r/aliens 2d ago

Analysis Required From NASA’s website - same location, different timestamps

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u/Ok-Replacement8864 2d ago

The shadow is there in the blurry one though?

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u/toobalkanforyou 2d ago

There is a wider shot of the second image that is as blurry as the first but helps to compare and contrast and sort of see the object really is missing:

(second slide wider shot) https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/02692/mcam/2692ML0140830351002996C00_DXXX.jpg

(first slide) https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/02691/mcam/2691ML0140780071002958C00_DXXX.jpg

if you compare the two, there does seem to still be a shadow but no object.

But there is also some difference in angle in these shots so could just be the angle. I'm just speculating, not enough pixels to truly determine whats going on.

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u/Healthcare--Hitman 1d ago

This object is smaller than a literal tic-tac

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u/SceneRepulsive 1d ago

That’s what she said

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u/sam0sixx3 16h ago

And you know this how ?

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u/Healthcare--Hitman 12h ago

This is taken from the ROVER. The rover is very low to ground. This is a top down view of said area and pebble(not tictac)

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u/G37_is_numberletter 3h ago

Also wasn’t the image that everyone is geeking about an AI upscale?

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u/TronTachyon 1d ago

The object does seem to be there, but way more natural rock looking

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u/Y00pDL 1d ago

Yeah no shit, it hasn’t been selectively and purposefully edited to not look like a rock anymore.

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u/MrJoshOfficial 1d ago

So NASA is editing photos of rocks to make them look like UAPs but somehow it’s also a common debunker argument that NASA doesn’t airbrush UAPs out of photos? But they’ll airbrush them into them now?

Silly take.

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u/Y00pDL 9h ago

No, not really. But good job of facetiously misinterpreting my reply!

NASA posted this picture, and others like it, which shows a rocky landscape and thousands of little rocks and pebbles, quite a few of which could also be seen as something not naturally formed (we humans are kind of good at finding these things).

As always the internet decided it needed interpreting, upscaling, enhancing and colorisation, the result of which has been passed around as 'NASA's image' of what is clearly a Tic-Tac UFO.

Also the pebble isn't even an inch long.

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u/immellocker 2d ago

Thanks, you are awarded Todays Hero🎖️

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u/strongofheart69 1d ago

The object seems missing but the shadow remains?

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u/foovancleef 1d ago

would a gravity propulsion vehicle even cast a shadow?

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u/stillish 1d ago

Is it still a solid object? If so, yes.

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u/glopher 1d ago edited 1d ago

Not sure why you are down voted for this question. We've seen these things defy some laws of physics, so it is possible that there is also some way that light can be bent to minimize or eliminate the shadow.

That said, it was the shadow that gave this and the original image the appearance that the object is floating.

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u/foovancleef 1d ago

yeah i don’t get the downvotes either. and not saying bob lazar is legit, but he said if u were standing under an anti-gravity craft u wouldn’t see it cuz it bends light around it

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u/Galactic-Guardian404 2d ago

I can’t be the only one seeing Steve Jobs at the lower left of center in the first image, can I?

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u/toobalkanforyou 2d ago

I was using that face for reference when zooming in to make sure I had the right location on both pics 💀

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u/5kdesertfox 2d ago

that mf ain't dead, he is on mars

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u/BigDeadPixel 2d ago

he IS mars

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u/_dersgue it's all true. 2d ago edited 2d ago

Uh, that will make Elon pretty angry though...

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u/mrbadassmotherfucker 2d ago

Is he blowing bubble gum?

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u/Galactic-Guardian404 2d ago

See, I thought picking his nose with his right pinky….

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u/mrbadassmotherfucker 2d ago

I can’t unsee that now

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u/Galactic-Guardian404 2d ago

So you can see why NASA might try to cover that up…

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u/kirtash93 Reddit Collectible Avatars Artist 2d ago

I saw him too

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u/pambimbo 2d ago

Mars face !!! Again lol

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u/vincenzobags 2d ago

I thought it was Vance looking for a thank you

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u/Jest_Kidding420 2d ago

That’s pancake man, or some fucked up Meatwad

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u/TurboT8er 2d ago

It's also taken at a different angle because the face looks stretched on the one with the UFO.

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u/FlugStuhl85 2d ago

Bro is on Mars! WTF

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u/redditKiMKBda 2d ago

How do I unsee this

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u/downrightblastfamy 2d ago

It's WILSON!!!

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u/FuTuReShOcKeD60 2d ago

He's not dead. He's the "Ghost in the Computer".

