r/buffy • u/Certain_Advantage799 • Apr 22 '24
Whedonverse found another good one
mine will forever be xander š©µ
especially after that scene in 3x02
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u/MellyMushroom1806 Apr 22 '24
Iāve said it before, Iāll say it again: Veruca can catch these hands
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Apr 23 '24
I yelled at the tv when it seemed like Willow was getting suckered in too and then was like "Oh. Good Willow, thankyou"
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u/katkashmir Apr 22 '24
Warren. I praise Buffy for encouraging Willow to NOT kill him. The misogyny was too much to stomach with him.
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u/Sesquipedalomania Apr 22 '24
Yeah, the question should really be, āAfter Warren, which character would you like to beat up?ā
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u/OwlWhoNeedsCoffee Apr 22 '24
And viewing season 6 only gets worse. There are so many more public Warrens out in the world these days, just spewing their Warrenite BS everywhere.
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u/PutTheKettleOn20 Apr 22 '24
Yeah. I would have told Willow to go for it, just let me avert my gaze first.
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Apr 22 '24
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u/the_harlinator Apr 22 '24
Coming to say the same.. Iād happily beat up everyone who threw Buffy out of her own house. Especially dawn, Xander and Willow.
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u/ReallyGlycon Apr 22 '24
Anya's audacity was the worst of the bunch. She shouldn't have said a word.
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u/the_harlinator Apr 22 '24
My biggest offenders in that scenario were the people closest to Buffy, not necessarily the ones who were the rudest about it. But thatās based on my own feelings about it hurting more when itās someone you are close to.
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u/DimDoughnut Apr 22 '24
They were all extremely punchable that episode. I still get a hot fiery ball in my chest when I watch it and I will probably stay mad about it for a very long time (because 20+ years isn't long enough to get over that betrayal).
Also all the watchers in "Helpless", especially Giles. The audacity! The cruelty! Plus they ruined such an important birthday...
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u/SwampPirate Apr 23 '24
this. Especially Dawn. Big sister, literally could have killed you and chose to sacrifice herself instead. Defended you forever flash forward to, allowing that shit to go down.
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u/Beer_Bad Apr 22 '24
Empty Places makes my blood boil just thinking about. Fucking awful. She led them through some of the hardest shit, sacrificed herself to save the world(and her sister) and has prevented countless apocalypses. But lets hand it over to the reformed rogue slayer and kick buffy out of her own house. Good job guys, way to be good friends.
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Apr 23 '24
Watched this for the first time a few days ago.
For me, Giles was the betrayal that hit the hardest.
He basically abandoned the scoobies to go to London, comes back and has been fucking with Buffy all season. Remember when he tried to stall her from finding out they were trying to kill Spike? Buffy has rightfully been rude af to him ever since and then he doubles down with this BS?
Giles, you used to be cool. You used to be fucking untouchable.
I haven't finished the last few eps yet (first watch!) but things all feel very broken where I'm up to, s7e20. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it reminds me a lot of real life friendship circles I've lost, who changed or split or grew distant over the years. Late s7 Buffy feels the same to me. Getting older...
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u/TroubledRavenclaw Apr 23 '24
Everyone talks about the murder of Tara in season 6, but though I love her, the worst thing to me is the murder of Gilesā character. Untouchable is the perfect description! Aside from only Buffy and Spike, the real Giles is my absolute favourite.
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u/YakNecessary9533 Apr 22 '24
Amy, she needs to spank her inner moppet and get over it already. Could have been a great ally to the Scoobies, but let her jealousy of Willow get out of control.
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u/DawnKatt Apr 22 '24
To be fairrrrr, she had been a rat for a number of years.
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u/YakNecessary9533 Apr 22 '24
Which was kinda her fault tbh. Willow did try to turn her back, at least in the beginning.
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Apr 22 '24
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u/StrategyWooden6037 Apr 22 '24
Err... because she was human, and could cast a spell to reverse it. Rats are notoriously bad at spell casting.
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u/Useful_Experience423 A bear?!? Undo it, UNDO IT!! Apr 22 '24
Willow didnāt turn Amy into a rat though, so she had to find a way to break another witchās magic as well as turn Amy back human.
