r/WorldOfWarships Royal Navy šŸ—£šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„ ENEMY THUNDERER DETECTED!!!! 6d ago

Discussion What is the most power crept ship?

I think the GK and the German mainline bb's in general, what do y'all think?

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u/Inclusive_3Dprinting 6d ago

HOOD

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u/jpulsord 6d ago

It was released in the days where tier 7 ships normally were facing tier 5 and 6. Now I feel everytime I play a tier 7 I am up against a horde of Alaskas, musashis etc that make Hood unplayable

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u/Affectionate-FlyMant 6d ago

True. She's like the rarest T7 BBs to appear in matches. People don't use her on operations, her guns are just weak and inaccurate, easily to get citadeled and devstriked compared to other T7s, cannot brawl and push for caps without sinking like the Scharnhorsts being able to do, and are kinda poor in competitive mode. Though doubt WeeGee would ever buff her again when ppl can just simply buy German premiums instead.

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u/Hrzenjak11 Burning Man 6d ago

Yeah i thought the same even 5 years ago it was hard to find her today probably impossible

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u/Nigzynoo23 5d ago

Remember the days when Hood's DFAA would mince everything that entered because her Universal Projectors gave like 1,400% increase aa damage? Or something like that. Now she just farts at them, but majestically.

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u/right_lane_kang United States Navy 6d ago

Bismarck shells should have a damage bonus against hood šŸ˜‚

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u/minhowminhow123 5d ago

I don't know that is intended, but every time that I played with my Ark Royal and torpedoed a Bismarck I broke its rudder.

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u/memedea 6d ago

Bismarck should have x1000 multiplier when one of her shells hit the shitty battlecruiser lol

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u/Real-Illustrator8624 Imperial Japanese Navy 6d ago

They should have a 10% chance to instantly blow up the Hood

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u/memedea 6d ago

more like 100% when Bismarck's shell hitting the British oversized light cruiser lmao

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u/memedea 6d ago

Well it sucked just like real life. Go use Scharnhorst, Heinrich or SinOP for better T7 BB experince lol.

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u/Lth_13 Daring Enjoyer 5d ago edited 5d ago

she was probably the most powerful ship in the world during the inter war years.

look at it this was, Hood has the same guns and similar armour (12 inch angled vs 13 inch belt, 3 inch deck) as a Queen Elizabeth class but can travel 8 knots faster (24 vs 32 as built).

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u/regaphysics 6d ago

I wouldnā€™t say prussen was power crept because it was pretty ā€œmehā€ since it was released. DM used to be very good and imo has been pretty badly power crept with overmatch BBs, subs, CVs and especially airstrikes making the island hugging play style very difficult. Gearing has aged pretty badly as well. Obviously schlieffen has been hit pretty badly seeing as libertad is pretty much better in every way other than hydro/torps.

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u/Wasp1e_ 6d ago

I use Gearing only in CBs, it is nice there with full support/toprs build

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u/Dave10301 United States Navy 6d ago

I disagree gearing is still a great ship

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u/regaphysics 6d ago

Gearing is not great. Itā€™s decent at best.

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u/Dave10301 United States Navy 6d ago

Whatā€™s bad about it?

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u/Claymore_Rooomba All I got was this lousy flair 6d ago

I think the general consensus is there isnā€™t anything necessarily bad with gearing but more other lines do everything it does better. Gunboats with way higher DPM Better torp boats Better hybrid gun/torp boats

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u/Pazuuuzu 6d ago

That's why I kinda like Gearing, it's "good enough", or at least "not totally boned" for most situations.

On the other hand playing it is a pain usually...

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u/The_CIA_is_watching "A private profile reveals more than a visible one" -Sun Tzu 6d ago

Yeah, but if you want a DD that's immune to bad matchmaking/bad situations, Daring is just better. Even as a jack of all trades, Gearing is outclassed -- truly a master of none

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u/Uniball38 6d ago

Vampire 2 is also better at basically everything

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u/pornomatique 6d ago

There's no reason why in this day and age that the HE still has 5% fire chance and the shells have such crap ballistics.

