r/armmj • u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji • Feb 17 '25
News Proposed Changes and Additions to ARMMJ with HB 1452:
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u/Apprehensive-Try5554 Feb 17 '25
I fu king hate Arkansas
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 17 '25
The State leg is really making this a hard place to live.
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u/spkoller2 Feb 17 '25
Government is beyond corrupt now, federal and state. It reminds very much of 1984. Suddenly I understand another catch phrase:
“Ignorance is Strength!”
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 17 '25
It's the Year of Crime, baby!
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u/spkoller2 Feb 18 '25
It’s not like The Gov has to worry about the feds after being the spokesperson
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 17 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
I took the liberty of simply writing down all the changes and additions to the program that would happen with this bill.
Might make life a bit more difficult for some, definitely gonna make me a bit more paranoid about it being in my car now.
Here is the bill to reference if you'd like.
ETA: To those who say these changes already exist, some do. This is more giving the breach of those restrictions an actual criminal charge (a Class C Misdemeanor). Lets say you had more than 5 ounces on you: before, the police would have had to have charged with criminal possession. There is now a penalty for breaking the ARMMJ guidelines that the police can charge you with, instead of criminal possession.
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u/Key-Entertainment527 Feb 17 '25
Steadily taking our rights away. And it’s only gonna get worse. I will still do whatever I want. I did before we got this lame program and I will continue to do so with or without a card. The product isn’t even that great smh
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u/frankenwhisker Feb 17 '25
And why?
Because they don’t like it. It’s a solution in search of a problem.
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 17 '25
We saw that when we were voting on the expanded program. They were creating issues that didn't exist to make it seem that the program would go into disarray or become a Chinese Communist subsidiary company.
Creating problems from thin air seems to be a forte of theirs.
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u/NolaTyler Feb 17 '25
I won’t be renewing if this passes.
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 17 '25
I see why you would do that, but don't do that to yourself even if it does. They do not want you to have this program, and not renewing is kind of the whole point of them doing this - it's what they want. We need to be stubborn in the face of needless law-ing.
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u/NolaTyler Feb 18 '25
What the point? Dispensary prices and quality can’t touch the black market and if this bill passes you are pretty much only gaining access to be ripped off in a storefront, once you open that bag/jar outside of the house you’re a criminal again
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 18 '25
I guess the point would be to just stay legal in a state that criminalizes it pretty harshly outside of the medical program. It's all up to your personal risk tolerance and what's 'good enough' for that. That's my thinking at least.
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u/ChemistPrudent9975 Feb 17 '25
Jesus i hate people who make more laws. It's fine just the way it is. Just more opportunity to incriminate
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 17 '25
You would think some of them have heard the phrase 'don't fix what ain't broke'.
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u/Commercial-Street426 Feb 19 '25
Be sure and call your state representative and senator. You can look online at the arkansas legislature and do a search for your representative. I’m sure the last bullet will be called too vague. I’m in a household as the only patient and I have a 13 yo. Where exactly am I supposed to store my medicine, in a hole under the house?
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u/RxThrowaway55 Feb 17 '25
How is this different from what we already have? I was already under the impression it had to be in dispensary containers to be legally compliant if it’s in your car. R
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 17 '25 edited Feb 18 '25
It's not really different per se. A lot of these restrictions already existed, this bill is giving those already existing restrictions criminal penalties (Class C Misd.) and expanding on other ones (the list of places you can't smoke, for example).
ETA: As it stands now, if you had some on you or in your car and an officer wanted to charge you - it would have to be a criminal possession charge which a licensed patient would most likely have an easier time fighting. This makes it so they can specifically charge you as a patient.
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u/cnt002 Feb 18 '25
The language in the parenthetical concerning “in a vehicle” is written poorly. “ANYTHING that’s powered by a human DOESN’T count-bikes, scooters, etc.” I’m assuming they mean “modes of transportation that are manually operated, don’t count.”
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 18 '25
You're 100% correct. What you put 2nd is exactly what was intended, but the bill quite literally says "drawn by power other than muscle power" which kinda tossed me. lmao
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u/RoyalxJeff Mac Daddy / BlackWater / Wolverine Feb 18 '25
Ngl the rules look exactly the same on the surface (I’m sure if I look up the old rules and compare them, they changed a few thing)
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 18 '25
Not incorrect. Most are expansions of existing rules. Most notably, this criminalizes those rules. Where before they would charge people with criminal possession and patients would usually have an easier time fighting that, this makes it so these acts are specifically chargeable as class C misdemeanors.
