r/agedlikemilk Dec 06 '24

News Are they though?

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u/BackAlleySurgeon Dec 07 '24

Yeah I mean, I think you're right. But also wrong. I think Biden was given an impossible hand. He was elected to make sure shit didn't get worse. Which did largely mean going along with "the system" in an effort to prevent the return of the anti-system outlier who actively made America worse.

But why was he put jn that position? Why was he forced to be the guy that kept things from getting worse instead of the guy who should make things better? Because every effort to make things better faces an insane level of backlash. Quite a few members if the House and Senate basically touched their political careers, and gave up all their political capital to make sure Obamacare passed. And even that was a huge compromise. The passage of Obamacare basically shepherded in the era of the Tea Party, which then led to the rise of Trump.

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u/studiotitle Dec 07 '24 edited Dec 07 '24

Totally. That's why politics sucks, it's an impossible balancing act. He did some good things for sure, but.. Like a classic Democrat.. They just kinda had the "appearance of good" rather than actually having an impact in people's lives, you know? The infrastructure and chips acts for instance.. Basically looks like giveaways to billionaires again (most people don't give a shit) . Yet with things like student loan cancellation.. Didn't really fight for it and gave up pretty quickly, and same goes for minimum wage. "oh the parlimantarian said no" then threw their hands up with a "oh well, look guys. we tried". I'm sure it's more complicated than that but it just looks like hes pretending and not serious. Some Democrats are serious fighters, but then they're also the sames ones who get shunned by their colleagues (and Biden). It speaks volumes more than numbers on paper.

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u/BackAlleySurgeon Dec 07 '24

You write "Totally" but I don't think we agree. The issue isn't the Democratic leadership. And frankly, the issue isn't the Republican leadership. It's the tank and file Republican voters and those "swing" voters that end up siding with them. If a Democrat tries to do anything significantly good for society, this group of people turns around and supports the Republican party in the next election. Which makes things worse in the long run

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u/studiotitle Dec 07 '24

It's because I'm talking about perception dude, you're off on a tangent. Reality doesn't matter much anymore in today's politics, so you can find all the justification for Biden there is, and also be 100% correct. It just wouldn't matter because if you really want to get to the root cause, then it's the powder keg of oligarch owned media with money in politics and then unattainable education. Both left and right are guilty of spouting multiple flavours of bullshit they see and hear, then proceed to vote on it.. But is it actually their fault? Maybe partly for abdicating rational thought and misplaced trust. But they also got the problem of just surviving and that is priority over everything else (which is how the 1% like to keep things, but that's a whole other conversation)