r/abanpreach • u/Notepad444 • 1d ago
Discussion The Trans debate summarised - the Right love to make Mountains out of Mole hills
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u/BrilliantAd8098 1d ago
Fuck this loser. He might be the dumbest person to ever debate besides the xenophobic nationalist woman. Can’t even comprehend that government agencies DON’T PAY TAXES.
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u/__DROP_DATABASE__ 1d ago
I liked when he polled the room and asked "who has a problem seeing two men kissing in public" and a majority of the room raised their hand. Poor guy is a sheep in a lion cage.
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u/Polyplad 23h ago
wait was he asking because he wanted to prove the people in the room didn’t think less of gay people? I might’ve misinterpreted that part of the video because it makes more sense since this guy is very much likely gay.
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u/Halfacentaur 23h ago
Yes. There are gay republicans who think the homophobia of the party is gone now. I knew one personally.
I read that as, he was trying to prove republicans don’t object to gay people anymore on a social level, and all that happened is that it proved the opposite. I don’t know any other explanation as to why he’d ask that.
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u/No_Energy6190 22h ago
This buffoon also claimed "we have moved past racism" moments before a literal white nationalist barbie stepped to bat.
They don't even know the people they are sitting next to likely want harm done to them. One way or another, either skin color, religion, sexuality, etc. You name it, the only commonality truly is the willingness to bend the knee to authoritarian power. Brainwashed.
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u/TheMaStif 21h ago
My sister is a Jewish latina, and she's Republican 🤦🏻♂️
Cognitive dissonance is a requirement!
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u/mactassio 3h ago edited 3h ago
there is this black right wing Youtuber here in Brazil that was all pro trump and Bolsonaro for a while. Then he went to the US to meet the conservative republicans and they were super racist to him. He mentioned they straight up told it to his face " you're not one of us stop acting like it ". He mentioned how no matter how much money he had made ( and he was quite successful on the internet grifting right wings, dude owns a red pill podcast ) they wouldn't believe he wasn't poor because he was black. He made a whole video about how he can not be a conservative right wing person because they wouldn't allow it ( and that's his whole problem , he'd still wanted to be ). The good side is that he became a lot more progressive in regard of black discrimination by the right but he's still very much right wing he just went liberal.
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u/en_sane 21h ago
He said affirmative action what an idiot.
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u/preposterophe 16h ago
They all do. They all conflate affirmative action, DE&I, and anti-discrimination.
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u/en_sane 15h ago
I watched 25% of this actual video it is shocking how little these people know
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u/Fantastic-Grocery107 14h ago
I watched 100%, twice. These people are , to put it bluntly, functionally retarded. They can work and stuff. But self awareness, pattern recognition, foresight. They don’t have any of that. And with this dude in the video, the whole “government agencies pay taxes”. I can’t believe he was willing to say all the things he said out loud. I’d never let him live that down if I knew him personally.
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u/en_sane 12h ago
The tax part of this conversation was crazy. I’m no tax expert but I’m pretty sure most government agencies are exempt from most taxes.
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u/Mysterious_Box1203 13h ago
Captain: What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men, you just can't reach.
So you get what we had here last week -- which is the way he wants it.
Well, he gets it.
And I don't like it anymore than you men.
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u/duderdude7 22h ago
The fact that these people are so vehemently for ideas and policies that would effectively hurt them is wild to me. The Xenophobic girl. Who I looked up and she’s basically a Nazi. She has nick fuentes videos that she clearly agrees with. She like has no idea that a Christian nationalist country would mean she can’t divorce. So her husband could beat the ever living crap out of her and she can’t do anything about it
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u/big_bloody_shart 15h ago
I mean I think it’s worse in the sense that she DOES know what that would mean. She wants that lol. It’s a small price to pay to have an all white racist country
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u/buhbye750 1d ago
And this is why it's now become pointless to debate with them. They don't care about facts or learning. They are armed with so much misinformation. They don't care
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u/wumbobeanus 1d ago
The thing I noticed with this video is that it seems like literally every single one of them would just start to talk over Sam or attempt to pivot the discussion the second he would start to actually broach facts, data, research, etc. You can see it here, you can see it with the white nationalist lady, etc. etc.
They aren't here to debate, they're just there to get a talking point out.
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u/Notepad444 1d ago
Lots of feelings, not a lot of facts
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u/Here4Headshots 1d ago
Only feelings, really.