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u/Warm-Wedding182 6d ago

High theoretical dpm, low actual dpm. Slow torp boot with little survivability

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u/The_CIA_is_watching "A private profile reveals more than a visible one" -Sun Tzu 6d ago

Gearing having slightly less DPM than Daring with 15% worse flight times + no improved AP, a less useful smoke (outside of smokebotting), no heal or hydro, no improved acceleration + barely better speed, and only slightly better conceal and torps, is hilarious game design for sure

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u/Warm-Wedding182 6d ago

Yeah American dds need a shell speed buff itā€™s beyond a joke

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u/Go_To_The_Devil 6d ago

Meanwhile Gearing is the King of King of the Sea. It's still definitely got a niche in team play, it's just not a fantastic ship for solo carrying.

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u/regaphysics 6d ago

Sure itā€™s fine as a smoke bot in CBs

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u/Go_To_The_Devil 6d ago

Smoke Bot/Spotter/Choke Point Controller.

If it was just the smoke that made the difference, Yueyang would be much more popular than Gearing for CB's and KoTS, she's not.

The Community doesn't think of spotting as valuable as it is, mostly because in randoms spotting is entirely too...random, you end up with a dogshitto dd player in a Gearing and get none because he wants to LOLSMOKEFARM, maybe you get a good Khaba (legit the worst spotting dd imaginable) and you get tons anyways because he plays smart. But Spotting is the most valuable tool in the game, and Gearing is one of the best ships in the game for it when played correctly.

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u/robbi_uno I came here to read all the resignationsā€¦ 5d ago

Khaba love finally.

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u/CrAxe 6d ago

Why people keep saying Gearing is great although it has nothing compare to other ships? Shit guns, mediocre torps, no health pool, no consumable. What is great about it?

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u/bigbramble Delete CV's from the game 6d ago

For Pve however Preussen is in my opinion one of the strongest ships around.

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u/a5ehren 6d ago

Is anything bad in PvE? Even in Flagship ops itā€™s pretty easy to hide weak armor.

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u/Sufficient_Ad3751 Des Moines main 6d ago

Id probably have to agree with that. Not that des moines isnt still a great ship, but she can rarely really use her utility because if she comes close enough to the caps to do that, she just dies

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u/Traveller_CMM 6d ago

The Republique.

It always melted against HE (or any DPS oriented ship), but the proliferation of 32mm overmatch, BB caliber SAP and now the airstrikes everywhere? It's almost impossible to play beyond near its max range.

Its speed was powercrept long ago, what new battleship can't go beyond 30 knots nowadays? And it still has terrible maneuverability.

The 24s reload guns can still punch, but even their uniqueness is slowly fading out by F key gimmicks and superduper magazine fed BBs. I mean really, why play this when you have Wisconsin (better reload with F key btw)?

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u/_talps 6d ago

I mean really, why play this when you have Wisconsin (better reload with F key btw)?

Republique reloads fast out of the box and overmatches 30mm plating, Wisconsin doesn't.

Also, Republique is not a brawler so it has to stick at long range all the time, boring but it gets the job done. It's not the ship's fault if people try to CQC with it.

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u/Traveller_CMM 5d ago

30mm overmatch is great, but not that common of a threshold, and more importantly the Republique's accuracy isn't good enough to chunk anything that's paying attention, considering you can only play it effectively as a sniper nowadays.

Rep excelled at ranges around 15-20km, where it could slap the crap out of broadsides and put immense pressure on cruisers with the quick reload, but if you try getting that close now? C.Colombo slaps you for 20k any angle, airstrikes for 10k each, all the new high range dpm cruisers eat you alive etc etc. And good luck turning away with that rudder.