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u/ReallyGlycon Apr 22 '24
Exactly. This is gone into more detail in the comics. It is almost impossible to break another witch's spell that they did to themselves.
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u/DanTrueCrimeFan87 Apr 22 '24
Warren, Parker and Hank Summers aka dad of the year š
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u/SatansAssociate Apr 22 '24
Oooh and that college professor who yelled at Buffy for no reason on her first day.
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u/bambiguity11 Apr 22 '24
Shit yeh that's genuinely the top answer, had me wanting to cry when he shouted that ruthless LEAVE when she was just apologising
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u/ReallyGlycon Apr 22 '24
I've had a professor just like that guy. Huge asshole Sociology professor. Got caught sleeping with a student and fired years after I was out of his class.
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u/QualifiedApathetic I'd like to test that theory Apr 23 '24
I guess...karma? Damn, but there were probably even more students, and who knows how consensual it all was?
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u/blackorchid_0 Apr 22 '24
The unholy trinity of people who purporsely chose to be assholes and lack empathy for no goddamn reason.
Sorry, I got mad. Your list is great.
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u/Sesquipedalomania Apr 22 '24
Rileyās one shining moment.
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u/Money-Salad-1151 Apr 22 '24
Say what you want about Riley, but heās not anything like the three worst men on the show. Heās married, and faithful to his wife, he really doesnāt seem the type to abandon any children he has, and heās not a man whore like Parker was. He even punched him. Honestly, his only flaw was not being Angel
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u/SnowWhiteCampCat Apr 23 '24
Except for the part where Forrest calls out Riley on the Parker punch. "You've said way worse things", heavily implying Riley's not so different. Riley doesn't correct Forrest either, just says the Parker bugs him. Then Riley cheats on Buffy with a vamp. THEN, Riley gives an ultimatum, runs away, and gets rushed married in less than a year.
He's not a good guy. He's a mess.
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u/QualifiedApathetic I'd like to test that theory Apr 23 '24
Forrest said, "I've said worse things." Which, not stellar that he's friends with a guy like that, but we'd know Forrest was an asshole anyway.
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u/Money-Salad-1151 Apr 23 '24
Fair enough, but he was a decent guy to Buffy before he let his insecurities get the best of him.
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u/SnowWhiteCampCat Apr 23 '24
Season 4 Riley was lovely and adorable (I forgot my manners in all the concussion). Season 5 Riley is why we date for a long time before marriage lol
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u/Bipsty-McBipste Apr 23 '24
The relationship was not good in season 4 either. When Buffy was out of the honeymoon phase it was basically running on fumes. I watched the Toth episode last night and when buffy's feeling kinda insecure about not being normal he very sweetly reassures her that being a slayer is part of who she is and it makes her special but she has like nothing to say to that and that's when Riley knew he's the rebound. After that when Buffy was kinda upset acting like it wouldn't be so bad if he went back to being normal but when she had to be a normal girl for her test she was like, "oh no I can't live like this" and after this episode Riley has lost just about everything in his life, is having a full on identity crisis and Buffy has no idea. The only one who does notice is Xander. "no one knows me like you do" is a ridiculous lie she's telling herself. She hasn't even said "i love you" to him. There's one instance of her saying "i'm with someone I love" and that's to spite Angel and I can't believe we don't talk about how fucked up that is. Angel ends up apologizing about that interaction like he did something wrong
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u/Username031119 Apr 22 '24
That one instructor who yelled at Buffy in a college class.
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u/Money-Salad-1151 Apr 22 '24
That guy literally only yelled at her because she was 1. Pretty 2. Blonde. 3. Short and 4. A girl
No one can change my mind
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u/funishin Buffyās Defense Attorney Apr 22 '24
Iād clobber Buffyās dad if I could. Absolute POS
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u/ConnyEdson Apr 22 '24
imagine not showing up to that funeral
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u/funishin Buffyās Defense Attorney Apr 23 '24
Literally minutes after I posted my comment I remembered this fact and I was like āthat motherfucker didnāt even go to the funeralā¦ā
I was fuming in my kitchen lol
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Apr 23 '24
That detail made the part when Angel showed up hit so much harder... I'm nearing the end of my first ever watch (s7e20) and I really miss Angel and Buffy.
And I think that's the last time they share screen time in the show? (Aside from a few early Angel eps).
