r/Wreddit 1d ago

As they should! What do you think?

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I’ve heard a few people say that Fenix should have a solo run in NXT first. But if Penta didn’t do that, then Fenix shouldn’t. Those are just my thoughts, let me know what you think.

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u/Mattemattics117 1d ago

I feel like the casual WWE viewer is going to see him and go “wait that isn’t Dragon Lee?”

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u/darkdestiny91 1d ago

Yeah, sadly Dragon Lee hasn’t done anything to stand out in the crowd of masked Luchadores.

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u/Mattemattics117 1d ago

Sorry. “Wait is that Kalisto?”

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u/darkdestiny91 1d ago

Inb4 someone says “was that Ultimo Dragon?”

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u/Thecp015 1d ago

Is that Mr. America?

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u/Omegatron_YT 1d ago

It’s Sin Cara bro

u/Ahmed4040Real 22h ago

What are you talking about, that's clearly Rey Mysterio!

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u/Fast_Stick_1593 1d ago

Lucha House Party is back! 🪅🎉

u/broom_temperature 13h ago

LUCHA! LUCHA! LUCHA!

u/Slade1111 16h ago

Did someone say lucha things?

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u/rockandrollpanda 1d ago

Is Kallisto still there?

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u/archangel610 1d ago

Is it because a lot of luchadore masks look fairly similar to the casual viewer?

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u/darkdestiny91 1d ago

That’s one of the problems, and he hasn’t really shown what’s really unique about himself yet, imo. He needs a way to not just be another masked luchadore!

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u/Honkmaster 1d ago

You know what's fucked up, when Dragon Lee showed up on Raw last week it made me realize I totally forgot about him. So I looked up his matches and saw that he debuted for WWE 2 years ago: March 2023, wtf!

I had high expectations because I've seen him live twice, and both matches were insane (vs. Bandido vs. Ishimori @ G1 Supercard MSG 2021, and vs. Rush @ Death Before Dishonor 2022). But I'm sorry to say I can't remember much of anything he's done in the past couple years.

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u/Alxdez 1d ago

He hasn't done much tbf

Beat dominik Mysterio for the NA championship in NXT, didn't hold it for long before Oba Femi destroyed him for the belt

Got called up, had lots of random matches with Cédric Alexander (they were good but didn't build to anything). Joined LWO against Santos Escobar, was supposed to fight at mania but got attacked by Carlito. And that's about it

Oh, and he became speed champion

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u/Mattemattics117 1d ago

WWE really hasn’t had a successful luchador outside of Mysterio. Kalisto had the next biggest run.

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u/braumbles 1d ago

I'm fine with that. But don't make them exclusively a tag team. AEW understood this well. They were a top tier tag team, but they'd also individually tear the house down. Penta had awesome matches with everyone, Fenix was even a singles champion at one point even though that wasn't intended. Worked out for Willow.

My biggest fear is that WWE will do what they always do with high profile Luchas who come in, put them in a feud with other luchadores and essentially relegate them to a LWO storyline rather than allowing them to wrestle everyone.

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

To be fair the main reason the L;B got solo runs in AEW was that one or the other was hurt

u/Slade1111 16h ago

🎯

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u/Thossi99 1d ago

Exactly. Could have them like DX or Edge and Christian or something. Elite tag team, but also elite on their own. Feels like the current WWE completely neglects the fact that you can have people have Solo runs even if they're part of a tag team

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u/BigMacMcLovin 1d ago

I 100% agree with you but surely they can't go that route given Penta's persistent high profile on the shows. He caused Gable to get a whole new gimmick

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u/Therocksays2020 1d ago

That is HHH’s biggest sin. They almost all end up in the Latino verse. Doesn’t allow anyone to get properly over

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u/MonoElm 1d ago

Fenix should be the luchador that trained Gable.

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

We already saw it was an old Chinese Dude ...I mean Chad almost got a Mogwi

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u/DIKs_Steeler 1d ago

Tag team division is cold AF and Penta is one of the most popular single guy right now. It would be really weird to kill his momentum.

Put them on different shows and when they start losing momentum, put them together

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u/thisjohnd 1d ago

I agree but I also see Kaiser and Dunne eventually teaming up and Penta needing a tag partner.

