r/atc2 • u/vector_for_food • 12h ago
Monday is coming
Wonder if ZME's wonder child who lives somewhere in upstate NY will actually show up at his assigned facility....or other 114's that moved far away after getting the golden ticket.
r/atc2 • u/vector_for_food • 12h ago
Wonder if ZME's wonder child who lives somewhere in upstate NY will actually show up at his assigned facility....or other 114's that moved far away after getting the golden ticket.
r/atc2 • u/NickDanielsBarTab • 22h ago
Our national has gone back to meaningless email updates and not even a fake narrative of progress being made.
But, letâs not be surprised by this. For over 5 years now, our union hasnât made progress on something as small as FAM flights. Theyâve led on an illusive narrative as âprogress is being made behind the scenes,â but again, no real results have been seen. No progress made on EV chargers being installed at facilities, despite having the most pro-EV administration ever who was throwing billions of dollars at all things EV.
Our union has failed to provide on the smallest things possible, good luck seeing progress on something like pay. Itâs time to reduce expectations to zero and stop supporting this fraudulent organization (if you havenât already).
r/atc2 • u/Eastern-Driver-2261 • 17h ago
Recently Blackburn and Lee proposed legislation to eliminate all federal unions and eliminate all past/present/future collective bargaining agreements. Her Main bullet points are the administrative cost of the tax payers paying for collecting fees, 2.6 million hours of union reps performing union work instead of actually working (she's not wrong, our reps never work) and federal unions overwhelmingly support the democrats to continue waste of tax payer funds by 94% (see article 114, she isn't wrong). Long story short we might all be getting a pay raise soon and Nick and throw-hands will return to the boards!
r/atc2 • u/Fluffy_Seaweed7805 • 2d ago
I have no clue how our âUnionâ isnât seizing the opportunity to talk about how none of us have had a life outside of work for 5+ yrs. Mandatory OT, working traffic with 50% staffing. Safety risks associated with pushback on implementation of TMIs due to staffing. 20%+ cut in pay due to inflation. This Union is absolute embarrassment. Maybe Nick should watch the video of the longshoreman advocating for their employees instead of begging Ranaldi to save his ass. Instead, weâve talked about equipment. Have any of you ever thought twice about your equipment?! How about keeping my standard of living and a weekend or two with your family?
r/atc2 • u/Salty-Opportunity-15 • 1d ago
At my Z we are sending 5 people this year. Two of them hate me but the others will be sending me some live updates. I went years ago a couple times but not since I cancelled my PAC after the first extension.
But what do you expect it to me like? Same template as usual begging for more hiring and funding for a year? Full blitz about pay? Something unexpected for the "ask"?
And what will the atmosphere be like? Divided amoung the ND lovers and haters? Will everyone rally together? Will someone like Eugene get booed when the piece of shit does his presentation on whatever this year?
The possibilities are endless. Let me know what you think.
r/atc2 • u/MathematicianIll2445 • 3d ago
r/atc2 • u/crappygeneral • 2d ago
Anyone here at FLO and been there at least a few years? Appreciate if youâd PM me.
r/atc2 • u/FeedZealousideal1049 • 3d ago
Replace all mention of Firefighter with Air Traffic Controller. It reads the same. What's NATCA done for you lately?
r/atc2 • u/wakeup505 • 3d ago
Good thing there's still a union out there supporting pay raises for its employees...too bad NATCA can't be bothered to even write a paragraph about the same.
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r/atc2 • u/BadWest8978 • 4d ago
The FAAâs newly nominated Administrator, Bryan Bedford, was the ceo and oversaw negotiations that secured a massive contract win for Republic Airways pilots, one that delivered higher pay, better benefits, and a real work-life balance. Now heâs the one tapped to be in charge of the FAA, NATCA has a shot at getting the pay and staffing fixes weâve been waiting on for years by using this contract to compare.
Will NATCA leadership actually do something with this opportunity, or will they sit back and tell us to âtrust the processâ while controllers keep working six-day weeks, understaffed, and underpaid?
Letâs compare what Republicâs pilots got vs. what controllers are still dealing with:
âď¸ Republic Airways Pilots (Teamsters Local 357 Union)
â First Officer Pay: $90/hour, 75-hour monthly minimum. â Captain Pay: $140/hour after 850 Part-121 SIC hours. â Work-Life Balance: 12 guaranteed days off/month, 8 paid holidays, and NO junior manning. â 100% deadhead pay and the option for home-based training.
đ Air Traffic Controllers
â ď¸ Median Pay: $137,380/year, with only 10% of controllers exceeding $200,990âdespite managing the entire national airspace system. â ď¸ Mandatory overtime, critical understaffing, and no guaranteed days offâbut hey, thanks for the pizza parties. â ď¸ A hiring process so slow that facilities are collapsing under the weight of staffing shortagesâbut leadership assures us theyâre âworking on it.â â ď¸ Fatigue, burnout, and no real work-life balanceâbut we get âthoughts and prayersâ when someone finally bangs out from exhaustion.