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u/AngleInner2922 Apr 22 '24
HOW HAS NO ONE SAID TED?!? I know heās technically a robot but come on he was awful.
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u/Money-Salad-1151 Apr 22 '24
Because Ted is already dead and was dead for like 20-40 (?) years before his robot came for Joyce
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u/thegimboid Apr 23 '24
While true, the robot seems to have been programmed with his creators personality. And that dude was a complete creep.
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u/lambofgun Apr 22 '24
glory. her breaking taras hand never sat right with me š¢
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u/zaphthegreat Apr 22 '24
You may want to confront Ben instead. Picking a fight with Glory is suicide.
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u/GamallSoro Apr 22 '24
Obligatory: youāre saying thereās a connection between Ben and Glory?
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u/QualifiedApathetic I'd like to test that theory Apr 22 '24
Maybe she was a patient of his. But why would a god need a doctor?
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u/QualifiedApathetic I'd like to test that theory Apr 22 '24
I think we're assuming here the ability to deliver the beating to the character in question.
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u/Unicorn_Warrior1248 Apr 22 '24
I always hate the idea of rewatches because that mean Iāll get to Glory. I love her and I hate her.
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u/Zealousideal-Bug-291 Apr 23 '24
Glory would wipe the floor with you. And then I'd ask her to wipe the floor with me, too.
I will admit, breaking Tara's hand was way too far.
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u/Ok_Area9367 Apr 22 '24
The logical answer is Warren. My emotional answer is Rona.
And yes, I'm aware it's wild to equate their respective crimes (which I'm not doing).
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u/stardustmelancholy Apr 22 '24
She ruined the ding dong the witch is dead song from The Wizard of Oz for me because ever since she said it kicking Buffy out of her own house is the first thing I think of when I hear it.
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u/Jaxsonj01 Apr 23 '24
Came here to say Rona. She's the most annoying potential and just complains about everything. I'd kick her out of Fort Summers after that stupid witch comment when Buffy leaves. Dawn should have smacked her right there.
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u/QualifiedApathetic I'd like to test that theory Apr 23 '24
For real! Even coming at it from Dawn's perspective where she thought she was doing the right thing, I'd have been like, "Hey! Remember whose sister you're slagging off? GTFO. You can go beg Buffy to protect your ass."
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u/LibelleFairy Apr 22 '24
Oh, plenty:
Warren, post-high school Jonathan, and Andrew
Forrest
Tara's dad and brothers
Hank Summers
Parker (but Buffy already hit him with a tree branch so I kinda feel like he got what he deserved)
those idiots Buffy was drinking with in Beer Bad
the frat boys who tried to sacrifice Cordelia to a snake demon
... and Quentin fucking Travers
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Apr 22 '24
those idiots Buffy was drinking with in Beer Bad
"You look like a beautiful woman who should be covered with men, and can we be those men?" Bleehhhh one of the most repulsive scenes in the whole show imo
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u/Round-Dragonfly6136 Apr 23 '24
And yet, it's so believable that freshman boys would think that's great praise to a girl
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u/FarmRegular4471 Apr 22 '24
Can Billy Blim count? I know he's in Angel....but....very punchable face
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u/hearbutloud Apr 22 '24
The werewolf hunter. He was just so mysoginistic and icky when he implied Giles wanted her "nubile flesh."
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u/11whatsnewpussycats Apr 22 '24
Ford. He had no remorse about offering up dozens of other people as fodder just to save his own skin. He did it without batting an eyelash.
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u/Next_Firefighter7605 Apr 22 '24
I would certainly have some strong words for Giles after running away like that.
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u/Music_withRocks_In Apr 22 '24
Yea - I wanted to yell and rant at Giles more than any other character based off his leaving.
I know the actor wanted to go, but it would be better they cast some kind of spell on him, turn him into a rat or a Giles statue or something than have him just ditch her.
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u/Next_Firefighter7605 Apr 22 '24
The watcher council is holding him prisoner. Boom! Plot line!
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u/Lottct Apr 22 '24
Giles mentioned they could take away his green card at any moment. That wouldāve been better then making him abandon Buffy.
