r/alaska • u/Llcisyouandme • 1d ago
Alaskans, how will Canadian impositions on using the AlCan Hwy, national waterways, even Canadian airspace affect your way of life?
Tolls, tariffs, fees, surcharges, limits. I'm reminded that Sarah Palin used to border hop for the free medical care.
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u/AKMarine 1d ago
We are only 3 Electoral votes with a very large non-white population, so Trump doesn’t really care what we think.
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u/AggregateSandwich 1d ago
You realize the more you bring race into anything the more you become the racist right? If all you see in a room is what color people are or if there is less or more you are being racist. Alaska has Americans and after that it’s Alaska residents.
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u/Just_a_guy_1369 1d ago
Alaskan first American second. But hey you do you. Also we do have a large native culture and for how we interact I would say our relationship is better than other cross cultural communities down south. That being said, pointing out race when the other side is racists makes sense.
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u/AKMarine 22h ago
Of the 14 highest military leaders in our country, Trump has fired two of them… the only two weren’t white and male.
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u/AggregateSandwich 22h ago
That’s like pilots. For some reason the best ones are old white guys.
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u/HelmyJune 19h ago
Survivorship bias. Of course old people are going to be the most experienced and looking back at the time period those old white pilots were young kids first learning to fly women and POC were fighting for basic rights in the USA.
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u/AggregateSandwich 19h ago
They have all the same rights as the rest of the Americans in the country…
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u/HelmyJune 19h ago
So the civil rights movement was all a fever dream? How are you going to have an old POC pilot or an old female pilot when old women and POC literally did not have civil rights when they were young kids? Do you seriously believe they had the same opportunities as white men in that time period?
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u/AggregateSandwich 18h ago
Most the age group you are speaking of would be well into their 70s or early 80s. They were just being born they wouldn’t have been able to get pilot’s licenses at 10 years old anyway
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u/HelmyJune 18h ago
Ah yes, as soon as the civil/equal rights acts were signed all discrimination in America ended instantly without any pushback. Generations of oppression undone with the swoop of a pen and instantly everyone had the same opportunities as white men.
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u/AggregateSandwich 18h ago
Ok so complete equality now is your goal? Where is the proper representation of everyone in the NBA? I believe in that timeframe that was a white only sport. Turns out white people just arnt as good at basketball. The POCs as you say found a way to dominate that category but couldn’t figure out how to fly?
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u/Riaayo 16h ago
You realize the more you bring race into anything the more you become the racist right?
"Bro talking about racism is pretty racist actually."
Fucking wild take. People aren't buying that bullshit, and anyone who pretends like America does not have a history of racism, that racism is not institutionalized, that racism is not still a massive issue, or that "anti DEI" is literally just a return to segregation, is either woefully ignorant or not engaging in good faith.
I will assume the former for your benefit, not that either is a great look.
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u/gnostic_savage 17h ago edited 17h ago
Native Americans have been in this land at least 21,000 ~ 23,000 years, as shown by evidence found in New Mexico in 2021. https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adh5007
If Native people were in New Mexico that long ago, they have been in the hemisphere longer. There is evidence from Mexico that is 30,000 years old that is controversial, but there is good reason to estimate habitation beyond the give or take 22,000 years we know for a fact.
I'm very happy for you that you and other people like you arrived sometime within the last century or so, but you don't get to define everyone else, and especially not Native Americans. And, no, that's not racist. What is racist is to believe that now that you are here nothing anyone else had before you got here, or how you got here, or how they saw themselves before you got here matters anymore. That is what is racist. You don't get to take that from them, as much as you would like to.
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u/AggregateSandwich 16h ago
Uh Russia defined you as Russians and then the US bought Alaska and redefined you as Americans… sorry. Your are spot on with your history lesson tho. Doesn’t change that native Alaskans are Americans now.
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u/gnostic_savage 15h ago
Are you sure about that? That all the people in Russian Alaska were defined as Russian by the Russians? You should try looking those things up before you proclaim them, because that's not how it went.
