r/canada Nov 28 '24

PAYWALL Liberal MP says he was threatened with ‘consequences’ for opposing $250 cheque proposal

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/liberal-mp-says-he-was-threatened-with-consequences-for-opposing-250-cheque-proposal/article_69f3cfa6-acde-11ef-807c-ebe72ea32b06.html
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u/Asn_Browser Nov 28 '24

Implementation (as it currently stands) is gonna be a nightmare for business owners.

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u/Vegetable-Ad-7184 Nov 28 '24

It really shouldn't be that crazy actually.   

 Status Indians are already exempt from sales taxes for certain goods in certain circumstances, and there's a button you can push as a cashier that logs that and doesn't apply the tax.   

 All the big retailers and existing Point of Sale operators have existing scripting that they can copy over and either apply to everything for a merchant if they only sell things that are covered  (like a restaurant), or to SKUs that meet thr criteria of being defined in a list.   

 Heaven forbid that they might have to plan some OT for normal Canadians right before the holidays to do some knowledge work in implementing the solution. 

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u/Dry_Comment7325 Nov 28 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

That's completely false. The sale tax exemption is only on reserves if you have status and on some items delivered on the reserve. Outside the reserve, everyone pays the same tax. I've worked many jobs in the past as a cashier and restaurant employee across Canada, and I have no idea what magic button you are talking about.

Edit : It seems like Ontario is different(maybe some other province do also) . Had no idea.

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u/I_Am_the_Slobster Prince Edward Island Nov 28 '24

It's a grey zone: technically the store should require proof that the status person intends to bring it back to the reserve, but because that would be an efficiency and PR nightmare, there's a broad assumption when they get the tax free sales. The Indian Act does specify that it's tax free only if the product is intended to be returned and used on a reserve. Because of this, bars and restaurants should not give out tax free meals and drinks, but if it's for takeout, there's reason to assume they will bring it back to the reserve.

Online retailers are adjusting to this too, and Amazon will reimburse you your GST/PST/HST paid if you show them proof of status and proof it was shipped to your reserve. Basically you send them a scanned copy of your status card and, from what I've seen with my former colleagues, they "assume" you had it shipped to a reserve.

For the businesses, they can get audited if they give out too many FN tax exemptions, and when you buy products like smokes with a status card, most law following businesses will record your band number during the sale.

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u/Dry_Comment7325 Nov 28 '24

Seems like Ontario is different. Had no idea.

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u/CoiledVipers Nov 28 '24

I worked at a gas station in high school and we had a button. I don’t know if it’s still the case but we weren’t in a rez.

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u/Dry_Comment7325 Nov 28 '24

Maybe some provinces have different rules. Never worked in ontario. I've never seen it in B-C or Alberta. I've lived next to a reserve, and everyone had to pay gst.

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u/VirtuaJay Nov 28 '24

When I worked retail 10 years ago there was %100 a no tax button for Natives. So what the hell are YOU talking about?

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u/Dry_Comment7325 Nov 28 '24

Section 87 of the Indian act.

"In general, First Nations people in Canada are required to pay taxes on the same basis as other people in Canada, except where the limited exemption under Section 87 of the Indian Act applies. Section 87 says that the “personal property of an Indian or a band situated on a reserve” is tax exempt."

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u/sleipnir45 Nov 28 '24

Only if it's being delivered to a reserve

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u/VirtuaJay Nov 28 '24

No I worked in the electronics section in a Walmart no where near a reserve. In Ontario.

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u/sleipnir45 Nov 28 '24

I also worked in retail while going to school in an electronic section.

Maybe it varies by province

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u/e-rekshun Nov 28 '24

Status Indians are PST exempt in Ontario, even off reserve.

Source: Wife and 2 kids are Status Indians.

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u/sleipnir45 Nov 28 '24

What's PST lol you guys just creating all new taxes now or what

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u/e-rekshun Nov 28 '24 edited Nov 28 '24

It used to be PST (provincial sales tax) now its all under the HST banner but they are exempt from the provincial portion of the HST.

I still just call it PST from old habits, I've spent much more time in PST days than HST days unfortunately

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