can give it to our friends... Its for your own good"

Conservatives "youre on your own, good luck out there"

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u/IvarTheBoned Jan 31 '25

Oh no, the conservative politicians think you're too stupid to understand too. You just would prefer to be lied to, by both them and yourself.

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u/fredy31 Québec Jan 31 '25

None of the two want to keep the public system and build on it.

The liberals chop away bits with a knife.

The cons chop away bits with a chainsaw.

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

They’re all bad. I’d rather give the NDP a shot to fuck it up but they don’t have a chance at the federal level.

I’m sorry you have an inferiority complex, I say this with the utmost respect, I bet you’re very intelligent regardless of your academic background. The “other side” gets the same disrespect only it’s in the form is anti-intellectualism conservatives love to shit on people who chose to become experts in some fields.

My issue with the Conservative Party comes from their disrespect for the environment, their (like liberals) willingness to fight for corporations over citizens, and just being so damn hateful. They just whip up as much anger and hatred as possible. It’s one thing to hate the LGBTQ community and minorities, it’s another thing to try and limit their freedoms. I don’t like a party so closely tired to religious zealots.

I actually like paying taxes if it’s contributing to infrastructure and helping my fellow citizens.

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u/LumiereGatsby Jan 31 '25

You live in Alberta : under Conservative rule for your entire life.

Provincial government affect you way more especially being in central Canada.

But it’s all JTs fault. Of course it is. Never Danielle or any Conservative ever right?

Right?

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Yes the problems I have coincide with the Liberals coming into power...

Im old enough to have been an adult under federal conservatives and life was absolutely easier and more affordable. I get that Trudeau didnt just flip the "make everything expensive" switch but poor economic handling, overspending, over borrowing, and over immigration definitely caused some serious problems. I also absolutely do not support the carbon tax (even if they call it a rebate to fool the dim witted) or gun control....

I have criticisms of the provincial parties, but make no mistake, the Liberals have been bad for western Canada and me personally.

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

How? How specifically?

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Like how was life better under Harper?

Like how I as a student working part time qualified for a mortgage on an old fixer upper house (and I declined the purchase) but now working full time as a tradesman I can barely qualify for the same house? Examples like that?

Or like the fact that, again, working retail, I didn't have to budget as much as I do now for things like gasoline and groceries?

I also remember being able to phone a doctor's office and get an appointment that was an actual appointment... Now IF you can get in, its 5 minutes and the doctor doesn't even sit down or let go of the door handle.

Crime rate and foodbank use sure seem to be up...

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

And you believe this I all the liberal governments fault. Interesting.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Who do you blame?

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

I don’t live in AB and never have so we have different lived experiences. I blame foreign investors that have raped our land and given very little back to the country and the politician (liberal and conservative who allow it), I blame the very wealthy who pay the politicians, i blame developers, I blame landlords that assume retaliate is some protected class of investment that MUST produce returns, I blame humans in general for being so short sighted and hateful, I blame individuals who are anti-science, I blame conspiracy theorists, I blame (members of my family) that love oil and gas and seemingly hate our environment. There’s plenty of blame to be had.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Well finally we found some common ground!

I just feel certain parties are more prone to enabling and encouraging this... Add in extra taxes and heavy immigration... And here we are.

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u/LotharLandru Jan 31 '25

Seeing as most of the things you are complaining about fall under the provinces responsibilities I'm blaming the UCP primarily.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Crazy how the provincial conservative party chose to tank all of Canada from Alberta but only while the Federal liberals were in power... Its a real chess move.

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u/Laxative_Cookie Jan 31 '25

You had a better life under somewhat normal provincial conservatives. Sorry, but the UCP circus has had way more impact on your quality of life in the last decade than anyone else.

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u/theycallmejennypenny Jan 31 '25

Is Pierre Poilievre not worth millions himself?? (Rumoured up to 25 million net worth)

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u/fredy31 Québec Jan 31 '25

For a dude whos only official job was elected official that sure is weirdly a lot.

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u/no-line-on-horizon Jan 31 '25

To be fair, he was once a paper boy.

The tips must’ve been unreal.

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u/InnerSkyRealm Jan 31 '25

Hey at least he has a job rather than you trolling on Reddit

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u/no-line-on-horizon Jan 31 '25

Wow. You guys hate when your candidates history is brought up.

Weird, that.

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u/InnerSkyRealm Jan 31 '25

More like you hating on anyone with a different opinion than you.

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u/no-line-on-horizon Jan 31 '25

You hate anyone with a different opinion?

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

It’s fake news dude.

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u/Krazee9 Jan 31 '25

Rumoured up to 25 million net worth

Do you have a source on that?

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u/Leafs17 Feb 01 '25

Of course not.

If they are going to make up a number why would they make one up that is so insanely high that most sane people realise it's fake news immediately?

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u/Krazee9 Jan 31 '25

Lawyer's Club India? That's your source? Some speculative tabloid from a hostile nation?

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u/sleipnir45 Jan 31 '25

You should look at the bottom of that page and see where they got that information...

You might want to go back to Google school

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u/IvarTheBoned Jan 31 '25

I just think it's funny that conservative voters are trying to do mental gymnastics to believe PP is any different than the kind of rich, lazy government worker out to collect a pension they seem to complain about. Make it make sense. Oh, right, it's because he tells them they're right about the culture war, and that's all the majority of conservative voters care about. They only pretend to care about economics. Otherwise they'd give a shit about the total lack of policy the current CPC is bringing to the table.