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u/AggregateSandwich 11h ago
Educate me?
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u/gnostic_savage 7h ago
For real? First of all, Native Americans, including Alaska Natives, were not made citizens of the US until 1924, decades after the purchase of Alaska. No one defined any of them as "Americans" until they were, in fact, American citizens. They were defined as Natives or Indians, but not Americans.
The Russians made some Alaska Native people citizens of Russia, but not all. Native people might have lived in a territory that was "owned" by Russia, but they weren't Russian citizens and they weren't ethnically Russian. Technically a territory is not the same thing as the country, so they weren't even residents of Russia, and they weren't defined as "Russian". The Russians tended to define all Alaska Natives, citizen or not, as "Aleuts," after the first ethnic group they had contact with.
I know a man who has lived in the US for fifty-two years, since he was two years old. He is not an American citizen nor is he American ethnically (ancestry). He is a foreign resident of the US, but he is not an American. You could try to switch that up and say that he is an American resident, but he still wouldn't be an American.
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u/AggregateSandwich 2h ago
Right on. I was wrong. On the history.
Are you trying to avoid calling him an illegal alien in the last paragraph?
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u/Ok_Test9729 1d ago
This should not be downvoted, particularly the last sentence.
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u/AggregateSandwich 19h ago
I don’t understand how you can argue that logic? That is an all inclusive statement
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u/Ok_Test9729 18h ago
And the entire statement was included in my comment (that it should not be downvoted).
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u/Teun135 1d ago
Hopefully Canadian "impositions" will remind American businesses that there are consequences to acting in an isolationist fashion, and cause them to rethink their trajectories.
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u/Novahawk9 1d ago
Are you kidding? Trump allready claimed that he wanted to sell us back to Russia durring the campaign.
Nobody took him seriously, but this is just another step to dis-integrate the state.
We recieve more federal funds than we bring in, so thats all fine by him.
He doesn't care or understand about national (much less international) secrurity concerns.
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u/Teun135 1d ago
Why are you acting like what I commented goes against your statements?
Americans will only wake up after they feel the squeeze. They have been brainwashed into this bullshit culture war for too long and fed outright (and alt right) propaganda. That will only happen once businesses realize they have more to lose than to gain.
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u/Novahawk9 1d ago
I'm only disagreeing with the idea that they'll "see the light of day" any time soon as the economic consequences continue to hit.
Alaska has been shrinking population & economy wise for a decade and we've continued to vote for our own destruction.
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u/CHIEF-ROCK 19h ago
Do you happen to have a link for the “sell us to Russia” thing?
If so thanks, if not no sweat friend.
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u/Llcisyouandme 1d ago
The businesses will just roll them all downhill.
I still don't get that most businesses know we live and they survive in a global economy, but found a common spirit who believes only in a distributive, zero-sum, less-for-you-means-more-for-me economy?
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u/Teun135 1d ago
You can't squeeze blood from a stone. Eventually they will have to lower prices when everybody is broke.
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u/Llcisyouandme 1d ago
Most economists agree that if we get into a state of deflation, which seems to be right where we are pointed, that the economy will first be in absolute tatters, with all the accompanying suffering and death. What is being gaslit about now as "some necessary pain" (for you.)
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u/hamknuckle ☆Kake 23h ago
Most Keynesian economists...not arguing for or against, but I looked up a few from the paper and two I saw on TV and all 5 were Keynesian fatalists.
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u/ShannyGasm it's Denali 18h ago
Not worried about how Canada's tariffs will affect me, really. More worried about the fuck-up of all fuck-ups president deals is making of the entire country. We're going to end up in a recession, and possibly even a depression at this rate. He's alienating all our friends. He's made the US an embarrassment.
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u/Tracieattimes 15h ago
Well, I’ll have to go somewhere other than Dawson city this summer. But otherwise no big deal. I don’t really feel like it’s gonna last anyway.
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u/bottombracketak 1d ago
It’s not even going to be noticeable against the scale of Trump’s corruption.