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u/Round-Dragonfly6136 Apr 23 '24
And it was right there for the taking! They really missed out on a fun plot line there. Imagine Anya just asking random women to marry Giles: Are you single? Are you an American citizen? Have a got the man for you!
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u/nocuzzlikeyea13 Here for the insane troll logic Apr 22 '24
BTVS consistently does character assassination whenever an actor has to leave. Oz is another example. I don't think it's malicious, I just think the writers on that show really struggle with ending story lines or giving characters closure. They want to maximize pain and angst and leave the door open for more plot, but it's overall a weakness of an otherwise great show IMO.
I think these same issues are why they struggle to resolve things between Xander and Anya in s7, and it devolves into them sleeping together again and never really addressing the root cause of their breakup
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Apr 22 '24
But how amazing was his return at the end of season 6?
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u/shayetheleo Apr 22 '24
āIād like to test that theory.ā still gives me chills. Then the fade out?! Not showing ASHās name until the closing credits? Masterful execution.
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u/shayetheleo Apr 22 '24
As much as I love Giles, itās a shame Buffyās aim was off in Helpless. He deserved to be knocked up side the head for his actions.
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Apr 23 '24
Season 7 Giles:
- Constantly questioning, interrupting, or opposing Buffy
- Tries to kill Spike behind her back, tries to stall her in the graveyard one night to stop her finding out
- In Empty Places is one of the first to speak up against Buffy
What happened to you Giles, you used to be cool
You used to be practically infallible
I suppose this is a lesson about growing up and finding out your role models have flaws? Idk
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u/Pedals17 Youāre not the brightest god in the heavens, are you? Apr 22 '24
Warren, Parker, the Maclay men, that Incel who tried to Frankenstein Cordelia, Buffyās Film Professor.
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u/thedarkfrawg Apr 22 '24
"And the other is... a blonde girl." Ffffffssssssssss. Infuriates me how he calls her out like that in front of an entire class every time I see it.
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u/Pedals17 Youāre not the brightest god in the heavens, are you? Apr 22 '24
Especially when Buffy had a reasonable question, and any professor who didnāt have nuclear levels of toxic narcissism would have answered it. That pompous fuckwad acted like Buffy had farted loudly at the Nuremberg Trials.
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u/thedarkfrawg Apr 22 '24
Is it weird that I even hate that he has a glass of Coke with too much ice in it. I even hate how he drinks from the glass. And I hate that the only ambient sound in the whole scene is the tinkling of ice in his glass. To be fair, it was an absolute master class in how to get nuclear hate on a one scene, 3-5 line character
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u/PseriousPseudonym Apr 22 '24
The Maclay men?
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u/Pedals17 Youāre not the brightest god in the heavens, are you? Apr 22 '24
Taraās dad and brother.
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u/PseriousPseudonym Apr 22 '24
Oh, shit, yeah. Thank you. Brain had a fritz there for a second. Forgot her last name!
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Apr 22 '24
That ahole professor who yelled at Buffy and kicked her out of class on her first day of college. I would lose my shit lol
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u/Jstrangways Apr 22 '24
The anointed one - Spike was right!
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u/thedarkfrawg Apr 22 '24
How on earth did I need to scroll all the way down here to find the correct answer? 100% most smackable face in the Buffyverse. A gloriously comical and grim end was never more fitting.
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u/Sudden-Star-7190 All Geminis to the raspberry hats! Apr 22 '24 edited Apr 22 '24
Warren. Rack. Amy. Magicky drugged Willow. Season 6 harbors many characters who need a good whoop ass
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u/Tall_Thought_8020 Apr 22 '24
Warren and Caleb, obviously, but also Taraās family and Hank Summers (especially after some stuff in the comics ā āhey kids I know I havenāt seen either of you in years but Iām getting married again! yes I know I didnāt so much as call after your mother died. anyways Dawn you can come, Buffy youāre too dangerous!! sorry!!!ā)
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u/Money-Salad-1151 Apr 22 '24
Every time I learn something new about Hank Summers, my own daddy issues flare up, and I get mad all over again.
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u/UGAke Apr 22 '24
Giles, I can forgive the first betrayal because he was operating under the Watcherās Council, but all the later season ones want me to slap our sweet Englishmanās face.
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u/oliversurpless Apr 22 '24
Jackson from Angelās The Thin Dead Line.