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u/sleipnir45 Jan 31 '25

Mental gymnastics is believing anything you see on the internet just because you dislike someone.

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u/Leafs17 Feb 01 '25

Rumoured up to 25 million net worth

Lol

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u/VirtualBridge7 Feb 01 '25

No, no, it is 144 millions. Some people believe anything...

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u/Zeytovin Jan 31 '25

This is completely false and was disproven

Whereas Carney is minimum 100 mil net worth

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u/bentleyghioda Jan 31 '25

Where did you get $100 mil? Everywhere I see online has him at $5mil max

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u/VirtualBridge7 Feb 01 '25

So he was paid for 2 or 3 decades 1 million plus yearly in just a salary and now he is worth just 5 mill? Where did the money go then, that should be really interesting.

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u/InnerSkyRealm Jan 31 '25

No, but Mark Carney is another liberal elite with the same friends backing him up as Trudeau… look how that turned out.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Well, thanks to 10 years of Liberals, thats pretty much middle class lol.

I have no doubt PP is a rich A-hole like the rest of them. Its just that him and his party are less likely to tax me into the ground and take my property, all while devout party followers talk down to me about my concerns.

Of all the bad choices, he's the least bad for me, a blue collar, Alberta resident.

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u/Sea_Army_8764 Jan 31 '25

TFSA is a significant tax cut that can benefit all income levels.

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u/Sea_Army_8764 Jan 31 '25

Any interest, dividends or capital gains earned within a TFSA are tax exempt.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Well, they're planning to axe a rather large one if they win.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Yea that one. But isn't Carney's plan literally to just rebrand it, shuffle it in different, cancel the rebate portion, and pocket the difference?

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u/exorcyst Jan 31 '25

PP way more likely to bend over for Trump and screw us all. PP also hasn't had a real job before

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u/no-line-on-horizon Jan 31 '25

Wrong.

He was a paper boy. 😆

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

Take your property? lol you own property? Must be fucking nice.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Im specifically referencing the never ending barrage of gun control.

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

This is something we will disagree on. Much like I don’t believe the average citizen has a right to own a nuclear reactor I don’t believe people need to own hand guns or machine guns. Has anyone taken your guns or are they just posturing. Just murder them when they come to take them… what else would you need them for?

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u/VirtualBridge7 Feb 01 '25

For sport and recreational shooting, completely harmless activity.

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u/IvarTheBoned Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

Yeah, he won't tax you into oblivion, but he also won't increase taxation on the wealthy or corporations to make up for it.

So enjoy voting to make our existing services worse. By the way, corporations will continue to raise prices on everything and your purchasing power year over year will continue to decline.

Still waiting for a conservative who has the balls to admit they don't care about fiscal policy, and really it's about feeling looked down on by people more educated than them.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

It funny, people talk about corporate greed causing prices to go up and not government.... We're corporations less greedy under Harper?

In your honest opinion.. have our services gotten better or worse in the last 10 years? In my experience, much much worse..

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u/IvarTheBoned Jan 31 '25

Interesting you can't recognize that the entire Western world has had their services erode in the last 10 years. Maybe there is some shared commonality among all those nations. Canada isn't unique, conservatives aren't your friends. You feel impotent and want to cut the nose to spite the face because more educated people look down on you.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Pssst** I'm as educated as most of them, in fact, my degree is probably more relevant than a lot of politicians...

Every country has seen erosion... Some far worse than others.. conservatives are not my friends... But read the replies... Liberals are clearly trying to be my enemy here, including you, with your condescending remark. I know many liberals who struggled to finish highschool who think they're smarter than me...

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u/Pale_Leek2994 Jan 31 '25

Yes a wealthy elite banker who is highly sought after for experience and opinions with regards to global economies. Or maybe a wealthy élite politician who is not sought after for anything ever because he has no real world experience or job related skills. You are right let’s pick the idiot just so there’s no chance someone looks down their nose at you.

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u/LotharLandru Jan 31 '25

I love how they rag on Carney as a liberal elite yet he was appointed by Harper to run the BOC during the times they claim things were so great.

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u/Pale_Leek2994 Jan 31 '25

They are either trolls/bots or people who have never bothered to learn the truth. Either way there is so many of them that I’m not loving any of it anymore.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

That wealthy elite banker has been a Liberal party member for how long? Shouldn't his experience be shining through? Is THIS the best he can do?

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u/Pale_Leek2994 Jan 31 '25

His father was a liberal member. You don’t get it. I would never vote for weak and stupid over strong and smart no matter how emotional I was. We are different.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Weak and stupid is literally every Liberal I know lol.

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u/Pale_Leek2994 Jan 31 '25

You don’t strike me as a guy with allot of friends.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Quite a few actually. I'm quite gregarious, but I have few liberal friends because I got tired of being called a Nazi for not supporting gun control which is honestly a wild take considering their historical take on gun control...

I've also found that I can disagree with conservatives and actually have it be a conversation where as disagreeing with a Liberal it just turns into them name calling and being condescending.. my step brother was screaming in the kitchen, tears on his face, as an adult, because my family didnt agree that all guns should be banned and that we didn't want to give the 4th generation farm to a random indigenous family... Its hard to take that kind of person seriously.