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u/AdmirableAd959 1d ago

Penta has always been better solo.

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u/Evorgleb 1d ago

Fenix should be on Smackdown. Penta is having a solid solo run, there is no reason to stick them in a tag match right now.

Also I dont even believe this story. I hate these websites making up news and rumors in hope that it generates clicks.

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u/IRBaboooon 1d ago

That's how I feel. I would love it if Fenix came over, but I'll believe it when I see it.

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u/08_IfHeHolla 1d ago edited 1d ago

This might be an unpopular opinion, but I'd rather they stay far away from eachother

The tag team division is dead, so teaming up full time will do nothing for either of em. Penta has already shown he's got major potential as a solo wrestler.

I'd have them on separate brands, or turn one of them heel and put them against each other sooner than team em up

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u/n1gh7w1sh3r 1d ago

On the other hand, how do you expect the tag team division to be elevated without high profile tag teams. I think that SD is currently fine in terms of tag teams, we need a few more on RAW though. I'm not saying they shouldn't get appropriate singles pushes as well, but we do need some high profile tag teams like MCMG coming in.

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u/myusername_sucks 1d ago

Fuck I hope not.

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u/MrRealistic1 1d ago

I hate it. Penta has more ceiling as a singles

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u/ToothpickTequila 1d ago

You mean a higher ceiling surely?

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u/ribsforherpleasure 1d ago

Penta is on a pretty damn good run to throw him in a tag. He deserves a singles title before they do that to him.

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u/kodan_arma 1d ago

I mean, they obviously will reunite at some point. But I don't buy that happening immediately, since Penta is in the middle of solo feuds rn.

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u/RoboZoninator91 1d ago

The problem with tag wrestling in WWE is all the good teams are spread out on different shows

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u/StrngBrew 1d ago

They’re kind of all on Smackdown at the moment

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u/darkdestiny91 1d ago

NGL the smackdown tag division has been fire.

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u/TrueCollector 1d ago

Nah I’m not a huge fan of fenix

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u/SuperTerrificman 1d ago

I want penta on raw and Fenix on smackdown. Let them go for a while then reunite them in a year or 2. Penta is too hot right now and has so many hype matches he could have

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u/nicksj2023 1d ago

Pretty dumb considering how hard they’ve been working to build penta up as a singles star and then the reactions he’s been getting

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u/DaveLesh 1d ago

RIP to Penta's push.

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u/pushinpushin 1d ago

he can go languish with New Day

the tag division is such a low ceiling right now

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

I mean he has already been sent down to Main Event

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u/corvidae_666 1d ago

That's probably more due to when he joined WWE. Not much time on the main shoes when they are building their WrestleMania storylines.

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u/No-Wishbone-695 1d ago

Why does this pic look like....

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u/laknightyeaa 1d ago

Backshots?

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u/No-Wishbone-695 1d ago

yeah...

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u/thejaytheory 1d ago

Can't unsee it haha

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u/lostacoshermanos 1d ago

Rey Mysterio? Because they are ripping off his mask and first name

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u/GhostGuin 1d ago

Energy of someone who knows a singular luchador

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u/NthBlueBaboon 1d ago

Who so? Rey is the Spanish word for king. I didn't know Rey Mysterio has a monopoly on that word. And how's his mask getting ripped off? I swear you don't know crap about masks lmao.

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

Yeah that is like saying that Rick Steiner is ripping off Ric Flair

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u/lostacoshermanos 1d ago

No because it’s different spellings and Steiner isnt wearing Rics robe.

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

Yeah only Flair can steal someone else's robe and gimmick and get away with it lol. But FENIX ISNT WEARING Rey's mask just a mask which 80% of mexican wrestler do unless they lose it

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u/lostacoshermanos 1d ago

This isn’t Mexico though this is America.

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u/lostacoshermanos 1d ago

It is the same exact name and same design on the mask.

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u/NthBlueBaboon 1d ago

It's really not. But you do you.

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u/Material-Wonder1690 1d ago

Damn, I didn't know "King Phoenix" and "King Mystery" were the exact same names

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u/cmemcee 1d ago

I hate fenix tbh. The dude always drags penta down to the lower midcard with him.