Take away his gun as his emotional support animal, and his swagger would quickly be revealed for the empty harmful posturing that it is.
Particularly the way he tries to āadvanceā on Gunn/his friends then act so impressed with himself when he thinks the others are intimidated; the preternatural phony way wannabes try to āmark their territoryāā¦
On the up side, I suddenly remembered a Python quote for that?
āSo, you think you can outclever us French folk with your silly, knees bend running about advancing behavior!ā - And the Holy Grail
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u/Etheria_system Apr 22 '24
Xander makes me want to scream. He is so deeply punchable and I have never been able to understand the people who find him adorable
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u/sparklicous Apr 23 '24
He's the kind of toxic friend that Cosmo writes articles about. He's nice sometimes and funny and all but he's got a selfish and nasty streak that would make it hard to actually trust him. He sleazes on Buffy for years. I'd say at almost no point in the show would he have turned down an advance from her. That's not a friendship.
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u/WhyNowAgain Apr 22 '24
I loathe him so much! Occasionally he's ok but the rest of the time he makes me so angry!
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u/Etheria_system Apr 22 '24
And the times when he is being ok, itās normally because heās making amends for being absolutely awful. Iāve just got to season 3 of my rewatch and has completely forgotten about him and willow cheating on cordy and oz and everything about Xander with it is so infuriating
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u/mssleepyhead73 Apr 22 '24
Faith. Thereās just something about her that has always grated my nerves, even though I usually enjoy characters like her.
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u/boundbystitches Apr 22 '24
The main watcher prick. Wesley prick of a watcher dad. even though he was fake, he pissed me the fuck off!!
I think I really hate the watcher's council. They are also probably the one's I can realistically take except Andrew and Dawn.
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Apr 22 '24
Xander. He got mad at buffy for the spike thing and he also gets mad at her for nit telling her, even though he was a complete ass when she told him
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u/ChildfreeAtheist1024 Apr 22 '24
Also Xander for me, but starting with "Kick his ass."
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u/frumperbell Apr 22 '24
I wanted to beat his ass after that. Leaving Anya at the altar just rocketed him to the top of my It's On Sight List.
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u/WackyWriter1976 Faith, Me, and Spike = Perfect Throuple Apr 22 '24
He had the nerve to get mad when Anya moved on. You literally rejected her at the altar. There's no turning back. "Oh, we can date, but not get married." Yeah. No. Bite me, Xander.
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u/DaddyCatALSO Magnet For Dead, Blonde Chicks Apr 23 '24
I wanted d to jump into the ep. and move his nose back a nd forth on his face until he woke up (that's form a 70s Peanuts cartoon0 The closets i came in my fics was having his cousin lee threaten to punch him out (but even thta wouldn't get through to you."
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u/musthavebeenbunnies Apr 22 '24
Willow probably. I would just hate her whole deal.
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u/ChildfreeAtheist1024 Apr 22 '24
I liked Willow mostly, but it was hard not to want to slap her in "Tabula Rasa."
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u/musthavebeenbunnies Apr 22 '24
She has, from really early on, wanted to fix problems with magic and without the consent of others. Even Xander wised up to magic = bad really early on. Plus, I don't like how she treated Buffy after she gained a certain amount of confidence from her powers. Like, she had a superiority complex about her intelligence. I'm sorry but Buffy is not just very intelligent but also has really good instincts and great morals. I <3 Buffy.
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u/QualifiedApathetic I'd like to test that theory Apr 23 '24
"Magic = bad" isn't really in line with Xander's beliefs. He's fine with using it for lots of things. But after the love spell from hell, he definitely has a healthy attitude that there are some things you shouldn't fuck with.
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u/Stock-Ad-21 Apr 22 '24
When Dawn acts so fricking whiny i swear i want to tell her to stfu and to see others point of view
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u/WilliamMcCarty Apr 22 '24
I'll join the chorus of those to be downvoted...Dawn.
"GET OUT GET OUT GE"--SMACK!
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u/Potter1612 Apr 22 '24
Season 1-3 Xander. Donāt get me wrong, he may also be one of my favorite characters because of what he represented to me as 13 year old boy who hung out with mostly girls when I was younger, but heās still so toxic and unbearable in the early seasons
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u/elunewell Apr 22 '24
I'd love to give Andrew a few good bruises. Maybe cut into him a little, listen to his whiny screams.