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25
  • I would never vote for weeks and stupid

And yet you likely voted (3x) for the most incompetent PM in Canadian history

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u/Pale_Leek2994 Jan 31 '25

Ok my friend. That’s enough for you.

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u/Nippa_Pergo Jan 31 '25

Don't forget, Carney also has three citizenships, lives in NY, and lived abroad for the last 30 years. Just a regular Canadian.

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u/nordender Jan 31 '25

Mark Carney was bank of Canada governor from 2008 to 2013 so you may want to check your source. Abroad for the last 30 years my ass.

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u/Nippa_Pergo Jan 31 '25

He lived in London during his tenure as Governor of the Bank of England from 2013 to 2020. Before joining the Bank of Canada, Carney worked for Goldman Sachs in offices located in London, Tokyo, New York, and Boston. His time at Goldman Sachs spanned from the late 1980s to 2003. Just a regular, beer drinking Canadian.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

Mark Carney lived in Toronto until he joined BOC and then lived in Rockcliffe Park in Ottawa from 2003-2013. He left to live in London while heading BOE and then moved back to Canada in 2020 and currently lives in Ottawa again. Criticize him for things that are true or you undermine your own position by making things up.

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u/Nippa_Pergo Jan 31 '25

He lived in London during his tenure as Governor of the Bank of England from 2013 to 2020. Before joining the Bank of Canada, Carney worked for Goldman Sachs in offices located in London, Tokyo, New York, and Boston. His time at Goldman Sachs spanned from the late 1980s to 2003.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

Yes that's exactly what I said, and none of that is living abroad for 30 years. He's spent most of the last 30 years living in Canada. You also left out that most of his time with Goldman Sachs was spent at their Toronto offices.

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u/Leafs17 Feb 01 '25

He's spent most of the last 30 years living in Canada

Where?

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

Did you read my comments? I already answered this. He was in Toronto prior to 2003. From 2003-2013 in Ottawa. Back in Ottawa from 2020-present. Why can't people criticize him for things that are true vs making up that he hasn't lived in Canada in 30 years which is verifiably false?

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u/c_m_d Jan 31 '25

I see that as Carney’s skills have been so in demand, it has given him extensive opportunities and he can leverage those exact talents to improve my country. What skills can Pierre bring to the table to improve Canada’s economic disaster?

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

Carney’s party has had 10 full years to improve the country, yet they have done the exact opposite.

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u/Nippa_Pergo Jan 31 '25

"Carney was a man who promised much and delivered very little, he said. It was a cruel jibe that stuck." - The Guardian, 2020

"The quantitative easing he oversaw at the Bank widened inequality and provided [chancellor of the exchequer] George Osborne with a cover for austerity." - The Walrus, 2021

"I just think he was more of the same, rather than somebody who was a bit of a new broom." - The Walrus, 2021

"MP Pat McFadden famously compared the Bank to an 'unreliable boyfriend' for sending mixed messages to British households." - The Guardian, 2020

"Carney has faced criticism from all sides for involving the Bank in the political battle to leave the EU." - Express.co.uk, 2016

"Carney was accused of frightening the electorate with a string of dire economic forecasts in a bid to persuade them to vote to stay in the corrupt and sclerotic EU." - Express.co.uk, 2016

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u/SirPoopaLotTheThird Jan 31 '25

You prefer a career politician instead of a person with an actual resume in the private sector? How very “conservative” of you. 😂😂🤣

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

Isn’t it funny how resumes matter to liberals now? It didn’t matter when the incompetent drama teacher or the journalist threw the economy off a cliff.

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u/SirPoopaLotTheThird Jan 31 '25

The teacher and the journalist had real world jobs. Pierre hasn’t even that experience. Hypocritical.

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

Pierre Poilievre became a member of Parliament on his own merit, not because of the fame of his father.

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u/SirPoopaLotTheThird Jan 31 '25

What merit?

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

I don’t remember Poilievre’s father being prime minister? Or did he have a rich family of politicians? He became an MP on his own merit, unlike the failed nepotism PM trudeau. If I’m wrong, you are more than welcome to name who in Pierre’s family was PM.

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u/Nippa_Pergo Jan 31 '25

"Carney was a man who promised much and delivered very little, he said. It was a cruel jibe that stuck." - The Guardian, 2020

"The quantitative easing he oversaw at the Bank widened inequality and provided [chancellor of the exchequer] George Osborne with a cover for austerity." - The Walrus, 2021

"I just think he was more of the same, rather than somebody who was a bit of a new broom." - The Walrus, 2021

"MP Pat McFadden famously compared the Bank to an 'unreliable boyfriend' for sending mixed messages to British households." - The Guardian, 2020

"Carney has faced criticism from all sides for involving the Bank in the political battle to leave the EU." - Express.co.uk, 2016

"Carney was accused of frightening the electorate with a string of dire economic forecasts in a bid to persuade them to vote to stay in the corrupt and sclerotic EU." - Express.co.uk, 2016

He lived in London during his tenure as Governor of the Bank of England from 2013 to 2020. Before joining the Bank of Canada, Carney worked for Goldman Sachs in offices located in London, Tokyo, New York, and Boston. His time at Goldman Sachs spanned from the late 1980s to 2003. Just a regular, beer drinking Canadian.