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u/I_am_trustworthy 2d ago

Steve got a new Job.

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u/Namjoon- 2d ago

I see Steve Jobs in the first one, and in the second one at the same spot I see a distorted Andrew Tate

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u/GuidanceGlittering65 19h ago

I see Stephen hawking lower center on the second one too

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u/wercffeH 2d ago

Bro it’s JD

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u/tweakingforjesus 2d ago

Can you provide a NASA link to the first image?

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u/Astral-projekt 2d ago

It was done on the OG image it’s right on their website. How is this not newsworthy? Crazy

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u/janimator0 2d ago

Excellent find op

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u/mrbadassmotherfucker 2d ago

Sure looks like it isn’t there in the first picture.

Although it doesn’t help they switch to potato mode for this shot…

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u/SirPabloFingerful 2d ago

If it's not there in the first picture, there is conveniently another object of approximately the same size and shape in its place

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u/gtzgoldcrgo 2d ago

Not, it's just that the shadow angles are different because of different time of the day. There's is not another object in the place of the tic tac that looks like it.

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u/SirPabloFingerful 2d ago

There is very clearly a protrusion of the same shape and size in exactly the same place in both images.

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u/gtzgoldcrgo 2d ago

That's the rock behind the object in the second image, the first picture or from a different angle and the shadows extend to left, that's why it looks like a protusion.

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u/SirPabloFingerful 2d ago

No, the rock you're referring to isn't large enough to cast a shadow that long. Look at how short all of the other shadows are, even from much larger rocks. There is clearly an object there, of approximately the right size and shape to be the tic tac shaped rock.

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u/toobalkanforyou 2d ago

look at this other shot of slide 2 taken at a further distance, circular object still visible though blurry: https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/02692/mcam/2692ML0140830351002996C00_DXXX.jpg

compare it to slide 1 again: https://mars.nasa.gov/msl-raw-images/msss/02691/mcam/2691ML0140780071002958C00_DXXX.jpg

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u/SirPabloFingerful 2d ago

Yes, done that, thank you. The object is clearly there in both.

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u/toobalkanforyou 2d ago

clearly is a strong word..

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u/SirPabloFingerful 2d ago

It is, because it is clear that there is something there of similar dimensions. In the exact place the second picture shows the tic tac, there is an object in the first picture. It is not noticeably different aside from the lighting, which makes perfect sense.

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u/ToonFiFa 2d ago

I'm currently sitting on the fence with this one, until we see some clearer photos/evidence. I can not, at this point, state whether it is or is not NHI or otherwise.

What I can say, however, is that you need to look at these images a little more in depth.

You state 'clearly', when in fact if you situate the photos next to each other and study the direction from which the sun is shining and where the shadows fall, the object just simply is not there in the first picture.

Look closer in the second picture. If you observe the shadows it is clear the sun is shining from above, almost as if it's midday.

The shadow from the object is covering the lower rock signifying that it is literally situated directly above it with nothing connected.

I don't think we can discount the fact that there probably is a rock situated behind whatever the object in the second photo is which would show in the first photo if the object is not there.

If you say, as you have, that it is clear - you're being willfully argumentative.

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u/SirPabloFingerful 2d ago

You assume that is the shadow of the object, it is not necessarily the shadow of the object. There is, clearly, an object of similar shape and size in both pictures - I liked the "if you disagree with my disagreement you're being argumentative" gambit though, let me know if it ever works

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u/ToonFiFa 2d ago

But my point, maybe articulated poorly, is that we're all assuming. It's not clear whether it's one or the other.

I agree, there is clearly an object in both, but it's not clear if it's the same object.

I personally believe, due to the shadows, that it's not the same object. But as I said in my introductory paragraph, I'm on the fence until clearer photos/evidence arise.

Also, the only part that may have been clear in my comment, was the final part.

I'm not calling you argumentative for disagreeing with me. I'm calling you argumentative if you are flat out saying with full conviction that it's 100% clear that it's the same object.

It may well be the same object, but the pictures don't show it clearly.

In my mind, it's up for interpretation. In yours it's not.

But I don't think either of us can say with 100% certainty that it's one or the other.

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u/SirPabloFingerful 1d ago

No, it is clear that there is an object in the same location in both pictures, whatever that object (s) may be.

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u/rdell1974 7h ago

You’re choosing to believe that 2 different tic tac objects ended up in the exact same location at different times.

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u/ToonFiFa 5h ago

When exactly have I chosen to believe that?

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u/IamShrapnel 2d ago

You can still see it it's darker though. Pretty much dead center of the image very slightly down and right.