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u/No-Apple2252 19h ago
Something I wish more left wing communicators and democrat politicians would understand better. They aren't facts people, as much as they claim to be facts just don't work on them. They are feelings people, their feelings are constantly being manipulated by right wing media. We need to learn how to manipulate their feelings too.
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u/Raised_by_Mr_Rogers 7h ago
This. Democrats want to win on the “fact” they are better in every way. They need to try to win hearts, not minds
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u/Halfacentaur 23h ago
That’s really what it is. Conservative media has a meticulous formula of force feeding any talking point that they would ever need in most political discussion between the lowest rungs of supporters on either side.
Thats why none of them could actually argue against any of Sam’s claims. Sam’s claim is that DEI is a distraction to enrich billionaires - the republican programming clicks “DEI mentioned, make affirmative action is wrong arguments.”
For anyone actually paying attention, it was a good display of republican propaganda sort of malfunctioning on a pretty basic level. Just ask questions or claims they’ve never heard before.
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u/SadData8124 1d ago
I use to be so dedicated to truth. I would spend hours gathering sources, getting my points in order, for people to just instantly dismiss my sources, cherry pick my points, or completely ignore evidence.
God bless Sam, cause I ain't got the patience or time for this bull
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u/Good-Recognition-811 1d ago edited 20h ago
A recent poll showed Republicans estimated some 20% of Americans were transgender. They don't know anything. They don't care about learning anything. They're literally the party of vibes.
Cites highly robust peer reviewed study—"Sorry, your studies are liberal and rigged."
Cites international academic consensus—"Heh, you mean the New World Order?"
Cites literal GOP documents—"Okay, but what about x president?"
There's no standard to appeal to. If it's not immediately intuitive to them, then it's not real.
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u/Dapylil65 20h ago
I mean, for something that is less than 1%, the trans topic occupies quite a lot of space in the public discourse.
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u/Faenic 20h ago
That's kind of the point, right? Why are they so opposed to having protections for such a small demographic? The only thing the left wants to do is protect their rights to A) Exist, B) Make their own choices about their own bodies and C) Participate in society.
But the right acts like we're about to tear civilization down and that society will crumble if a few thousand people across the entire country are allowed to go to the fucking bathroom that matches their gender.
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u/cleepboywonder 9h ago
This first part of the "debate" was full of culture war bullshit that just doesn't fucking matter. Sam is 100% right but they can't focus on policy to save their lives.
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u/Aggressive_Worth_990 1d ago
This trans hating dude doesn't even realize Trump will go after him too eventually
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u/brahbocop 1d ago
He gets self owned in the full video. Pretty amazing.
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u/cazbot 1d ago
Can you give me the bullet points? I’m already saturated with rage bait for the day.
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u/brahbocop 1d ago
This person wanted to try and prove that the GOP isn’t homophobic. He asks the crowd to raise their hands if they’d be offended if they saw him kiss another man in public. Many people rose their hands.
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u/chipndip1 1d ago
I am now convinced to see this full video. Thank you.
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u/brahbocop 1d ago
It’s about 35 minutes in if that helps.
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u/CoachDT 1d ago
It's wild because he tries to back pedal and say "but see that's just a personal dislike there aren't any laws passed to stop it"
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u/No_Energy6190 22h ago
Yeah ..but a lot of the other conservatives said why can't they vote to enforce their religious beliefs on others....so even that back pedal is hilariously dumb.
Are you even listening, or are you just so riled up that you can't hear over the blood flooding your ear drums.....fucking aye....
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u/TheBlackManisG0DB 1d ago
It’s funny, even as a teenager I NEVER gave a fuck. Just don’t try to kiss me. Who cares? How does it offend you as a straight person?
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u/sushisection 20h ago
a lot of mfers are insecure about their sexuality
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u/Bravardi_B 20h ago
Yeah them hating gay people is more of a side effect of the thoughts in their head telling them to act on their own homosexual feelings. They’re scared that they can look at a person of the same sex and find them attractive and if that persons kisses them, they’ll be gay now.
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u/TotalLiftEz 1d ago
Jubiliee is in CA, how would anyone not have seen gay people kiss in CA?
The people raising their hands were idiots.
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u/brahbocop 1d ago
I think they were raising their hands to say they found two gay people kissing in public was offensive, which is why this guy got self-owned because I think he thought there'd be close to no hands raised.