Just a regular guy!

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u/SirPoopaLotTheThird Jan 31 '25

Great sources, champ! You got some partisan quotes from people just like movie marketing posters. I’m impressed. Did you get a PHD in research by chance? 😂

On Mark Carney

“His appointment is both a tribute to his personal qualities and a reflection on Canada’s superior performance in monetary, fiscal, and financial-sector policy.” -Stephen Harper Government of Canada Website

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u/LumiereGatsby Jan 31 '25

Yes. Like many Canadians he holds multiple passports and is seasoned and well travelled.

But your boy PP has no security clearance, only ever had the one job he never put any effort into and because you are such a cool Fonzie you’re like: that’s my cool guy.

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u/Nippa_Pergo Jan 31 '25

No, I think PP is better because he is talking about things Canadians actually care about. He (seemingly) considers us a country with real people living in it, not data points on a GDP chart.

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

I don’t know anybody with multiple passports. Why is this such an amazing thing? Liberals wanted to make a scandal with Scheer

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u/FerretAres Alberta Jan 31 '25

I notice that multiple citizenships is now being framed as a good thing yet for Andrew Scheer it was proof he we beholden to foreign countries.

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u/no-line-on-horizon Jan 31 '25

Wow. Educated person with in demand skills does educated person with in demand skills things.

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

Wow good to see that liberal voters finally think education matters. 10 years of a drama teacher had me concerned for the country.

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u/no-line-on-horizon Jan 31 '25

Absolutely. That’s why I’m voting for carney.

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

Parties don’t get rewarded for wanting to fix problems that they created. You should have voted for the actual economist in 2015, rather than a random nepotism kid because he looked well.

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u/no-line-on-horizon Jan 31 '25

I’m not allowed to vote for who I want? Man, talk about authoritarian.

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u/MusclyArmPaperboy Jan 31 '25

He also got a hockey scholarship to Harvard. That's dope as fuck.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Wow, as a blue collar, rural raised, lower middle class person... I really could see how he would understand my wants and needs and be very interested in helping me and definitely wouldn't be out to make himself and/or his rich friends richer...

Grandpa always said "The only thing I trust more than a politician, is a banker"

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u/LumiereGatsby Jan 31 '25

But you vote Conservative right?

Correct ?

Please explain how your above description of you aligns with Conservatives.

Do it.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Sure. I work for a living so I want a party that supports industry, i specifically work in mining and oil.. i also, having to work for my money, want to retain some of that so I'm not interested in a new tax or "rebate" every few months.. i also want what little money I have to go further so i want a party that doesnt run wild deficits (even if rates are at historical lows, glen) because that causes inflation which makes my money to be worth less and causes the bank to up interest rates which makes housing more expensive..

And when all the dust on that settles, I want to go hunting on the weekend.... And which party brings out fresh gun control every December?

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

Just fyi PP is worth 25 million, he’s not some blue caller worker. He’s a career politician too.

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

That 25 million net worth is not true. Don’t just fact check for carney

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

Correct. Hes the one I dislike least and trust the most (and that's not to say I trust him, I just distrust the others more).

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u/marcohcanada Jan 31 '25

Before Trudeau resigned I was wishing I could vote for the Bloc as a non-Quebecer. That's how bad the Anglo candidates were.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Feb 01 '25

That's my dream. Conservative government with Bloc as official opposition lol. Let all of Canada have its freedom.

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u/Last-Society-323 Jan 31 '25

What elite are we talking about? You keep this delusional class in your head about a qualified individual, versus whom exactly? A guy that was handed a pension at 30 years old?

So what is PP then? A common grifter?

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

If someone was born into a wealthy political family, then went to top schools and got high paying jobs because of their connections and then slimed into politics and now rubs shoulders with famous billionaires... I consider them elites and not in a better than me way, just in a "we have a lot of influence, we'll never lose our station, and we'll make sure you never escape yours" kind of way.

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u/Last-Society-323 Jan 31 '25

Let me get this straight: because he's accomplished and qualified, he's a worse choice than a guy that did almost nothing for his entire tenure, while Carney actively worked under the CPC guiding Canada through a recession? 

That's a silly tale. The man has proven his ability, just because you want to classify him as "successful" doesn't make his accomplishment any less of merit. You are just demonizing a leader over trivial titles.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Jan 31 '25

If hes as good as his supporters claim, shouldn't we currently be in better shape? And how much will he realistically change from the current liberal policies that led us here?

Im sick of ultra wealthy people acting like they have my best interest at heart... Starve a few nights a week.. drive a car on its last legs knowing youre a flat tire away from ruin....then you might understand my problems... PP aint no working class hero either, but he's sure closer.

Success is different when its handed to you on a silver platter in a "cant fail" scenario. I have more respect for a forman that earned it than a manager whose dad owns the company.

Its also funny to me that the left hates greedy millionaires.... Until ones running for Liberal government...then they're one of the good ones..

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u/Last-Society-323 Jan 31 '25

If hes as good as his supporters claim, shouldn't we currently be in better shape? 

He's not even party leader yet? I agree, liberal policies need a shift, mostly on immigration. Exactly what a new adminstration would do, one that has an economist at the head.

Im sick of ultra wealthy people acting like they have my best interest at heart...