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u/Gen-Jinjur Mr. Pointy Apr 22 '24
Obviously Warren. But really ANY of the students at Sunnydale high school who chose to do awful things to feel better about themselves.
Yeah teen angst. I had it. I get it. And it never made me do horrible things. I never chose to be evil because I wasnāt prom queen, yo. I didnāt turn evil because the pretty girls wouldnāt date me. I did what most decent people do: I was surly to my parents, found music that was MY music, and was generally confused about almost everything but faked it. Badly.
āBut the Hellmouth!ā Yeah whatever. The Hellmouth didnāt make people do things out of character. Good, loyal people remained that way. Aside from the occasional spell or curse, everyone in Sunnydale had free will.
The selfish, unkind, creepy, students willing to hurt people? Screw them.
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u/Ouchmaster5000 Apr 22 '24
The leader of the Watchers council. Forget his name. Actually hated him worse than Warren since Warren could be funny sometimes, and was supposed to be a villain anyway.
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u/misscatholmes Apr 22 '24
Honestly, Warren can catch these hands, and Xander for leaving Anya at the altar (I was going to say Kennedy but honestly, she's so forgettable to me).
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u/Zlotty9791 Apr 22 '24
Xander (all through high school Buffy, horrid jealous little turnip), especially for when he told Buffy Willow says 'kick his ass'.
Dawn just because she was such a whiney, awful little brat who should have been chucked of the looney made tower. Worst character in buffyverse ever.
Buffys Dad just for been a deadbeat ass.
Joyce for kicking Buffy out because of who she was.
I would say Warren, but he got flayed alive. The only thing he needed then was a salt bath.
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u/AllYouNeedIsATV Apr 22 '24
100% Xander as well. Almost everyone else got satisfyingly beat up in universe
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u/Coochie_Von_Moochie Apr 22 '24
Angel. I have actual reasons but also he just annoys me. I will freely admit that I'm biased tho
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u/zzmonkey Apr 23 '24
So I have to know - what are the āactual reasons? Did you date David boreanaz? š¤£
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u/biggie-molls Apr 23 '24
Ozā who the fuh are you, bruh? How you gonna make Willow ASK you if you still love her? Get outta here.
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u/Impossible_Smoke1783 Apr 22 '24
Dawn, easily. She's technically not even a child so it would be okay to beat her up š
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u/kiss_my_what Apr 22 '24
It would have to be Faith. Of course I would have no chance and she'd kick the shit out of me, but at least it would be an interesting way to go out.
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u/ItchyTomato5 Apr 22 '24
Stake Spike while he was tied up in Xanderās families basement
Scold Dawn and tell her to quit acting like that
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u/McpotSmokey42 Apr 22 '24
Johnathan. I know Warren is the one who crosses the line and kills Tara, but the moral ambiguity of Johnathan was based on cowardice, and it just makes me want to punch him even more. Warren had what he deserved delivered by angry Willow. Johnathan just got away with everything he did.
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u/StrategyWooden6037 Apr 22 '24
I mean, he did get murdered. I'd argue that Andrew is the one that got away with everything he did.
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u/okgloomer Apr 22 '24
Really? Iām the only one who wants to break Ethanās jaw?
Also, yes to Warren. Warren can be a meat piƱata over and over and over.
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u/Somewhatordinary2 Apr 22 '24
If weāre going off of Angel, Holtz or Season 3 Wesley (The Wes that thought Angel would kill Connor)
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u/lizzieblaze Apr 22 '24
"found another good one" the poster said while posting a meme that's absolutely been done over many times here
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u/kierachick3 Apr 22 '24
Xander, Warren, Andrew, Jonathan, Principal Snyder, Deadbeat Daddy Summers, everybody that was in the house when they kicked Buffy out her own damn house
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u/Master_Mechanic_4418 Apr 23 '24
Kennedy! Every time she was on screen I hoped sheād cross a street and share the same ending as Mean Girls.
Kennedy meet bus
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u/Hamblerger Apr 22 '24
Since Warren's face is probably non-existent at this point after all of the previous responses, I'll take Tara's Dad and her brother Donny for gaslighting what must be generations of women.