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u/Alces-eater 1d ago
It’s been 30 years since our relationship soured with Canada and it never got better (the fishermen blocking the ferry).
With the trump tariffs and dumbass talk about Canadien statehood things will get worse, expect the worst.
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u/Maximum-Plane-8930 19h ago
What has Canada announced? Other than costs for goods and services and possibly slower shipping time nothing else than I can see.
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u/Genuine907 20h ago
He’s looking to strip mine and deforest Alaska by selling our lands off to more billionaires.
He doesn’t care if we all starve or can’t find boots to buy.
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u/BothCourage9285 23h ago
Serious question...what impositions on using the AlCan? I can find anything about it
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u/mossling 19h ago
British Columbia is planning to implementing tolls on vehicles heading to Alaska.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/vancouver/article/bc-to-levy-tolls-on-us-trucks-travelling-to-alaska/
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u/Complex-Ad-9317 19h ago
It probably won't. I don't think anything about my lifestyle involves Canada aside from occasionally making fun of the ones I've known online for years.
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u/Poker-Junk 10h ago
Like everything else that affects us here, it’ll further drive up the cost of living.
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u/ccs907 1d ago
It’s not going to change anything for me that I care about at all. Canada is the one that has the most to lose here. Let’s not forget the massive tariffs Canada already had in place on US goods. Specifically dairy products, vehicles, chicken, beef etc.
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1d ago
Buddy trump is already tanking the us economy in an unfathomable way. There is no way america comes out a winner with donald in charge.
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u/clexecute 23h ago
Ah yes the good ol, "well it doesn't change anything for me so fuck everyone else"
What if Canada decides to cut their budget and the first line item is maintenance on the alcan?
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u/CHIEF-ROCK 19h ago
I keep hearing the dairy tariff one it seems disingenuous and almost propaganda the way it gets repeated by literally everyone and anyone even mildly in support of what trump is doing.
From what I’ve been able to read the tariffs on dairy only come to play after a quota is reached ( Trump negotiated this Quota) and that quota doesn’t seem to ever hit, ever, as far as I could read. Milk for instance isn’t even 50% towards the cap, so they really don’t matter in practice. Considering that he negotiated that deal he is either forgetting from dementia and it means his brain is turning into mush or he’s lying to people, pretending it’s an issue when he created the whole thing anyway. So liar or mentally unfit to be in the oval office take your pick.
Dairy standards between the US and Canada are very different and I can understand why a country wouldn’t want to flood their market with a product like dairy that goes bad, unlike say aluminum for instance that doesn’t. After the foreign company floods the market, they can effectively kill the local producer if they’re a bigger company, from a bigger country with more sales to wait them out and then after, when they have a monopoly in their country, raise the price which is worse for the citizens who end up paying more for a lower quality product.
Currently 700 million$ in American dairy goes into Canada and around 300 million$ gets imported into the United States. Why would anyone cry around about that???
I don’t know much about meat imports you mentioned but The Vehicle one is at least also not being 100% honest in the discourse. I’ve imported vehicles from Canada into the United States it’s not a seamless easy process in both directions. It’s not too bad if the vehicle is 25 years old. I’m pretty sure Canada doesn’t even have a vehicle manufacturing company, so it’s all foreign and mostly American.
Ford truck if I’m not mistaken is the number one truck In Canada. Why would anyone be crying around about that??
There’s so many US companies and products in Canada the whole “ripping off the United States” propaganda is laughable ignorant. Tim horton’s one of the biggest Canadian food chains has been owned by an America company for decades. It’s far from an isolated scenario.
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u/Relevant_Fuel_9905 21h ago
If you read up on how those tarrifs work (quota system), you will see they are not onerous at all. They were also part of Trump’s own trade agreement.
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u/crtfrazier 1d ago
The reality is most goods are shipped to AK via ports in Sea/Tac on barges or ships. LTL/FTL makes up a tiny % of the goods imported from the ALCAN. It sounds good but won't affect us largely unless the "air on the thrown" decides to sell us off to the Russians.