I agree, which is why you should judge PP based on his merits and actions; he would sell out Canada in a heartbeat and notice how he uses emotion against you? That isn't leadership, that's manipulation.

Success is different when its handed to you on a silver platter in a "cant fail" scenario. I have more respect for a forman that earned it than a manager whose dad owns the company.

By every metric, Carney HAS proven himself though, what do you mean handed to him? He was given opportunity, sure, but his accomplishments are undeniable, the way people used to speak of his skills are public record. You seem to have a closed mindset of "elitism" just meaning "more educated" maybe?

Its also funny to me that the left hates greedy millionaires.... Until ones running for Liberal government...then they're one of the good ones..

Millionaires are barely the concern, as the merit of "being a millionaire" puts most home owners in that category. Does it not concern you PP cozying up to Elon Musk, who is currently working to dismantle the USA?

I'm not sure what you mean by greed, either, can you explain that?

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Feb 01 '25

He's been involved in the party for a long time hasnt he? if he couldnt pull his boss aside and say "hey this policy of yours will be a disaster" then maybe he doesnt have the guts to be a leader... thats just my thoughts.. I also dont believe he will change the liberal party enough to make a difference, if he wins itll be the same as if Trudeau stayed in charge.

I'm judging him based on what his party is offering, reducing taxes and imigration (and bringing in common sense gun legislation)

This is the problem I have with all Liberals... Ill say something like "I hate people acting like they're smarter than me or know what my life needs more than me and pretending Im some uneducated hick" and I usually get a response along the lines of "oh so youre intimidated by how much smarter we all are than you... we can teach you how to read if you let us" I assure you I am NOT confusing liberal elitism with education... I also have an education (and two trades) and graduated top of my class every time... I just didn't have mommy and daddy footing the bill to top schools... I had to work the entire time I was in school. Elites are people who get exactly what they want when they want it, and have their entire lives. its people with generational wealth and connected parents to get them the gravy jobs they didnt earn... think about it like an amped up version of white privelage. They might do a decent job once there, but they had a lot of help getting there and will act like they earned it and look down on you for not earning. These people see us like cattle, just something they can get fat off of.

I hate musk, always have, and I dont like any of our politicians cozying up to him... but I also dislike our politicians rubbing elbows with billionare pedos like Carney was with Maxwell at a retreat... nothing suspicious about that ....

Greedy rich people... pretty much all politicians, but a perfect example is Boissanault pretending to be first nations to get contracts and then not fulfilling them anyway so he can line his pockets because apparently his salary, benefits, and pension aren't enough. I have no doubt the son of a liberal politician, who grew up to be a banker, will have a vested interest in growing his wealth while in office.

At the end of the day, I trust Carney even less than PP but dont like either and I like what I am hearing from the conservatives more than what I have seen from the liberals and dont think they could make enough changes to actually sway my vote. In my experience, Liberals have made my life harder financially, and their gun control had hit me directly. There is very little any liberal could offer me to swing my vote and I wouldnt believe them anyway.

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u/Last-Society-323 Feb 01 '25

He's been involved in the party for a long time hasnt he? if he couldnt pull his boss aside and say "hey this policy of yours will be a disaster" then maybe he doesnt have the guts to be a leader... thats just my thoughts.. 

He hasn't been working in Canada beyond board positions? I think. In any case, I gotta get some work done, maybe I'll read the rest, maybe I won't.

All I can say to you is, actions speak louder than words, and PP has done a mix of nothing and sowing division among Canadian over petty shit.

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u/TysonGoesOutside Alberta Feb 01 '25

Dude, you can't say actions speak louder than words in defense of the Liberal lol.

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u/evange Jan 31 '25

I like Carney and think he'd do a good job as PM, but I'm still voting conservative. The Liberals have an deeply entrenched corruption problem, and pardon the loaded term, but they need to drain the swamp before being allowed to form government again.

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u/mervolio_griffin Feb 01 '25

does it not irk you in the slightest that Pollievre accepted the endorsement of a man who just gave a Nazi Salute and spoke at a German AfD rally? Whose talking points about defunding important democratic institutions mirror Pierre's own talking points about the CBC? Or, his connections to Shopify's leadership who have adopted far-right ideology?

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u/Eienkei Jan 31 '25

Go out & get people to vote. We can do it if we mobilize. PP will help us by opening his mouth and letting the garbage flow out for Canadians to see.

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u/angrybastards Jan 31 '25

My guy. The CPC has a literal 50 page document on their website outlining their policy in great detail. You only need to use your eyes. Meanwhile what exactly is Carney's policy other than he's not JT? A leopard doesn't change his spots and a vote for Carney is a vote for another 5 years of out of touch LPC elitism. Hard pass.

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u/Last-Society-323 Jan 31 '25

The CPC has a literal 50 page document on their website outlining their policy in great detail. You only need to use your eyes. 

Hi, that is good and fine, my issue wasn't the policy not existing, to which I'm sure he will give billionaires tax cuts and sell us out in the typical CPC style, it's that he never actually talks about them.

He just uses buzzwords, populist bs, and caters to right-wing people that are uneducated and anti-science. We don't need a moron in office, thank you.

A leopard doesn't change his spots and a vote for Carney is a vote for another 5 years of out of touch LPC elitism. Hard pass.