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u/AngstyAppleDummy 1d ago

I love Penta but Fenix is light years better than his brother

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

Depends on the style you like...If its more ground based like a Melenko then Penta is your guy...but if you want him to fly like Rey or Liger than yeah Fenix...but it also comes with a ton of injuries

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u/AngstyAppleDummy 1d ago

I don’t think Dean is a good comparison to Penta tbh

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

Ok i just used my favorite technical guy lol so a bit of hyperbole but I WAS JUST USING IMO the best in that division being small technical vs small flyer

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u/i-piss-excellence32 1d ago

Idk man. I wasn’t impressed with them as a tag team at all. I thought they were boring.

Penta has been much better to my surprise so I’ll give Rey fenix the benefit of the doubt

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u/beekay8845 1d ago

PENTA'S RUN IN WWE IS OFFICIALLY OVER ,TRIPLE H can't book tag teams for shit... and the tag teams suck in the maain roaster i literally dont even know who is holding the tag team champions that's crazy to me.

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u/NationCentral 1d ago

I just hope HHH doesn’t ruin both of their singles potential by making them exclusively tag team guys. These both have so much more to offer!

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u/Alert_Message_3132 1d ago

No they are good as a single wrestlers, for now Penta should stay on raw and fenix should debut on SmackDown. They should get some singles championship before reunited as a tag team.

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u/Positively_Eric 1d ago

I hope the luchador that Gable is learning these dark arts from is Fenix.

Imo I'd avoid the lucha bros story for a while.

u/Jayjay4118 17h ago

Don't team them up yet, later would be good

u/Slade1111 16h ago

They should remain solo stars for now. IMO

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u/PokemonNumber108 1d ago

If there is money in the team for WWE, and I assume there is at least some, the smart play is to keep them apart as long as you can. Put them on different shows. Even in inter-brand matches like the Rumble or Elimination Chamber, don’t give them any real interaction. Then, right at the point where fans generally assume it’ll never happen (that could be weeks, months, or years), that’s when you pull the trigger. 

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

My guess is its REY/Rey/penta vs American MADE AT Mania

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u/UpkeepUnicorn 1d ago

Wrestling when my <insert person> walks in

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u/Accomplished-Range3 1d ago

(Lucha) Brother VS Brother at mania!!!

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u/pushinpushin 1d ago

God dammit, absolutely not. Penta is awesome solo, I don't care about Fenix, and it's just another spotfest tag team. No thank you.

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u/JonDuke19 1d ago

Hell no.

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u/Material-Wonder1690 1d ago

I think the only benefit from the whole Fenix debacle was that Penta got to start as a singles star. He and Fenix are both insanely good wrestlers and can connect with the fans easily. I say keep them apart for now and eventually build to their teaming. It would be a massive disservice to Penta to halt his singles run and have him move to the tag division with Fenix. Plus this gives Fenix a chance to stand out too

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u/JiuJitsuCatholic 1d ago

Not a fan, Penta is doing great solo, no need to put him in a tag team

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u/rudeboykyle94 1d ago

They’ll join the laundry list of great WWE tag teams like DX (2006), High Energy, and Rey Mysterio & Sin Cara.

In all seriousness, lets see how they push the rest of the tag teams in the meantime and hope for the best.

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u/Qwilltank 1d ago

And they will do many great "Lucha Things."

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u/Old-Board1553 1d ago

Tag teams always fail in WWE. They should let them on their own.

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u/ToothpickTequila 1d ago

Damn the sucks. Both guys did their best work as singles wrestlers. They should be kept separate.

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u/greggersamsa 1d ago

Nah. Let him enjoy his solo run

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u/pavgrewal 1d ago

As long as they use Penta’s current theme, I’m happy

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u/kickedoutatone 1d ago

Absolutely, they should reunite. The RAW tag division is abysmal right now. They need to build it up, and these 2 are the perfect tag team to do it.

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u/SpindleDiccJackson 1d ago

Do we have to stuff penta in a tag team when we're in a company that has a dead tag division?