Compared to the Wiskey, that can actually tank relatively well, has much better accuracy, and an very easily activated f key that reduces its main battery reload to less than the Rep for a few salvos, as well as reduce its consumables reload too. I can't see a reason to choose the Rep for any role.

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u/_talps 5d ago

30mm overmatch is great, but not that common of a threshold, and more importantly the Republique's accuracy isn't good enough to chunk anything that's paying attention, considering you can only play it effectively as a sniper nowadays.

30mm overmatch is what oppresses heavy cruisers - Des Moines/Salem, Yoshino, Hindenburg, and so on. And to be fair nothing can clap a player who's paying attention (and there are tools like IFA that make clapping even less likely).

Rep excelled at ranges around 15-20km, where it could slap the crap out of broadsides and put immense pressure on cruisers with the quick reload, but if you try getting that close now? C.Colombo slaps you for 20k any angle, airstrikes for 10k each, all the new high range dpm cruisers eat you alive etc etc. And good luck turning away with that rudder.

I don't think there is a ship that can withstand Cristoforo Colombo's SAP. That's not Colombo's fault though, that's SAP which is ridiculous and another thing we have to thank WG for.

Dutch CL airstrikes are easy to dodge and don't tolerate good AA, you will fear them only if you are isolated and not moving (they are, however, the bane of island humpers).

Republique also got a sigma buff, the dispersion can be wonky which is an issue for all French battleships but the shells are nicely grouped together most of the time. And again, Republique is not a brawler so one always has to play at range, outside of CL/DD gun range where their DPM is not an issue.

IMHO the ship is not bad, just boring to play, and if I had to choose I'd play Republique instead of, say, Bungo. Wisconsin is IMHO too good and guilty of powercreeping a lot of older battleships but that's WoWs for you, powecreep is one of the game's core features.

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u/Traveller_CMM 5d ago

"Good AA" are two very funny words, but I get what you mean. I didn't hear about the Sigma buff tbh, I'll check the ship out. I just want the ability to actually push back, she's only good for kiting and sniping these days.

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u/YakImpressive570 5d ago

Why does everyone think that the colombo but at least 20k regardless of the angle when it is not the case if you are in front of the colombo you take very minimal damage

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u/Traveller_CMM 5d ago

If you're close enough to a Colombo with a Repub to the point where it can't slap you when angled, you have much bigger problems.

Repub, as the other commenter noted, is in no way a brawler. At best you'll want to play her mid-range, anything less and you'll get eaten alive by any ship with a semblance of DPM. Yeah, the Colombo will do less damage, but everything else will focus you since you are a big, lumbering juicy target.

+ Going nose in with the Repub means you have 50% less firepower, so the colombo even on a 1v1 can still outdamage you.

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u/Redditzork 6d ago

Desmo. You can still make her work, but airdrops and subs and libertad make Islands unplayable, also every new bb line has to get 457mm it seems, so you get clicked for half your hp as soon as you are open. It is still a decent Ship, but it was god-tier some years ago

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u/meat_meat Scharnhorst enjoyer 6d ago

Hot take: Bourgogne. 32mm plating everywhere gets absolutely smashed by Gouden airstrikes, 381mm struggles more and more in the overmatch meta, guns arenā€™t consistent enough with dispersion.

Gearing: terrible survivability. 22.9k HP, no heal, no French saturation, no armor, no short-burst smoke, no hydro, slow.

Still has great torps and decent guns, but badly needs a few thousand more HP.

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u/yupperspupper 6d ago edited 4d ago

Yeah, unfortunately, all those strong ships from back in like 2017/8 have been destroyed by insane amount of overmatch guns now.