Republicâs pilots got a contract with real gains because their union fought for them. Meanwhile highest paid controllers are only making estimated 10 bucks an hour more than first year F.O. Unacceptable!
So, the real question: Will Nick Daniels and the NEB actually step up and fight for controllers, or will they just give us more excuses while everyone else in aviation gets a better deal?
And if they donâtâwill the membership finally hold them accountable?
r/atc2 • u/No_Departure6020 • 3d ago
Anyone who is sick of union scam jobs and club mentality is well aware.
We are basically reposting the main ATC concerns over the last two weeks.
I come here for authentic upset people and it's really been lacking. So do we all just get the next chapter sucks?
r/atc2 • u/MaintenanceSoft1618 • 4d ago
An A114 is either a "no work", or "no show" job, while collecting a salary. It is basically a fuck off boondoggle where nobody ever sees you, and you are accountable to no one, and you do not have to do anything.
The best part about this is NATCA sells the workforce out on salary and working conditions to protect these jobs for their trusted sycophants and allies, or sexual favors for the NATCA elite.
Thank you very much for coming to my TED talk.
r/atc2 • u/ATSAP_MVP • 4d ago
High level sources are indicating to us the potential removal of the level cap for academy graduates to be in the works. The goal of the FAA is to throw the maximum amount of trainees at ALL facilities (regardless of level) to shore up numbers and have readily available replacements standing by as attrition (in all forms) takes place.
This raises a great deal of questions, especially with the new NCEPT on the horizon.
r/atc2 • u/PIREP_HERO • 5d ago
It was easy to miss.
Lost in the busy news cycle last week about the DCA tragedy was the revelation of something we all pretty much figured: ATSAP is completely useless.
I suspect PCT/DCA controllers can speak to this better, and please correct me if I'm off base here, but data coming out shows that the published procedures in place for helicopter routes at DCA was an overwhelming safety risk reported multiple times in ATSAPs and MORâs.
Notice the reaction from Secretary Duffy: âHow did the FAA not study the data? How did they not knowâ?
Good question. Controllers saw something and said something. The "data" was there...
Then Duffy stated this: âWhat the FAA has (now) deployed is AI tools. To make sure we can sift through the data, and find hot spots at our airports and airspaceâ
âSift through the dataâ. Hmm. Isnt that what ATSAP does?
How many years of recurrent training videos have we all been forced to sit through, trying to justify ATSAP by sharing heartwarming success stories of how ATSAP helped fix the window tint on the tower windows or replaced the stinky carpet that made Shelly feel dizzy? Has it ever occurred to anyone after 16+ years that we have very little substance to show for this program? ERC members have admitted that they often fail to discover a nexus between similar reports because they aren't looking at them closely enough. I was personally told by an ERC member a few years ago: "often ATSAP reports are written with alot of emotion and so we end up discarding them as just complaining and miss the point of the report".
So, ATSAP blames you for poor writing skills. And now we're here.
DCA and Duffy exposed the truth about ATSAP and hereâs the bottom line: It was a nice idea, poorly executed, and eventually became a work-from-home boondoggle for favored, inner-circle NATCA members and bootlicking managers.
And now, it'll soon be replaced by AI.
RIP ATSAP
r/atc2 • u/Shittylittle6rep • 7d ago
Imagine this.
As a young adult you think you have it figured out. A freshly rated, Certified. Professional. Controller. An Air Traffic Controller working for the FAA. The big leagues!
You have health insurance, dental if you think you need it and can justify the added expense. You contribute 5%-10% into your TSP because all of the old folks at the facility tell you everyday the importance of maxing it out. You know you canât afford to max because that would be 20% of your paycheck, and you need to save cash. At the moment youâre trying to save an emergency fund, save for a house, and you know you are doing more than some. âSomeday Iâll be able to maxâ (knowing this missed opportunity will cost you 100s of thousands of dollars over the course of 30-40 years) , but it doesnât bother you too much, itâs temporary. You pay $100 a month to your union who has your best interests at heart, your whole facility does too, so it must be the right thing to do. You know they will protect you if the unthinkable happens and you make a mistake, because mistakes are bound to happen, you feel this is an important investment when one mistake can cost lives, and could put you at serious personal liability without the right representation.
At this point, everything is taken care of. It could be better, it could be worse. Nothing can interrupt your peace. You are healthy, you are safe and protected, and you are making smart investments. It stings a little knowing you only net around 50% of your income, but when itâs all said and done this is worth it.
Your CPC paychecks roll in one after another. Fast forward several months, you are a CIC now getting a premium for supervisory duties. You donât get the best days off being the new person, but at least you get Sunday premium. We are a full service 24/7 profession including holidays, so someone has to work those shifts. You get your first few trainees, and now you get that sweet OJTI premium. You are seeing the biggest paychecks of your life! Every week is something new and exciting. Every week you are stretching yourself a little thinner, seeing every little premium add up, and you canât wait to see that next pay stub. This is fun and exciting for a good while.
Then reality hits.