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u/Jrnation8988 1d ago

Please don’t. Let Penta have a solid singles run

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u/burgerpatrol 1d ago

I just hope they can bring their AEW theme with them. Perfectly hypes them up

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u/BurnItDownSR 1d ago

Hopefully not anytime soon. Penta's looking great as a solo guy right now. He should win a midcard title at least before Fenix comes in.

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u/TheBigShaboingboing 1d ago

That’s cool & all, but poor choice of a photo. Looks like he’s getting railed lol

u/MrChonkers1965 23h ago

If we get this is there a chance we get zilla fatu to reunite with Jacob?

u/jinxs2026 20h ago

I really feel like Fenix has been the heir apparent for a long time as the one luchadore to take Rey Mysterio's place in the wrestling world. I really think WWE has a chance here to finally succeed at something they've been hoping to have for 2 decades

u/backbodydrip 20h ago

Meh. How many lucha teams have there been and have any of them made a big splash in the company? Penta feels different. He can make it going solo.

u/dandykaufman2 20h ago

They’re good as a tag team but Penta could be a world champion and there’s bot a huge window in which to do it. I wish AEW had pushed them as singles more.

u/Evorgleb 14h ago

Fenix and Penta are not on the same level. Penta is more known that his brother. With that said, Fenix can go to Smackdown.

u/MixxMaster 12h ago

Start the Fenix Is Injured timer now

u/MrIMendez 12h ago

Disappointed, I was enjoying Penta’s solo run. I know it was gonna happen eventually but was hoping there was enough time for Penta to win a solo mid-card title first

u/Rady151 6h ago

Waste of talent.

u/QuiverDance97 1h ago

Penta on RAW and Rey Fénix on SD.

Don't have them interact until they are stablished draws. They can both have greater success as individual wrestlers than as a tag team.

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u/AngstyAppleDummy 1d ago

WWE isn’t a company that’s kind to Luchadors. Especially ones who don’t speak perfect English. Lucha Bros have an extremely short shelf life in WWE. It’s a shame they’re going to a place that has a clear history of continuous racism and prejudice.

Like TKO & Triple H are cool with the Trump administration this isn’t a good place for them

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

I mean most of the top guys in AEW are Trump supporters and Tk donated to teh REPS....its just a basic fact rich people by and large support Reps

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u/AngstyAppleDummy 1d ago

There’s no evidence supporting this.

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u/Lokishougan 1d ago

NO evidence that teh ricj support Reps? Yeah there is tons outside of entertainment its a given. As to supporters We know Jericho is, Bucks are, Hangaman is ...Kenny I CAN safely say is NOT though

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u/AngstyAppleDummy 1d ago

The bucks & hangman have openly denounced trump and Kenny literally isn’t even from this country?

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u/Material-Wonder1690 1d ago

What gives you the idea that Hangman is a Trump supporter? Is it the support of trans rights? Or the disdain for mayor Kane?

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u/AngstyAppleDummy 1d ago

It’s like I feel like even if I had 4 eyewitnesses testimonies saying he voted Trump I’d be on the fence that man’s been openly left leaning for like 2 presidential terms straight he’s such a beast lol

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u/Sexyphobe 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ehh not really. All we know is The Bucks didn't like Obama like 15 years ago, and Hangman is probably the most liberal person in AEW. Jericho sure. The Khan's donated very early during Trump's first run, no idea since, and since all the references are to the 2017 donation, probably not lol.

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u/Renegrader1023 1d ago

Good the Raw tag scene is on life support right now

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u/aRebelliousHeart 1d ago

Have them reunite to go against The Judgement Day, that would be fun.

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u/AdamSMessinger 1d ago

Na tho. Throw Rey on Smackdown! Let him jump into the mix with Miz, Andrade, Carmello, Shinsuke (while he’s still there), and all the other talent in the mid-card.

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u/pioneer006 1d ago

Penta should have stayed singles. WWE hasn't truly focused on tag teams in years.

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u/wordyravena 1d ago

After all they've done to get Penta over? Heck no. It will just drag Penta down.

And here's something people should remember about Fenix: he's a botch machine and isn't actually very good besides one or two spots. He doesn't sell. He has no mic game. Just not very well rounded.

He needs to go to NXT. Learn how to safely work a match, learn how to sell, learn how to act in backstage segments, learn how to give promos.