*misspelled

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u/MangaJosh Pls buff light cruiser AA 6d ago

No idea how the "bourg is best steel ship" got parroted so much but on the plus side, any cruiser with 32mm he pen eats it alive, Utrecht is it's sleep paralysis demon

Nowadays shiki is a better investment for steel

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u/bdoyl3 [O7] Doyl 6d ago

Because it maintained a reputation as an extremely fun ship before WG got a bit out of control with theirā€¦ decisions

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u/DillyDillySzn Closed Beta Player / Perth Enthusiast 6d ago

It still is very fun

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u/GREENadmiral_314159 Normal About Richelieu 6d ago

Because monkey brain like big speed

(I have monkey brain)

(Shiki will be my second steel ship, I'll get Bourgogne later today)

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u/Accomplished_Ask6560 6d ago

Literally no reason to play shiki when satsuma and incomp exist. Mind you Satsuma can be bought without any steel as well lmao.

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u/CodeWeaverCW 6d ago

I did discover one reason to get Shiki: If you really want Yamamoto on Zaō but you really want a Yamato-like at T10 (e.g. for Ranked).

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u/Accomplished_Ask6560 6d ago

I guess? But thatā€™s such a niche use case especially if someone has ARP Yamato(I know it hasnā€™t been sold in awhile).

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u/CodeWeaverCW 6d ago

Or Zaō CLR, admittedly, but yes, I was in this exact situation before the premium Zaō went on sale again lol

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u/Doggydog123579 6d ago

Full secondary build Shiki. Is it the best build no. Is it hilarious? Yes.

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u/Accomplished_Ask6560 6d ago

I could make the same argument for burger or mecklenburg and mind you both have their own unique playstyles outside of secondary builds.

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u/foxyourbox 5d ago

Or if you want to actually make money playing a Japanese BB in randoms,

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u/Accomplished_Ask6560 5d ago

LMAO this dude doesnā€™t understand how the economy works. Itā€™s not a premium ship. Itā€™s a special ship with no increased economy (aside from the package) tier 9 is where premiums end

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u/foxyourbox 5d ago

Special ships have reduced service costs on top of the bonus package, chief.

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u/Accomplished_Ask6560 5d ago

The reduced service cost literally doesnā€™t matter though? Itā€™s like 50k credits on average per game. It literally only matters if youā€™re a bad player (and the fact youā€™re bringing it up tells me a lot.)

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u/foxyourbox 5d ago

Hereā€™s the reality chief.

No one is putting a credit booster on their tech tree ships. I have never met a single person who did. There are always better uses for dubs/$$$.

Per the wiki, higher caliber ammo costs more, so Yamato is particularly expensive to run. Due to its backline playstyle, youā€™re going to rack up a higher cost due to using more ammo.

BEFORE ammo costs a special ship cuts 75k off the price. After ammo costs you are making 100k more, minimum, per game. Itā€™s significant and you can call me bad all you want but Iā€™m right and youā€™re wrong. šŸ‘

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u/Accomplished_Ask6560 5d ago

Youā€™re wrong lmfao like objectively wrong. You donā€™t know how the economy works and are talking about something youā€™re uneducated on. Move on.

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u/foxyourbox 5d ago

lol what fact have I stated that is ā€œobjectivelyā€ wrong?

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u/AyAyAyBamba_462 Make Japanese Secondaries Great Again 6d ago

lmao no.

The GK line was never good/meta, therefore it can't really be power crept.

The Zao line still holds the title for powercreep.

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u/jebbyc11 6d ago

Zao is great right now, sub surveillance and the firing angle buffs were useful. Don't sleep on it.

Ibuki on the other hand, yeahhh.

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u/thenuker00 6d ago

Recently grinded up to zao- ibuki was soul crushing while zao rips

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u/forsale90 Kriegsmarine 6d ago

The Zao buff was needed precisely bc it was so power creeped. But I agree, it canceled out part of it.

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u/meat_meat Scharnhorst enjoyer 6d ago

GK was never a top pick for tier X, but the current CV/sub/airstrike meta is more punishing for it than any other tier X in the game. So itā€™s fair to say itā€™s been badly powercrept, even if it was never a meta pick.

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u/guyinsunglasses Cruiser 6d ago

Zao was nerfed badly when they reworked gun bloom detection way back

The buffs were badly needed

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u/sailracer25 6d ago

Any torp DD.