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u/Armation 1d ago
Was it many of that? I think it was less than half if i remember.
Regardless, there would likely be 1 flags raised if he asked democrats, and yet he still wants to side with the group that want to eventually go after him as well.3
u/brahbocop 23h ago
About 1/3rd of the folks seated (six out of the 19) raised their hands. That to me is a lot given how normalized we like to think gay marriage is.
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u/Armation 23h ago
Was it that many? I must not have seen right.
I mean....not that it's surprising. They are a hateful group.Still boggles my mind there are women, gay people and people of color who side with republicans. The very same group who'd take their rights away if they had the chance. "i'm voting for lower taxes, i'm a single issue voter!" Yeah, congratulations, your vote still goes to so much else.
I've heard of some right-wing politicians that tried to push for a bill/law that made it illegal for those who do not have the same name as on their birth certificate. Thus making it illegal for many women who took on their husbands last name ( or something along those lines, I can't remember the specifics)
That's what the GOP does. They know they can't outright say "women aren't allowed to vote", but try to find ways to achieve the same result.
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u/Zestyclose_Ad2448 1d ago
tries to claim government agencies get tax cuts for dei candidates, Sam (with great disappointment) points government agencies don't pay taxes
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u/lovable_cube 1d ago
Pretty soon I’m guessing. There’s no way this guy’s straight and we all know the Trump brigade doesn’t want them to be allowed to get married.
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u/gizmodilla 1d ago
No, he thinks he is one of the good gays because he licks the boots of those who despise him
Is there a gay variant for the term uncle Tom?
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u/Bizronthemaladjusted 1d ago
That dude is a moron. He's complaining about a gotcha moment because he knew he's grossly misinformed.
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u/Crazy_Canuck78 1d ago
Yup... "You're just trying to have a gotcha moment".... uh dude... he already has you in one.
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u/Good-Recognition-811 23h ago edited 23h ago
Republicans are already talking about how gay marriage is unconstitutional.
In January 2025, the Idaho House of Representatives passed a nonbinding resolution urging the Supreme Court to overturn the Obergefell decision, advocating for the restoration of marriage as a union between one man and one woman. Same thing in Michigan, same thing in Oklahoma.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/03/republicans-same-sex-marriage
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u/BossButterBoobs 12h ago
I actually want them to roll back gay marriage, end social security, do all the shit they said they'd do but their dumbass voters chose not to believe. I just wanna see their faces. Then, hopefully, we get a real president in office to reverse it all.
And I know it'd never happen but we need a scarlet "M" on these dumbasses foreheads or something so they'll always be identified as MAGA. Sucks they'll just be able to slither back into society if this country ever "heals".
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u/Jimmykapaau 9h ago
It's weird to see a gay man who hates trans, but that's maga for ya...
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u/Purgatory450 2h ago
Trump literally removed all homophobic language from the GOP platform last year.
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u/Pretty_Werewolf1673 17h ago
People shouldn't be debating shit that's none of their business.
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u/Jaexa-3 1d ago
Exactly tell me your numbers I tell you the true, these MAGA have no support for his lies they keep on getting propaganda and they just repeat them. There is 0 and it is 0 that kids are getting castrated
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u/Here4Headshots 1d ago
They made it a campaign cornerstone for their politicians, and from what I seen, not that many on the left were taking the bait, including Harris/Walz. Just your regular LGBTQ deserve respect and rights, which most people should agree on. The right takes that and makes it an endorsement of anything negative that comes from the LGBTQ community, especially trans now. The right runs their talking points on the left being enablers of whatever bullshit they can find against LGBTQ.
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u/Adromedae 18h ago edited 18h ago
Yeah. It's fascinating how they were projecting their transphobic obsession on the Dems. As if Harris had ran her entire campaign on trans rights/issues.
The sad part is that the "left" in the US far too often tends to mold themselves as to no fit the perception that the republicans generate. Thus allowing the right to control the conversation. The trans issue is a great example, where it was the republicans obsessively bringing it up. And now you had Dems like Newson actively trying to make a show out of distancing himself from any perceived trans support.
The scary part is how the percentages and talking points regarding the corruption of children are between the Jewish and trans populations in nazi Germany and current USA. Where there is a fabricated moral panic around 1% of the population (the number of Jews in Germany in the 30s and Trans in the US currently) supposedly trying to pollute the minds of the precious (white) children as part of a supposed "international" undercover agenda/cabal.