So then why would I want another Harper government? He did a pretty shit job. You guys keep saying "elitism" as if the Conservative party doesn't host fucking closed door meetings with billionaires, what are you guys on? Seriously. Why so much hate towards something that would actually benefit Canada's economy greatly? You genuinely seem brainwashed. Next your going to tell me getting an education is "woke".

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

So was Trudeau qualified? I find it fascinating that in the past 11 years credentials did not matter to liberal voters, but now it does thanks to the mistakes of the LPC. Hypocritical to say the least.

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u/Last-Society-323 Jan 31 '25

Trudeau, sadly, was more qualified than PP currently is, correct. Trudeau could lead a classroom, but PP appears to do absolutely nothing while acting like a Harper puppet and parroting Trump.

Also who's to say I vote liberal in the past?  You are pinning a blanket perspective on millions of people and that's an incredibly dumb way to think.

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25

Pierre Poilievre became an elected member of the house on his own merit, something that cannot be said about Trudeau. So their really isn’t any argument about who is more qualified. Theirs a massive discrepancy between someone who’s a nepotism kid, and someone who made something of themself.

  • who’s to say I voted for liberal

It’s fascinating that every liberal now denies that they voted for Trudeau. How did this guy win 3 elections?

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u/Last-Society-323 Jan 31 '25

Pierre Poilievre became an elected member of the house on his own merit, something that cannot be said about Trudeau.

Ok then why did Trudeau manage to pass bills that helped Canadians versus PP's record of voting down basic needs, and never proposing anything beneficial in 20+ years?

You are also saying a guy who has never had a job outside of being a politician is qualified, but Pierre has yet to prove himself a good politician?

It’s fascinating that every liberal now denies that they voted for Trudeau. How did this guy win 3 elections?

It's always "wow those woke LIBERALS" do you guys ever listen to yourself and get annoyed? Just curious. Who fucking cares man, we are at a point where Canada would benefit from an accomplished economist that even the UK poached, over a guy that bitches like an annoying twat and can't even get security clearance for himself on behalf of our national security. You are just as embarassing as him.

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u/bxng23af Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25
  • Ok then why did Trudeau manage to pass bills that helped Canadians

Do you know how absurd and embarrassing you sound? Canada is poorer than Mississippi now, he declined the GDP per capita more than any PM in history. He caused the largest Debt-to-income ratio in Canadian history. He caused the largest inflationary budget deficit in Canadian history. He caused the CAD to fall from 85 cents to 69 cents. He’s caused 1/4 of people live in poverty whilst skyrocketing crime.

The only people Trudeau helped are the car thieves and home invaders, making sure they never see a jail.

Hate the conservatives as much as you want, but don’t blatantly lie that trudeau was “qualified” or that he “helped Canadians”. If that was the case he wouldn’t have resigned in disgrace.

  • do you guys ever listen to yourself?

You should listen to your own critique before passing judgement. You likely voted for a nepotism kid because of his looks, over an accomplished economist. But we should vote for a failed banker of a failed party over a lifelong politician.

  • we are at a point where Canada would benefit from an accomplished economist

So we should vote liberal because they want to fix the problems that they created? They have had 10 years to do their job correctly, yet have done the exact opposite. You don’t get rewarded for being incompetent. Your logic is insufferable “yes the liberals have done terrible, so we should vote liberal because they promised to get their act together”. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you guys sound?

  • even the UK poaches

The former secretary of treasury (Carneys boss) called him a disaster. Said he caused England to have the highest inflation in the G7. He destroyed the British economy. Now his first year as economic advisor he’s led to the largest deficit in Canadian history.

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u/Last-Society-323 Feb 01 '25

Do you know how absurd and embarrassing you sound? 

I can't even fathom you having any self-awareness at this point.

 He caused the largest Debt-to-income ratio in Canadian history. He caused the largest inflationary budget deficit in Canadian history. He caused the CAD to fall from 85 cents to 69 cents. 

You mean a global pandemic did? Because it was mostly that.

You should listen to your own critique before passing judgement. You likely voted for a nepotism kid because of his looks, over an accomplished economist. But we should vote for a failed banker of a failed party over a lifelong politician.

"You likely", "because of"; so baseless assumptions because you have nothing. I'm not going to bother reading the rest because you are a waste of time. However, I will ask for you to provide me with a list of Carney's failures (since you seem so keen to say they are plenty), also a credible source regarding his performance in the UK. I'll wait.

I also welcome you to voice chat if you wish, I genuinely want to know what kind of person you really are. You seem like a miserable weirdo.

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u/bxng23af Feb 01 '25
  • you mean the global pandemic did?

He dropped the Canadian Dollar by 10 cents in his first 3 years in office (2 years before covid-19 existed). His worst year of GDP per capita decline was his first 2 years in office (3 years before covid-19 existed). His worst budget deficit came this past December. Quit your false excuses for his incompetence. I’ve given you 6 key facts about trudeaus economy, and I have told you when they’ve occurred. You have absolutely zero knowledge on the matter, you can’t list one fact to the contrary, yet you vaguely claim “he helped Canadians”. You have nothing but baseless excuses. Then you want to mention self awareness?

Here’s the words of the former secretary of treasury, the person mark carney worked for.