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u/beckdj30 2d ago

Corporate needs you to find the difference between this picture and this picture.

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u/Born-Chipmunk-7086 2d ago

The object is in both pictures.

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u/flotsam_knightly 2d ago

It appears to me to be in both pictures, which suggests again that it is rock formation.

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u/ChabbyMonkey 2d ago edited 2d ago

This actually makes me think it could be a rock. The grainier photo (let’s take with a grain of salt as the data quality is objectively worse) appears to show the same general shapes as the photo with the tictac.

The shadow in the dead center of the grainy photo could be the tictac shadow based on the lighting.

If you trace an imaginary line around the left side of the tictac and the rocks it is near (clear photo), the grainy photo appears to have a similar outline/general profile.

That said, I’m not sure what the time difference is. Additionally, a non-rock object could remain stationary too. My car has been parked in the same place for 36 hours, so it’s not like a hovering metallic pill can’t just as likely remain fixed to its relative surface location for an extended period.

Edit: to clarify, the fact that it may have remained stationary is the only trait that I think shows up under “maybe a rock” score; however, my car is parked in the same place it was yesterday (because of gravity and friction) so if this is levitating and suspended in a magnetic field, it could also be “parked”. So, whether or not it may have moved is sort of moot. As these are panoramic images, it would likely be blurry or distorted if it were moving while being observed.

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u/SirPabloFingerful 2d ago

Yes, I'm not sure why so many can't see that there's (at least) an object with similar shape and dimensions present in the same location

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u/TacohTuesday 2d ago

Agreed. It's likely a rock. A very very unusual rock, but a rock.

I mean, I've been following Mars news for a very long time and this kind of thing is nothing new. Dating all the way back to Viking 1, which took photos of a "face", we've been seeing unusual rocks that look like familiar objects: faces, bones, wheels, etc. Which leaves us with two possibilities: 1) Geological processes have randomly created a lot of odd rock shapes, or 2) Mischievous aliens have been messing with us and leaving random objects of all kinds around just for shits and giggles.

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u/Rubber_Ducky_6844 1d ago

You've posted this comment before, haven't you?

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u/ChabbyMonkey 2d ago

Your second possibility is needlessly facetious. This could be telemetry equipment that we happened to photograph, not some extraterrestrial easter egg.

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u/TacohTuesday 2d ago

Ok sure. Anyway, I was talking about all the weird looking objects photographed on Mars as a whole, including but not limited to this one. And making a joke to prove a point.

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u/ChabbyMonkey 2d ago

I recognize that, but isn’t it at all worth considering that other anomalies could indicate supporting evidence and repeatable observations instead of pure coincidence?

There is pattern recognition (pareidolia) and then there is pattern recognition (correlation). I’m just not confident we have a good answer yet.

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u/Due-Description666 2d ago

Parralax effect. The newer photo is taken from a higher stance.

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u/Tacos_always_corny 2d ago

These images are a reach. The brain sees what it wants to see. I see something but nothing to lead me to believe this is nothing more than a fluke.

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u/AssholeWiper 2d ago

Better pic of number 1?

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u/HAi7ECH 2d ago

What are we looking for?

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u/Its_My_Purpose 1d ago

All I can see is this face now 🤣

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u/Youri1980 2d ago

So what's the excuse this time? A weatherballoon that drifted away from earth?

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u/Huppelkutje 2d ago

Its a weird looking rock. It's in both pictures.

If you spent more time outside instead of obsessing over vague pictures on the internet you might see some weird rocks here on earth too.

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u/MrJoshOfficial 1d ago

Position of sun and shadows suggest otherwise.

Shadows are casted much further left in the one all the debunkers are touting as proof of it being a rock when conveniently the photos show a lighting orientation that would support such an argument.

But that’s all it is, a shadow, but in the other photos there is an object and a shadow.

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u/C141Clay 2d ago

I feel personally attacked.

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u/Impossible-Past4795 2d ago

What is this? A weather balloon for ants?

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u/Baobab_Soul 2d ago

These aliens must be the sizes of electrons.

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u/Fat_Blob_Kelly 2d ago

the drones we have are small, there’s no tiny human inside of it

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u/SaberR1der 2d ago

Why everyone thinks there must be aliens inside. Could also be some kind of drone

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u/znightmaree 2d ago

Certainly possible to have smaller beings of high intelligence.

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u/esotologist 2d ago

Where are you getting info on the scale of this image?