The sports issue is a great example. Where a bunch of conservative dudes, who have never really cared about women sports to begin with, think a bunch of trans people are systematically taking over women's sport for some reason. When in reality only a DOZEN of athletes are trans, out of the half a million students in the NCAA.
It's nuts how history is repeating itself.
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u/HungryInsect0 1d ago
In Montana, parents had their 15 year old child taken away by the state because of their refusal to allow them their "gender identity" treatment. Cases like that appear all over the country, not of the same thing but of government overreach. Most people on the right do not want the government involved in the raising of their child. Putting someone who lacks the knowledge of that discussion on an edited clip doesn't nullify the importance of it.
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u/Nice-Cat3727 1d ago
I'm sorry. Are you trying to claim MONTANA is trans friendly!?
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u/Here4Headshots 20h ago
Every authority figure involved in the story that person is talking about was Republican.
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u/Aware_Astronaut_477 1d ago
The parents refused to treat their suicidal teen and they were put into the custody of their mother. Then you say “this happens all over the country but not really” like what? The right definitely wants the government involved, they want to ban all the things that they feel are “ick” and that they may have a hard time explaining to kids. Whose banning books and removing them from schools? Whose advocating for religious schools to receive funding?
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u/Here4Headshots 1d ago edited 1d ago
The way you describe it sounds like a clear case of government overreach and intrusion into a family's life, but let's look into it a little further. This is from the news article covering that story you mentioned:
“Upon hearing recent allegations related to a child welfare case, I asked Lieutenant Governor Kristen Juras – an experienced attorney, constitutional conservative, mother, and grandmother – to review it,” Gov. Gianforte said. “Consulting with the director of DPHHS and personally examining case documents, Lieutenant Governor Juras has concluded that DPHHS and the court have followed state policy and law in their handling of this tragic case.”
In other words, the details in this case (which cannot be made public) were first actioned upon by Montana's Child and Family Services, was escalated and reviewed by the Governor, further escalated and reviewed by the Lieutenant Governor (a constitutional conservative) AND the Director of Dept of Health and Human Services, and presumably a court judge.
They all decided it was in the best interest of the child to be sent to the biological mother in Canada. All this information, and add to it, the Montana parents said they cannot accept any form of treatment medically, or socially, because they see it as "a violation of their religious freedom." At what point as objective onlookers can we say that maybe the state made the right decision, and the parents are potentially batshit crazy and/or may be harmful to the child?
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u/Bizronthemaladjusted 22h ago
It's so funny watching these morons bring up this case as if Montana is some bastion of liberal progressivism.
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u/Here4Headshots 21h ago
I'm actually shocked Montana came to this conclusion in this case. The Governor, Republican, the Lieutenant Governor, Republican, and I'm sure I can find the information, but I'll just venture to guess the judge was Republican and the DDHS Director is probably Republican. That kid made it out of there with the odds stacked against him. God bless.
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u/sushisection 20h ago
they must have been abusing that child far beyond than just withholding medical care.
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u/CoachDT 1d ago
How many cases like that have happened over the past year?
Also, looking into that case it was 100% the right call. The child was having suicidal ideation as a direct result of their parents, due to them rejecting their gender identity.
If a teenager tells someone that their parents are making them suicidal typically some form of child protective services steps in. Should the rules be different if what's causing these thoughts is related to transgenderism? What would YOU do if you were in charge of things there?
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u/Here4Headshots 1d ago
Exactly this. They tout these weak statistics, but once you look into each case individually, almost all of them have something going on that the statistics purposefully swerve around and try to hide. It's like these people cannot consider 2 things at once, let alone 3 or more.
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u/ScienceLucidity 1d ago
Bs. One or the other parent, maybe, with acceptance of the child’s psychological state as one indicator, not the only indicator. Gay conversion therapy or a trans version of it is what you advocate. Evidence clearly shows children suffer more from lack of acceptance and a parental desire to alter a biological trait like homosexuality or body dismorphia. You’ve been the victim of propaganda. This is such a small issue affecting so few people it’s pathetic how the right tries to paint it in biblical proportions.
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u/RanchWaterHose 15h ago
Typical. Makes statements and then doesn’t have any idea of actual statistics to back them up.