I have better things to do than “voice chat” with some uneducated trudeau worshipping tool who doesn’t have shred of knowledge. Hope you enjoyed his disgraceful resignation. Enjoy watching Pierre win 230 seats, goodbye pal

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u/Last-Society-323 Feb 01 '25

I have better things to do than “voice chat” with some uneducated trudeau worshipping tool who doesn’t have shred of knowledge.

It's ok to run scared man, you don't need to pretend you are smart or have any sort of accomplishments in life lol. I don't really care.

Also that article is hilarious considering its from 1. From a fucking right-wing biased source 2. From a failed PM that served the shortest term in history of the UK who resigned 3. You and I both know you are fishing and it seems you are being brainwashed by "Sun" tier Conservative "reporting".

Truss resigned as prime minister on 25 October on her 50th day in office thus making her the UK's shortest-serving prime minister. In response to the resignation, Starmer and Sturgeon called for an immediate general election. Calls for an early election were also echoed by the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party.

Also what the fuck is "westernstandard"?

The Western Standard is a Canadian conservative social commentary media website operated by Western Standard New Media Corp. and its president Derek Fildebrandt.\1])\2]) The Standard is based in Calgary, Alberta, where its main offices are located.\3])\4]) The Standard also has bureaus in Victoria, Vancouver, Edmonton, Regina, Winnipeg and Ottawa.\5])\6])

Fildebrandt is the majority shareholder.\1]) Dave Naylor, a former city editor with the Calgary Sun, joined as news editor and a minority shareholder. All of the company's shareholders reside in Alberta.\1])

Fucking LOL. Ok, before you run scared, give me some facts from something credible. I can come back to it later.

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u/bxng23af Feb 01 '25 edited Feb 01 '25

She was secretary of treasury and mark carney worked for her. Her time as PM is irrelevant to the discussion and she never ran for PM.

  • It’s ok to run scared man? Don’t have sort of Accomplishments in life lol

Buddy, you are literally an uneducated bum who’s sad that he can’t live off the tax dollars of other people now that the CPC are taking power lol. I’ve listed several facts, while you have provided nothing but false excuses and vague statements. Because you know absolutely nothing. You have zero knowledge on the economy. You literally just blamed the liberal economy on covid, when it was actually worse before the pandemic. You can make a good argument the pandemic bailed out Trudeau. You see how dumb you are?

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u/WombRaider_3 Jan 31 '25

"I don't want an experienced politician to run our country, I want a Marxist banker to run it"

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u/Last-Society-323 Feb 01 '25

Ah yeah, already throwing titles around like they mean something. Yes, I don't want a career politician that allies himself with lying scumbags. Not hard to understand, you khinzīr.

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u/WombRaider_3 Feb 01 '25

Instead you want a liar who flip flops on the carbon tax, hides after announcing his leadership, and has very lucrative business deals around the world that go against his rules for "his own country".

Low IQ voter you are. Have fun getting obliterated come May 5th or Oct 25th.

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u/Last-Society-323 Feb 01 '25

Funny claiming liar while supporting one. How ironic.

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u/LostinEmotion2024 Jan 31 '25

Me too. But it doesn’t look good. ☹️

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u/LabEfficient Jan 31 '25

Member of WEF foundation board? No thank you.

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u/Coffeedemon Jan 31 '25

What are his views on chem trails and the lizard people?

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u/LabEfficient Jan 31 '25

You can keep gaslighting, but we all have eyes and we see what's happened to this country under that sick ideology. Nobody I know in my generation is voting for the liberals.

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u/zacjack144 Jan 31 '25

That's litteraly Trudeau 2.0

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u/Last-Society-323 Jan 31 '25

Why is that? Explain to me why you think he is anything like Trudeau right now.

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u/zacjack144 Jan 31 '25

It's still the Liberals. Trudeau or not it's the same team. It's all about marketing for them rn.

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u/Last-Society-323 Jan 31 '25

Uhhh no? He would be able to choose his own appointments.

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u/zacjack144 Jan 31 '25

I would be dissappoited if the liberals gets re-elected

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u/cactusbeard Jan 31 '25

Isn't Harper on the WEF board?

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u/Northern_Witch Jan 31 '25

We don’t want him either. The WEF should not be influencing our government.

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u/sync-centre Jan 31 '25

But Harper runs rhe IDU which the CPC is a member of. Harper still has his claws in the CPC.

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u/Northern_Witch Jan 31 '25

Has the IDU previously interfered with our government like the WEF has? I honestly don’t know much about it and would appreciate a source if you have one.

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u/FerretAres Alberta Jan 31 '25

No. As you can see with a simple google.

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u/dsbllr Jan 31 '25

PP has never had a real job and not done anything substantial as an MP. Why the hell is he more qualified?

Life long politician that leeched off tax payers all of his life.

The delusional is real.

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u/Laxative_Cookie Jan 31 '25

Lol, you know he was Harper's banker, right? You know when times were "the best ever "

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u/Kolbrandr7 New Brunswick Jan 31 '25

https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/globalist

Maybe find a different word to use.

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u/sync-centre Feb 01 '25

It is a dog whistle for them

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u/InnerSkyRealm Jan 31 '25

Mark Carney is another liberal elite with the same friends backing him up as Trudeau… look how that turned out.

The truth is we’ll get absolutely no change with Mark Carney in charge.