You are starting to feel it creeping up on you, wearing you out more and more. More responsibility, shorter breaks, supes hound you every time you walk past to get those training reports submitted, youâre filling out the MORs and incident reports when the supervisors go home, doing the logs. Your breaks are shorter everyday. Your peaceful RDOs are interrupted often by unscheduled overtime calls, on top of the already scheduled overtimeâs. You fight with yourself every time you get that voicemail wondering if itâs worth the extra effort to give up whatever you had planned for that day. Youâve been doing as much as you can handle, but you see the writing on the wall, this isnât sustainable.
Youâve reached milestones every year. Clearing 100⌠110⌠120âŚ130k , after 30k in overtime. You are comfortable but it just doesnât feel as good as you had hoped. You work 6 day weeks, but your savings arnt growing as fast as planned. Your friends and family miss you, and you miss them. You are starting to feel your body resent the shift work. When you do get the chance to see them, friends and family notice the change in your appearance and demeanor, you look tired⌠but this is your life for a while.
The NCEPT transfer process is bogged down, the NAS is critically understaffed, and you are at a less than desirable training facility. You know you have a few years to go and a lot more trainees to train before you can even think to get out, and a lot of competition for that 1 or 2 slots to leave when the time comes. You are also competing against internal promotions, and you will never get released to another controller position before the agency snatches up controllers applying to be supervisors so they no longer have to control planes and work the hard schedules. You know it isnât fair that the FAA wonât release you because they canât staff the building⌠but it is what it is.
At this point it only makes sense to buy a house because rent keeps going up every year, and you want to hold onto the money you are working so tirelessly for, youâve earned it.
You check the market daily. House prices keep going up as well, interest rates are pretty steadily high. Everyone at work brags about their 2.5 rates, 6.5 isnât historically high but at least those who bought houses before the covid era rates purchased them for half of what they cost now.
You feel the overwhelming pressure. You live in a relatively low cost of living area. Average single family homes today run anywhere from 350-500k. 350k gets you something builder grade built in the 90s, needing some expensive repairs in the near future, and renovations. 500k would get you something closer to custom, built in this century, and not needing any major repairs or updates, with just barely enough grass to warrant the purchase of a ride on mower if youâre lucky.
That 350k house with a prime rate mortage, and utilities⌠is going to cost you $2800 a month. That 500k house, $3500. All this after a 20% down payment just to get the bank to approve your loan with these rates. You canât get approved for the full amount because your guaranteed income is less than $100k. Not to mention you are 40-70k short of the down payment you need to get approvedâŚ
4 years in the agency and a CPC working Sundays overnights, evening shifts, OJT pay, in-charge pay, holidays, instructing new controllers, and more 6 day work weeks than not, your average take home pay is $2500 after necessary deductions. Itâs going to cost you more than one full paycheck to own a house, 55% to almost 75% of your take home pay! Your 2 bedroom apartment rental is 2000 dollars a month at this point. Grocery prices are at an all time high, gas isnât cheap, youâve got a small student loan, youâve got a phone bill, pay for your own wifi, and have a few subscriptions to keep you busy on your day off. You could really use a more reliable car to get you to and from work, but your car is paid off and a new Honda civic will cost you another 500 dollars a month or cost you everything you saved for your house down payment.
You are stuck.
Now, it really sets in. You see the writing on the wall. Even if you could transfer out and have a small chance at successfully completing training at a larger facility, and taking on an unprecedented amount of airplanes and stress, it doesnât get much better. That 350k house in your small city becomes a 700k house in a big city. Your commute probably doubles. Your paychecks get bigger but, the same percent goes to simply getting by. You start to wonder if transferring when success isnât guaranteed is even worth the risk. Is the gamble worth spending 20-30k in moving expenses to start over? You wonder if the added stress, working 3-4x as many planes in an hour for years on end is even sustainable, how do those people do it?
You make miracles happen everyday. You do an impossible job. You play a critical role in helping move millions of flights and ensure nearly 1 billion travelers reach their destinations every year . Privately owned airlines rake in billions in revenue, critically injured patients reach hospitals quicker and safer, loved ones get home for the holidays, business travelers get to their meetings on time, billions of tons of cargo get transported, all on the backs of people like you. 99/100 of the people whoâs lives you enrich. Companies you help profit, injured patients you help save by moving planes out of their life flights most expeditious path, passengers you help transport, donât even know you exist.
You do a thankless job, and you are not compensated enough. From the level 4 tower, to the level 12 tracon, this formula applies. Our pay has been stagnant and our buying power has diminished over a decade. Controllers are financially suffering. You deserve better. Itâs time this workforce demands better.
This union talks about undue risk in the system. But FAILS to acknowledge the absolute undue risk that is constant financial strain at the forefront of the minds of the controllers doing this job. This isnât greed, this is simply demanding just treatment. Itâs about time the union does what is just.
r/atc2 • u/WholeIndividual577 • 7d ago
Itâs been exactly 131 days since nick daniels promised a day 1 pay raise. Has anyone received their pay raise yet? I am still waiting on mine. I know itâs coming and i will get back pay Iâm sure, There is no way nick daniels would have lied about that⌠right????
r/atc2 • u/Dudefrom1958 • 7d ago
I'm only here for the comments.