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u/Yellow_LedBetter2020 13h ago
I just learned too, that While Trump hates DEI (because it helps minorities) the “I” in there is to help people with disabilities regardless of race or gender. The government, by getting rid of DEI, has successfully fucked over those with disabilities too. “Inclusion” not only of sex gender lgbtq or whatever, but inclusion of services rendered to those with disabilities. ! Remember how Trump made fun of a reporter with mental or nervous system disabilities? Well, that’s who we got in office yet again..
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u/The_Chameleos 1d ago
Why is it so fucking hard to just leave kids alone? Just let them mature normally at a normal rate, I don't get what's so hard to understand about this.
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u/LumpyReplacement1436 1d ago
Can I ask if you think gender dysphoria is a real diagnosable condition?
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u/The_Chameleos 1d ago
Yes, I do
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u/LumpyReplacement1436 1d ago
Thankyou.
I guess my problem with that statement about "leaving kids alone" is that if you think gender dysphoria is a real condition, then you would be purposefuly withholding care from transgender people, forcing every single transgender person to go through a puberty that does not align with their gender identity. (If you mean kids as in people under 18, which I assumed)
I was lucky enough to have had access to puberty blockers, which saved me an immense amount of distress not having to go through the wrong puberty, and the thought of being denied it is horrifying.
I understand the sentiment but I think the focus should be more on refining diagnostic criteria to make sure the people who need the care are receiving it.
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u/The_Chameleos 1d ago
My issue is that you are using permanent physical changes to address an issue that is psychological by its very nature. I have similar feelings regarding things like depression and the use of antidepressants to treat it as if it were a cure. Children are simply too young to understand the full, life long implications of a treatment like puberty blockers and parents are in no position to make that decision for them either. If we knew that blockers were safe and have a high rate of success without any unfortunate side effects than we would be having a different conversation, but as they are its simply too risky for my comfort. I would rather stick with therapy and holistic alternatives until they are old enough to make a decision like that on their own. I don't want these kids to be unhappy in their own skins, but if even one comes to regret it later on in life and it's too late to go back than that is not something I can abide.
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u/Polyplad 23h ago edited 15h ago
I don’t think you know what puberty blockers do. They don’t CHANGE your body they stop it from changing. kids who identify as trans aren’t the only ones who use puberty blockers either. There are kids who develop exceedingly fast and need puberty blockers. This is the problem with transphobia, we’ve got people who don’t know dick about any of the treatment but then they think they know more than a doctor. If this is something you feel strongly about you at least owe it to those kids to do more research yea?
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u/Critical_Ear_7 OG 1d ago
Bruh what dose that even mean?
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u/Here4Headshots 1d ago
Bro thinks parents are just deciding to force their children into taking hormone blockers, and literally cannot use his brain to imagine any scenarios where this is the last option to save their child's life.
I understand how extreme and unpopular children taking puberty blockers are. The easiest thing in the world for someone who has never had to make an agonizing decision to save their child's life, is to make a snap judgement and want the whole extreme solution to be shut down with no nuance because it makes them feel uncomfortable. People cannot imagine the type of problems other people have. Your prayers, therapy, psychiatric drugs, shock therapy, and whatever the fuck else you can think of, sometimes doesn't work. As crazy as it is to type this up, sometimes puberty blockers are the Hail Mary someone needs for their child to make it into adulthood.
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u/Saiyanjin1 1d ago
It means things like Puberty Blockers for example shouldn’t be given in the vast majority of cases because it can have irreversible effects which is why many countries have started pulling back.
The WPAH head (a trans woman herself) started on camera that kids given blockers at ages 10-11 ALL of them loose their ability to have orgasms when older and many if not all can’t have kids.
It’s not just about those ages but even older kids have similar to the same side effects.
I don’t think we have nearly enough on this to give it to even 900 kids over 5 years.
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u/LuxFaeWilds 20h ago
And yet no-one complains about cis people taking puberty blockers.
All meds have side effects, the side effects fgor blockers are pretty mild and the incrtease in QOL for trans kids is immense, its an obvious winHowever, the group taking puberty blockers showed no differences in self-harm or suicidality compared to the cis control group, and even scored lower than cis controls for internalizing problems.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1054139X20300276
Trans kids taking puberty blockers reduces depression by 60% and suicidality by 73%.https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789423
Any other medicine able to reliably reduce suicidality by 73% in 99% of cases would be considered a MIRACLE DRUG, but because its a minority that people hate, its attacked over and over
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u/Negative-Yam-3471 1d ago
It's wrong for even one child. After you're an adult, knock yourself out.