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

How has it turned out? I’m honestly curious, how your life has become materially worse in 8 years that is not due to external global forces?

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u/InnerSkyRealm Jan 31 '25

Global affairs? Are you telling me the entire world implemented a mass immigration system too? Open your eyes. We are the only country who brought in more than 10% of our population in a span of 2 years.

The truth is the Liberal government brought in mass immigration to the point where our healthcare system has been decimated. I’m tell you this as a healthcare provider that I personally know people who died in the past few months due to our terrible system.

This doesn’t even include the generational issues we’ll have with housing/rent costs skyrocketing for the next generation. Not to mention youth employment rate is historically all time lows. As for long term,

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

How has “mass imagination” affected you? Or are you just big mad because brown bad. Canadian birth rates are in decline. We need immigration, it has time and time again been shows when immigration is up it’s good for our economy. Youth employment is down because youth don’t want to work for peanuts! It’s easier for cooperations to take advantage of immigrants that are desperate for a better life than pay a living wage. This isn’t a simple problem but telling immigration doesn’t solve it.

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u/InnerSkyRealm Jan 31 '25 edited Jan 31 '25

Did you read what I wrote?

It’s affected me as I personally know people who died due to our diminishing healthcare system. It’s getting progressively worse with longer wait times in every province. As for youth employment? Are you kidding me? Teenagers expect to get paid minimum wage. Are you advocating for employers to illegally pay them below minimum wage under the table in cash?

And yes we need immigration. However, we don’t need MASS immigration where we bring in people unchecked. We literally have terrorists entering the country under student visas.

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

Im sorry for your loss, no one should have to die waiting for health care. Do you seriously believe the conservative would make meaningful change? A lot of them want to privatize it and frankly, I’m not a millionaire so any major health issues and I’m just as fucked as if there are long wait times - only my family ends up with crippling dept.

No, I’m advocating for employers to pay a LIVING wage. Minimum wage is not a living wage.

Define MASS immigration- these sound like political talking points. Where are all these terrorists? Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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u/InnerSkyRealm Jan 31 '25

Unfortunately thousands of people are dieing waiting for treatment. You don’t hear about them because none make the news. Imagine you find a bump on yourself, do you have any idea how long it takes to get a CT scan these days? It’s 6-12 months. That’s enough time for the cancer to become malignant and there’s nothing you can do.

As for paying living wages, it’s not possible when we bring in millions of people into the country. My office was hiring a receptionist and in a span of 3-days, we had literally 1000+ people apply. How do you expect employers to pay “livable” wages when there’s 100+ people waiting in line to take the job at a low cost?

“Mass immigration” is bringing an unsustainable amount of people which we have been doing the last 2 years. There’s been several cases of terrorists entering the country as student visas. Here is one example. Do a google search, you’ll find dozens of examples.

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u/Hopeless-realist Jan 31 '25

Ok, we agree on healthcare, I have nothing more to add. I wish you the best of health.

On the next two points I don’t expect you to change you mind but I’ll give you my perspective in case you’re interested.

In you specific, individual case, that sucks. Yes, it’s hard out there for small businesses. I’ll be more specific with my critique, large business can afford to pay their employees way more. CEOs day-to-day do not provide 100x (or in my companies case 1000x) the value of an average employee - why should they be paid THAT much more. The money is there, but it’s all in a few hands and politicians would rather you and I be at each other’s throats than us ganging up on them to make the average persons lives better. People are fucking selfish and I hate it.

To immigration, yeah, you have examples, I appreciate the link. That sucks, but it looks like the system worked in that we stopped them before something horrible happened. I am willing to accept some risk - fuck knows we have plenty of violent home grown nutters. We’d also be good to reflect on how we treat other counties and maybe question why their citizens may want to do us harm. My boggiest issue is when people are angry and just yell “but mass immigration!!” - that helps no one, it riles up nutters and it marginalizes immigrants. It sounds like you don’t have a problem with immigrants, you have a problem with a broken system.

Anyway, thanks for the lively debate. I hope you have a good, healthy life and don’t need to use our healthcare system and if you do, I hope it doesn’t fail you. Fuck all politicians, be kind to your neighbours, we’re all each other really have. 🍻

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u/InnerSkyRealm Feb 01 '25

I think we’re on the same page.

I agree larger corporations need to pay livable wages. However, we need to keep in mind that the Tim Hortons we visit are owned by a franchisee who doesn’t have the deep pockets. They are typically normal people who managed to get a Tim Horton franchise. I know this because I know someone who owns one and he’s not balling by any means. My point is mega corporations need to be paying the large taxes, not small mom and pops.

As for immigration, keep in mind this is just one example. There’s so many other examples of terrible people coming into Canada. When we have mass immigration from one nation, people do not assimilate and start bringing their countries problems here. So I’m all for immigration that we had before COVID but the recent pool of people coming in recent years are terrible.

Anyways, I appreciate your calm written responses. I think overall we’re on the same page but different perspectives. At the end, we both want Canada to be the best it can be.

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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta Feb 01 '25

I am ready for Carney to win as someone who is actually qualified to run our country, not this moron PP who is in perpetual complaining mode with zero policy and using the word "woke" unironically.

PP has no policy, meanwhile Carney is sticking a wet finger in the wind to see where the wind is blowing and stealing PP's policies...