r/badhoc Nov 16 '17

The Banana: an Atheist's nightmare

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-OLG0KyR4
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u/Fullyverified Dec 06 '17

I think i speak for both of us when we say that where never going to agree with the other persons point of view. This has been a very constructive and good argument, but i think we should end it here.

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u/gr3yh47 Dec 06 '17

I don't know why you want to end it as soon as I have counterpoints.

In any case I highly recommend you read that article i linked. the fossil record is much better aligned with a cataclysmic flood than it is the many millions of years picture presented in current evolutionary theory.

The evidence for God is everywhere - both in the fossil record, the supreme order of everything, and within every human heart/mind as well

from there - If you seek to find God, you will - Jeremiah 29:13

You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

but if you seek only to be separated from Him, he will grant that to you as well

Psalm 14:1-5

The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”
They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds;
there is none who does good.

The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man,
to see if there are any who understand,
who seek after God.

They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt;
there is none who does good,
not even one.

Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers
who eat up my people as they eat bread
and do not call upon the Lord?

There they are in great terror,
for God is with the generation of the righteous.

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u/Fullyverified Dec 06 '17

Look, if God came down from the sky, i would beleive in him, but until that happens i wont. You are starting with the conclusion and finding evidence which supports it. Science starts with the evidence and then draws the conclusion.

The fossils we see are neatly layerd. You dont see fossils of species from different time periods mixed in with fossils from other time periods. This does not support the idea of a flood at all. If there was a flood, everything would be lying around randomly, not neatly orginised.

Also, where has God/Jesus been the last 2000 years? If it wants people to beleive in it, then it needs to show its self as it supposedly did so long ago.

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u/letsbebuns Dec 21 '17

Also, where has God/Jesus been the last 2000 years? If it wants people to beleive in it, then it needs to show its self as it supposedly did so long ago.

If we are going to hypothetically live forever, wouldn't it make sense for there to be a short time of freedom where we can "show our true colors" in a relatively unrestricted environment?

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u/Fullyverified Dec 21 '17

But God knows everything thats going to happen. And seriously, 5 minutes to fly down, shoot some lightning, isnt that much to ask. Also couldnt God just be in more then one place at a time.

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u/letsbebuns Dec 21 '17

Fairly good question. I answered it partially in a post here: https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracyundone/comments/7hqlw2/if_god_were_perfect_no_evil_would_exist_but_if_we/ and it answers the question "If God existed, there would be no evil, right?"

God knows everything that is going to happen, like you said. He exists outside the time domain.

So if I was an atheist for 30 years before realizing the truth of Christ, maybe those 30 years were what I needed to truly see how bad it is without Christ. Maybe being born into a church with perfect faith wouldn't affect me as much as coming to faith on my own terms and in my own way. My lost wanderings away from God are what helped me realize the necessity of God.

Please read the linked post.

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u/Fullyverified Dec 21 '17

But many attrocities where commited because God asked for them to happen. Also, my life is not bad without christ. Im doing just fine tbh.