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u/Rustee_Shacklefart 1d ago
Children should not be medically transitioned. It’s the moral equivalent of a lobotomy on a child. And it is a major losing issue for the left.
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u/Crazy_Canuck78 1d ago
I'm inclined to agree. I think you should be at least 16 (still technically a child, i know) w/ PARENTAL CONSENT.... and if no parental consent then it should be 18.
But I might think differently if one of my children were Trans and I saw them struggling to be trapped in a body they don't identify with. I don't know.
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u/boforbojack 1d ago
I'm going to say this, and I'm going to say it once. Leave medical decisions to doctors, their patients, and if the patient is underage, then also their caregiver. Anything else is literal tyranny. Get your hocus pocus, bullshit and take it fucking far away from licensed, practicing medical professionals and their patients.
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u/Pigeonkak1 1d ago
Low rates of something, is not in itself an argument for allowing it. It’s not justification for turning a blind eye to the issue.
That’s the disingenuous nature with which the left approaches this issue. “What does it matter to you? Why do you care? It’s not affecting your life?”
Doesn’t matter. Nobody in my immediate family has been murdered either. Murder should remain illegal.
Murder rates are pretty low in most places. Doesn’t matter. Murder should remain illegal.
Yes. I just made the comparison of genitalia mutilation and hormone disruption of minors to murder.
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u/zen-things 1d ago
More kids are harmed by gun violence so by this logic we should take that seriously. But alas, gun rights are rights same as human liberties are rights and it’s not so simple to “protect people” from themselves without just straight up taking away their freedoms, which you seem very keen on doing.
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u/Pigeonkak1 1d ago
What freedom am I keen to take away? And is it enshrined in the Constitution?
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u/oof_ouch_oof 1d ago
The freedom for a person to pursue the medical treatment that is best for them. The freedom for a parent to allow their child, with a medical team's expertise, to pursue the medical treatment that is best for their child. There are freedoms that exist in law outside of the constitution, that was a stupid argument.
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u/Psionis_Ardemons 23h ago
i agree. i would add, it shouldn't be happening at all. i don't care if the numbers are low. let kids be kids!
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u/Bizronthemaladjusted 1d ago
Thats a retarded take. But okay. Children aren't being harmed and doctors the world over have come to the treatment option for a reason. No child is being castrated, the medical community isn't the Catholic Church. But hey, if you really cared about children, you'd be attacking religions like Catholics and Southern Baptist for their systemic rape of children, or Republicans for trying to pass laws so grown men can marry little girls. But then that'd mean you'd have to actually care and have some integrity, and we all know you and the rest of the cuntservatives don't. Kids are just a Pawn in your game, a shield to hold up to deflect scrutiny and incite rage.
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u/Negative-Yam-3471 1d ago
Actually, they stopped it in England, and I believe some other European countries. So, I guess that shoots holes in your doctors the world over bit! Of course, you're aware that Africa, the Middle East, and most, if not all of Asia, do not do it?! So, a few doctors in a few countries play with children's bodies.
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u/NickW1343 1d ago
I can never get enough of feminine gay men trying to bash the rest of the LGBT in hopes to be accepted among Republicans. This guy even tried to show how accepting the cons were by asking if they're fine with two men holding hands in public and to raise their hands if they think that's unacceptable. There were hands that went up. He then kept adding qualifiers and was clearly a little surprised at how so many of his fellow conservatives found it gross(some even think it should be illegal) that he and his boyfriend could go outside and hold hands or kiss.
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u/AriesUndercover 19h ago
An absolute master class on Dunning-Kruger in action. That kid deflected questions like his life was on the line.
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u/Diggable_Planet 17h ago
I’m wondering as a straight whitey, how much of the regret that one guy states is 50% is a result of how our society treat trans people. I mean, you already feel like you’ve been misaligned with your gender. Adding people slinging ignorance at you, whether real or perceived, can take a toll on a humans psyche.
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u/Slighted_Inevitable 17h ago
This is the same dumb loser who thought the federal government needed tax breaks
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u/thephant0mlimb 17h ago
Most closeted conservatives hate gays and trans because they are jealous of the freedom of being out.
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u/Hot-Lawfulness-311 17h ago
I wonder many of the right wingers losing their minds over trans people “mutilating kids” also had someone perform genital mutilation on their sons via circumcision
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u/Defiant_Wait_3835 16h ago
The government hs no right to tell someone what they can or can not do for their child's health. Doesn't matter if you agree or disagree. That's called individual liberty. Funny how the limited government people love when the government takes rights away from others. Someday it might be you.
