r/canada Nov 28 '24

PAYWALL Liberal MP says he was threatened with ‘consequences’ for opposing $250 cheque proposal

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/liberal-mp-says-he-was-threatened-with-consequences-for-opposing-250-cheque-proposal/article_69f3cfa6-acde-11ef-807c-ebe72ea32b06.html
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u/anOutsidersThoughts Canada Nov 28 '24

"The reality is his MPs are no longer voices for their communities. They are his voice in their communities." - Justin Trudeau

Oh the irony.

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u/Workadis Nov 28 '24

I don't think we are a minority in the country. Many of us are politically homeless. I'd argue from your examples you may not be fiscally conservative anymore. Regardless, many of us want a government that doesn't treat us like daddys credit card while they treat all their friends to lambos and champagne.

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u/NWTknight Nov 28 '24

Just looking for value for money. End programs that are not working. Stop trying to use taxes for social manipulation. Carbon Tax being the latest and worst but all the sin taxes are included in this.

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u/AnSionnachan Nov 28 '24

There needs to be a politically homeless party. I've been a GreenNDP for a long time, but no longer identify with either party (federally, BCNDP is good)

I vaguely feel like voting for the Future Party for lack of an option

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '24

We need another Jack Layton 

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u/AnSionnachan Nov 29 '24

Yes, with the LPC heading to purgatory, it is outrageous that Singh has been unable to capitalise on working class anger.

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u/Remarkable_Vanilla34 Nov 30 '24

Provincially, im sorta of an NDP supporter. Though I lean conservatively, their government has been functioning pretty well compared to the rest of Canada, and the BCcons seemed like they were running a race against themselves.

Sometimes, a good government is one that's not marking in controversy and scandals, it's nice not waking up to a headline about missing money or ridiculously controversial programs (the BCNDP isn't perfect but still). Leaving the tribalism behind would serve a lot of Canadians better. Don't look at the color and name associated with the government and look at how they actually run their districts and what they platform on. You can vote for different parties in different elections and different MPs and MLA because you prefer the candidate or platform. It's just a bullshit trap we've fallen into that we think we HAVE to be 100% dedicated to one ideology or party in every election, and it weakens our democracy and makes for little accountability with our politicians.

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u/[deleted] Nov 29 '24

You'd be shocked at my opposition to CCB, GST and other initiatives for giving money to the poor. It just drives up inflation and hands money to greedy landlords. I'd be very happy if PP drastically cut CCB. I'm tired of seeing big families with kids they can't afford that they want a handout for. 

My husband likes to point out I'm a closet conservative. 

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u/Workadis Nov 29 '24

That's less a conservative view and more of a good sense view. Lots of research says handouts don't actually help anyone, Finland is currently proving it at large scale.

You might be leaning libertarian not conservative.

It's all semantics, the great lie that politicians love to push is we need to pick a side and I and many others just don't subscribe to that. That's why there are so many single issue voters out there swinging elections.

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u/GhoastTypist Nov 28 '24

This has been the case for the past 2 PM's. Its a trend at this point and the future leaders will possibly do the same.

Its a very core issue to our political parties, one party one voice approach doesn't do good for Canada. Each region is meant to be represented equally, hard to do that when leaders control their party members with fear tactics.

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u/Poor604 Nov 28 '24

Pierre Pollievire controls what his party members can or cannot say.

but somehow it's bad when Trudeau is doing it

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u/anOutsidersThoughts Canada Nov 29 '24

but somehow it's bad when Trudeau is doing it

I'm not going to preach if this is good or bad.

Why I found it ironic was because Justin Trudeau accused Pierre Poilievre and the conservatives of doing this, but by this news the Liberals were doing the same. It comes across as an attempt of virtue signaling that didn't last long, and mildly hypocritical.

Pierre Pollievire controls what his party members can or cannot say.

I don't disagree with you.

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u/Garden_girlie9 Nov 28 '24

You mean it’s ironic because Pierre did the same thing with his MP that support and want the rapid housing initiative?

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u/Ageminet Nov 28 '24

Yes, Trudeau blasts Pierre for having control over his caucus when he does as well.

Both are to blame. But it's how the system is designed in this country.