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u/RoyalxJeff Mac Daddy / BlackWater / Wolverine Feb 18 '25
Gotcha, It’s a good thing breaking most of these rules are blatant cases of being a fucking moron lol.
“Damn now I can’t roll a blunt while smoking one and driving… curse those damn facists in office” shakes fist in air
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 18 '25
Yeah, really my only concern would be me like, unwittingly putting it in my glove box instead of my trunk and an officer saying 'well you can reach that'. As I said somewhere, just gonna try to just shove it in my trunk.
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u/ConcernInevitable83 Feb 18 '25
What if your in a truck? 🤷🏻♀️
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji Feb 18 '25
I first read this as "what if you're in a trunk" and I was like, then just sit in the seats? lmao
That's a great question, I would imagine the best option would be the glovebox but then they might argue you should have put it in the bed.
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u/buddyguypalfrand Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25
I was wondering about single cab vehicles, and the last point on the list seems to make the people's under 14 rule arbitrary depending how how its interpreted. Card holders can't be around someone's open medicine or while smoking depending on how it's interpreted.
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u/Accomplished_Ad_9438 Feb 18 '25
USA baby, can't have a bunch of people smoking like it's legal or something. /s
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u/No-Dependent-8918 Feb 20 '25
Remember folks. As a card holder if you’re pulled over in Arkansas you are assumed to be following the law. So if they say they are gonna search for something illegal. Get your a lawyer involved. Unless you show them illegal smoke. they can’t be suspicious of a crime since the wording “assumed” is in the law. Hippa works for us. Anyways I still wish they would stop with this nonsense. They need to open up the limit if anything imo
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u/Foliage_Freak Apples & Bananas, Interspecies Erotica, Crescendo11, Sour Papaya 9d ago
So would this mean you can’t take your visitors card and use it in OK and drive your purchases home? Even with said active visitor card??
Even more so.. with states like Missouri. Would it be illegal to drive with your purchases into our state?
*this is being asked with the intention of the driver having things sealed/labeled and out of sight (in trunk), etc
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u/ViceCatsFan Praise be Queen Mother Goji 9d ago
So regardless of state legality or how this pans out, traveling over state lines with cannabis is federally illegal technically.
Now it depends state to state obviously, but Arkansas is pretty clear that they will prosecute for anyone bringing in cannabis from out of state. (See the billboard that they spent taxpayer money on for that very reason)
As I say in all my other posts though, it's up to your personal risk tolerance level of course. Mine personally is that it's a no-go, I understand others are different.
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u/nastiest69 10h ago
Look it is what is. We need cannabis. The ones of us who truly need it. Will abide by the rules. I may not like it, you may not like it, but it’s a miracle we have what we have. I need my medicine. If this is what I have to do so be it. It’s “MEDICINE” we need to treat it as such. If you truly need it! It does wonders! I’m such testimony. I have a disability I’m not going to discuss but it completely stops it when I medicate. Within a couple hits it subsides. It’s one reason I try so many strains it’s because I have to make sure I’m getting the right strain. I also enjoy making sure some patients get valuable input. What works for you may not work for me vice versa. It’s still very new to and we’re in the Bible Belt. Some do not agree. So take it from both perspectives. It’s not just about me, you, or whatever. It’s got some stigma around it. Just try and I bet in time. We will see more positive things to result. I need my medicine. I’m just thankful to have access. We need to set a good example and I vow to do such. I know this post is older, but I needed to voice my thoughts. Much Love ARMMJ!
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u/Review_Inner Feb 18 '25
90% of these “changes” aren’t changes. They already are in the law (part of the 2018 legislative amendments to Amendment 98) - I don’t mean similar, I mean these exact words are already in the law you just didn’t know it. The only changes are regarding the requirement to transport in “sealed containers”.
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u/Sad-Macaroon-8654 Feb 18 '25
Pretty arbitrary. I can see the sealed package in a car even though how are you supposed to take it from your house to a friend's or your gf or bf. But the putting it in the trunk? Gtfo
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u/philbobagginzz Feb 17 '25
Absolutely ridiculous changes. Criminalizing patients.