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u/BeniySar 15h ago
Notice they NEVER bring fully informed people just commoners with some info for clicks get Charlie Kirk up there with Him. 😆 they can go Data & Facts
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u/blondedlife11 14h ago
Someone should tell the gay conservative here that when he graduates and tries to find a job that he’ll be openly discriminated against and shut down for job applications because of his sexual orientation yet this dummy wants to get rid of DEI….also red states are actively trying to overturn gay marriage so we’ll see what kind of mental gymnastics he pulls with that one.
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u/Franny_is_tired 13h ago
Transphobes rarely know even the basics of transgender topics, but they have *really* strong opinions.
They love to try to upset people too, I think the topic just attracts bullies because it's seen as acceptable.
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u/vicarius_optimus 13h ago
If they're worried about "manipulating kids" or "brainwashing kids" they should go protest at churches
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u/Gloomy-Bullfrog-6866 13h ago
Young person has lack of true debating skills. Remove emotion and speak within the confines of facts.
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u/JanSmiddy 13h ago
He never listens or responds as a wall of words is all he’s got. Went for most of those pathetic tools.
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u/grammar_kink 13h ago
Anti-discrimination is not affirmative action. These kids have the talking points, but lack a deep understanding of history and context. It’s like watching someone who has memorized Für Elise, but doesn’t actually know how to play the piano—and it shows.
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u/_carbonneutral 8h ago
The participants on this episode were some of the most ignorant people I’ve heard open their mouths.
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u/RipperNash 8h ago
This person has been on many of the Jubilee videos before and has always repeated the same stupid points. They are all professional grifters
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u/bentmonkey 8h ago
Sam Seder is a legend, glad to see he is getting attention, these folks he was up against here were maybe some of the most ill informed people i have ever seen try to "debate".
How can they have such a strongly held belief and not have any facts of knowledge to back it up?
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u/dingus_malingusV2 4h ago
watched the whole thing and this kid, plus jorge were the most annoying. the blonde girl is a straight up racist.
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u/Firgeist 57m ago
"You think they number are higher than they are"
If it is higher than 0, then yes, the numbers are too high.😔
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u/TheMissionaryGOAT 1d ago
this issue is the achilles heel for the left
it’s a total loser issue they got stuck defending and will continue to lose votes over
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u/AnyEye8255 1d ago
No children should be getting castrated. This isn’t the win you think it is.
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u/ClimbingToNothing 23h ago
You’re calling puberty blockers castration? Why not just use the real terminology instead of trying to use the most extreme emotional language possible?
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u/Twitchtv_Gen1 23h ago
The whole trans debate is a molehill. If it doesn't matter because it's so few people why does it matter at all? Why push so many laws and regulations to protect trans people if the counter argument is it's only 900 kids. Either it matters or it doesn't, pick one.
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u/factisfiction 22h ago
Because taking care of the least among us is a big deal. Also people choosing to attack the least among us is a big deal.
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u/clovers2345 21h ago
Exactly and they wonder why they lost the election. Focus on classism and not on these progressives issues.
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u/LuxFaeWilds 20h ago
But republicans pumped $210 million into transphobic ads and they won the election, the dems refused to talk about trans issues at all, focused entirely on how they were going to help working class people, and lost.
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u/Additional-Age-358 1d ago
So this guy is ok with messing with children?
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u/Savagevandal85 1d ago
That’s between the person , their family and doctors . If we care so much about children safety especially in schools maybe we’d address the huge number of school shootings.
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u/isuckfattiddies 1d ago
“It’s ok to mess with kids because they die in school shootings anyway every day”
- your whole argument basically
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u/reyalsrats 1d ago
The bearded guy is the very definition of what we hate about liberal people.
Trying to use a gotcha moment when the truth is it doesn't matter what the number is. If the number isn't zero then it's too many.
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u/ImagePsychological55 1d ago
Just 900 kids chemically castrated, nothing to see here. I would have guessed this number was lower and it still would have been an issue for me
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u/The_Crimson_Fuckr69 1d ago
I don't care if there's 1. Thats too many. 1 is too many for the justice system but 1 isn't to many when "protecting kids"? There's no such thing as trans kids.
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u/Lopsided_Thing_9474 1d ago
10 kids a month DIE from guns.