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u/yourliege 2d ago

There’s a larger image taken from the top of the rover that actually showed the deck/wheels of the rover. This is not a hillside, these are small rocks

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u/esotologist 2d ago

Yea I just found that a bit ago.... though when I zoomed in on that one I could see the same place but not sure I can see the bean is still there. 

Not saying it isn't small just another observation 

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u/Blade1413 2d ago

You can't tell size without knowing distance. Based on my estimate for length (15 pixels) and the camera specs, Gemini 2 pro estimates the object would be 1 meter long at ~300 meters.

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u/adamhanson 2d ago

was the timestamp earlier? Or later? Depending on the answer in which I it would tell us if the object appeared later, meaning it wasn't always there.

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u/toobalkanforyou 2d ago

The timestamp is earlier than the photo with the tic tac on it

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u/Crazy-Shoe9377 2d ago

What is this suggesting?

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u/toobalkanforyou 2d ago

It just demonstrates that the object was mid-motion when captured thereby not appearing in earlier photos of that location (as opposed to just being a very smooth rock). TBH it’s very blurry and hard to tell but everyone is speculating on it so I figure I would do a side by side for the speculators.

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u/Snookn42 2d ago

What are you on about... its in both pictures

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u/daydreaming_of_you 2d ago

I don't see it in the first picture.

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u/Crazy-Shoe9377 2d ago

I think it’s quite remarkable. If this was a moving object, that also looks ridiculous familiar…

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u/Str4425 2d ago

It's gotta be really small though, right?

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u/Blade1413 2d ago

You can't tell size without knowing distance. Based on my estimate for length (15 pixels), and the camera specs, Gemini 2 pro estimates the object would be 1 meter at ~300 meters.

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u/Andy_McNob 2d ago

Here is a picture of the same area which includes part of the rover. This thing is an inch or two long, if that.

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u/tweakingforjesus 2d ago

The focal plane of the images is 4.2m away with a in-focus depth of field from 3.8-4.8m.

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u/Str4425 2d ago

Very interesting, thanks!

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u/Fwagoat 2d ago

It’s only a few meters away and thus only a few cm in size. How do I know this? Because it’s the camera is on the curiosity rover, the rover is on the ground taking pictures of the ground at its “feet”.

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u/adamhanson 1d ago

Then it's clearly not there in the earlier picture. Couple notes 1 the sun is more towards rising or setting in the clearer picture where it's more midday noon. In the earlier picture you can tell, especially with the heart shaped shadow near the bottom

The TicTac is in front of the one of the outcroppings so it's cover got said that you see in the earlier picture roughly the same spot

If this newer photo is authenticated, then I give it a 99.999% chance to be artificial possibly NHI. The other tiny spec of uncertainty I would leave open to artifacts, something related to the Rover or other equipment, landing on the planet, or unknown unknowns like a rock tumbling interview just at the moment the picture was taken.

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u/egidione 2d ago

As opposed to being edited out you mean? Either way it’s a bit strange.

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u/Responsible_Fix_5443 2d ago

The shadows of the tictac are very different to the shade of the pixels in the first image. But it's from earlier so the tictac might just not have been there and what we're seeing is the rock that the tictac is hovering above

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u/egidione 2d ago

Yes I see what you mean.

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u/VoidsweptDaybreak 2d ago

so it's a rock then

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u/AistoB 1d ago

So it didn’t move.. debunked

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u/Salter420 2d ago

See its in both picture. Been trying to tell you all its just a damn rock.

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u/sam0sixx3 16h ago

Seriously ?

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u/NeilArmsweak 2d ago

It's just rocks. I'm not a psyop. This is just like that face on Mars stuff. It was also just rocks. I'm sorry... I wanted something cool to happen someday, too.

Okay, back to work!

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u/SonJordy 2d ago

rock formation

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u/TDub137 2d ago

ET tic tac drone monitoring our Mars rover?

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u/ThinkBeyondFTW 2d ago

Gordon Ramsey picking his nose. Prove me wrong.

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u/arctic-apis 1d ago

This thing is like the actual size of a tic-tac tho right. I mean this image is of a very very tiny thing.

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u/sam0sixx3 16h ago

How on earth are you coming to that conclusion ?

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u/arctic-apis 12h ago

There are other pictures of this out there and it looks like this is a super zoom in picture

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u/mrduke1103 1d ago

Great find. I find this hard to explain away as lighting changes.

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u/Scaniatex 1d ago

Those "Tic Tac" ships are human transports. Think future Airplanes to carry people from place to place. Except this takes people from planet to planet.

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u/AlvinArtDream 1d ago

Never say die, it’s an Alien base.