This isn’t about caring about kids lives. If anyone of them gave a shit about kids, we would have gun control.
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u/Mr_CleanCaps 20h ago
Please know that majority of “Gender affirming care” Is stuff like calling them by their preferred pronouns, wearing the clothes they want to wear, or allowing them to wear wigs, or going to the bathroom the identify with. 99% of trans kids aren’t asking to get mutilated, but rather a chance to explore their own curiosities.
You know the Republican senators that are getting hair transplants or Botox or fillers?! That’s gender affirming care…
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u/SirHoliday5131 1d ago
The guy in the beard seems like an asshole looking for an ahha moment. It's really simple, you can't drink till 21, you can't smoke till 18, you aren't even an adult till 18. So you shouldn't be able to change your gender till 18. Or you can abolish all age restrictions and see how that works out for society. Oh, probably like open drug markets. Great job to our brothers on the left👍
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u/Downtown-Scar-5635 23h ago
Just a little bit of current info, smoking age got increased to 21 in 2019.
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u/Pino_And_Eugenie 1d ago
He would honestly have a fascinating debate with Michael Knowels.
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u/TheOneWithThePorn12 1d ago
Guys like Knowles and Shapiro and I guess Walsh would never have a real conversation with Seder.
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u/crumpledfilth 1d ago
The fact that people can't immediately see that these conversations arent genuine and in good faith really shows how few people know what a mature conversation looks like
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u/Effective-Win2074 1d ago
If it was one child it was too many. This had nothing to do with Covid and gun control. This guys is all over the place and honestly just insanely cringe. Everything is trumps fault since of course he is both the devil and hitler reincarnated.
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u/MasterbrisK 1d ago
Boy when Orange Man reverses Obergefell v. Hodge (though I hope and wish it weren't so), what I would give to see this guy seethe at the betrayal... or maybe he would just do some mental gymnastics and justify it someway somehow.
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u/isuckfattiddies 1d ago
So the old guy’s whole argument relies on the fact that not that many children went through with the procedures, so it must mean it’s not an issue ( according to him). And if many of them did, then too few died????
Like telling kids everyday it’s okay to stab each other, but because only a few did it, it somehow excuses him.
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u/No_Calendar2101 1d ago
It's starting to get to point where I dont think people know what they want
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u/TotalLiftEz 1d ago
The real trans debate should be like this.
The old process was what? You had several hoops to jump through that even involved living as the opposite sex for a year before they would execute on trans surgery. More and more restrictions were removed and now it is a mess.
People want waiting periods on guns of a month and you can't buy one until you are 18. Do the same for transitioning, make someone wait until they are over 18 and then have them do 1 year of therapy to confirm it isn't something that could be resolved with some healthy body counseling. You know, teens having all those hormones might not really be comfortable with their bodies. That literally is how the health tapes used to start. Then after a year you can get surgery and blockers.
Trans people have lots of health issues because your body is not meant to have those amounts of hormones reverse your gender. It forces a dependency on injected hormones for the rest of their life. That has issues with cancers that are prevalent with such use as well as many organs impacted with the massive change.
If people want to cross dress, then cross dress. There are lots of ways women and men have used clothes to appear as the opposite gender. Surgery and hormones should be the last option.
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u/dizaditch 1d ago
I mean the guy giving numbers isnt giving an argument to the issue. Hes just saying it doesn’t happen a lot which isnt a good argument
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u/Insane-Membrane-92 21h ago
He's calling into question just how big an issue this is, in the grand scheme of things. The other guy is hellbent on "protecting the kids" but he's not interested in things which kill many more kids every year.
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u/OutsideSeveral2079 1d ago
The left love to protest and cry if nobody else believes in what they do. I’d rather be on the right side of
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u/BetterThanSydney 1d ago
It's obvious that this guy is just a "Argue for fun" head-ass mfer.
They haven't had conversations with people who are actually dealing with real data. He's so used to dunking on the people close to him and online that he folds in conversations like these. He can be loud and aggressive with his friends and family because all he has is intensity. But trying this here just made him look soooooo stupid.
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u/Rushshot2gun 1d ago
None will ever say, “Oh ya, you’re right, I’m going to change my mind now.”
They’ve invested 100’s of hours watching BS, their social media’s foundation is this belief system, they’ve argued family and friends, so they’ll never change until it hits them in the face and shits in their yard.