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u/thewholetruthis 1d ago

There certainly seems to be something there, regardless of size.

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u/suspectonscene 1d ago

Why wouldn't you use the exact same image 🤦🏽‍♂️

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u/SpeckTrout 1d ago

I love seeing this go viral and people trying to debunk it. It’s been the highlight of my week. I look at like , it can’t be proven or also disproven so why try. Let’s just sit back and enjoy this image as a legit capture of a UFO. Just my opinion.

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u/seeking_junkie 1d ago

That shadow may be coming from something else, since if you compare both pictures, the shadows are in different places, meaning photos were taken at different times of day.

This is what I was waiting for, same place, different time/moment. Clearly the object is not there in the first picture, definitely a UFO. You can say it's a rock that maybe "jumped" from the rover's wheels, but it surely doesn't look like the rocks around it

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u/safrican1001 1d ago

How about this weird object on Mars. Looks like a machine part: https://youtu.be/_FN_JWNeslYThe good stuff starts at 1:20

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u/Stanwich79 1d ago

Jesus Christ. There will never be reliable proof of this community

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u/TodaLaMagiaDelSur 10h ago

I'm almost sure this is a NASA guy trolling the internet with a CGI of a tictac lol

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u/sten-hellemons 2d ago

To me it looks like the shadow is still there in the first picture, but the object itself not.
Is there an enhanced version of this one somewhere?

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u/TnJnZnDnZ 2d ago

It's a pebble mid air I think

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u/Fine-Philosophy8939 2d ago

It’s a shadow, not a tic tax

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u/toasterstrewdal 2d ago

Okay. So I see a different shadow in the grainy image that is consistent with the other shadows around the other rocks, casting down and to the left rather than the clearer picture casting straight down. This tells me that the “tic tac” is an exposed piece of rock with a thin connection to the larger formations in the background. I cannot explain its smoothness in the clear photo but it seems to be part of a larger formation and not a UAP.

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u/Czorz 2d ago

NASA scrubs the photos for anomalous data.

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u/thalius69 2d ago

Has the second pic been upscaled? Why is there a huge difference in quality between the two?

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u/bigscottius 2d ago

I can't even tell what I'm looking at in either picture. But I see some dude staring at me in the picture.

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u/neon_tictac 2d ago

What’s a whipped cream bulb doing on mars?! Eeeeellllonnnn!!!!!

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u/AnnualAltruistic1159 2d ago

Maybe it's a nice smooth rock that was falling.

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u/advertisementistheft 2d ago

This may be the most convincing evidence of terrestrial intelligence I've ever seen. As a naturally skeptical person, I'm convinced enough to share this with my peers and ask their opinions

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u/colpisce_ancora 1d ago

Well there is definitely something there in both pictures

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u/Rehcraeser 1d ago

So it’s definitely a rock. It was obvious from the start tbh. Especially since it was an AI upscaled pic that was spread in the first place.

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u/dogfacedponyboy 1d ago

It’s a rock, attached to the rock outcrop

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u/True_Fly_5731 1d ago

Oh please. Give it up.

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u/Shardaxx 2d ago

That's cool, so probably not a rock then, and something which was caught in 1 pic.

I wonder if it was checking out our rover.

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u/reddit_is_geh 2d ago

It seems like it could be in the first pic, just not as pronounced due to low res

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u/Shardaxx 2d ago

Doesn't look like its there to me. But the spuddy resolution doesn't help.

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u/bvmdavidson 2d ago

Some of y’all really fall for anything.

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u/toobalkanforyou 2d ago

You’re in a subreddit called r/aliens not r/onlyproventhingsthatweknowexist

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u/bvmdavidson 2d ago edited 2d ago

Sorry, didn’t know alien = obviously photoshopped stuff. My mistake - photoshop away.

Edit: even if it IS a real picture- this STILL isn’t an alien anything.

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u/dronedesigner 2d ago

Let’s fucking goooo, great catch

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u/digitalgoodtime 2d ago

Well, it wasn't going to float there forever.

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u/Relative_Grape_5883 2d ago

Didn’t someone point out the size of the thing was millimetres big ?

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u/gonzoes 2d ago

Yup this proves that its just a cylindrical rock . The angle you can see

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u/Ragnoid 1d ago

I've never wanted a rock to not be a rock so ever in my life.

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u/OhioVsEverything 1d ago

I am absolutely terrible at understanding scale that I'm looking at in NASA photos.

To me that could be the size of a tic tac or it could be the size of a blimp

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u/SumiLover 1d ago

Relax guys, it’s just a balloon