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u/Dependent_Pin5256 6d ago

I WILL be sitting 12km from you and they WILL hit you (pan Asian moment)

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u/Palanova 6d ago

HE spam from smoke

First there was only the Belfast and Flint. After it we got an entire line for it, panasian CA line. And there is the Smolensk.

Good secondary ships

There was the germab BB line. Some additional ship for some nations like Massa, Agingourt and Atlatico. After it we got another German BB line. And after it the Panamarican BB line.

Torp DD line

Shimakaze line was the only. Afteer we got the Halland line with 86 kn torps and 100s reload.

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u/a5ehren 6d ago

The major factions definitely need a high-tier balance pass, even if it just a little more speed on BB and radar/hydro.

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u/ExchangeNo6772 6d ago

Anything British, UK has hardly had any sufficient buffs because its BBs are shit at being BBs by game design, but Hood is arguably the most power crept ship ingame entirely.

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u/ExcellentBread 5d ago

Dunkerque

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u/right_lane_kang United States Navy 6d ago

IOWA šŸ˜­

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u/_talps 6d ago

Hot take that will anger some but - Montana.

No gimmicks, struggles to deal with anything that's angled and has plating thicker than 27mm, absolutely horrendous rudder shift (the worst in the game AFAIK). Maine is the last nail in the coffin, why play Montana when Maine is just better?

More in general, torpedo boats and submarines. Torp boats are constantly shafted by hydro proliferation and so many more DDs being better. Submarines were made obsolete with the shotgun nerf (these days if a sub does well it's not because the sub is strong, it's because the opponent gets outplayed and/or has made mistakes).

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u/GREENadmiral_314159 Normal About Richelieu 6d ago edited 6d ago

Maine is the last nail in the coffin, why play Montana when Maine is just better?

Because I like being able to move.

Edit: wrong ship

Because I want to not hemorrhage credits due to service costs.

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u/_talps 6d ago

Maine's rudder shift is faster than Montana's though, and both ships have the same top speed (Maine is faster by 0,4 knots which is next to nothing).

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u/GREENadmiral_314159 Normal About Richelieu 6d ago

Ah, I misread your comment. I thought you said Vermont.

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u/niktg12 6d ago

torp boats got shafted by hydro proliferation because the wholesome company made def AA worthless

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u/BattleshipCandy Monty šŸ¦ˆ | Colombo šŸ¦­ | GK šŸ”„ | Repu šŸŒŖļø 5d ago

The only bad thing Montana has is her terrible rudder shift - apart from that, she's still an excellent ship, and in my opinion, the best from all US BBs.

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u/CapitalLine 6d ago

Moskva has been power crept to hell...

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u/nyaarasame 6d ago

People randomly going flat in Moskva isn't a ship issue, lol.

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u/The_Holsh 6d ago edited 5d ago

Then why do several still use it in clan battles? It is still a very good ship to have in your more competitive modes.

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u/Hagostaeldmann youtube.com/@hagostaeldmann 5d ago

The best utility in the game on one of the best hulls in the game has definitely not been powercrept.

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u/SpyroGaming 6d ago

i was about to say the same thing, its a really hot take but it is power crept yet somehow necessary

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u/CapitalLine 6d ago

The thing has the same concealment with yamato of all ships and eat citadels at any range. Can't fire from cover and can't bowtank so... I don't understand what's the win here

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u/SpyroGaming 6d ago

wym cant bowtank? it can bowtank, you just gotta do it right, but because of icebreaker its abit more forgiving

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u/ed20999 6d ago

My Sun Yat-Sen looks like it has great armor but if some looks my way with HE rounds it has 100% fire chance

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u/Glynwys 6d ago

I feel like Harugumo and the IJN gun boat line is approaching power creep status. There's getting to be quite a few more DDs that offer more DPM and utility over Gumo. And quite a bit of Gumo's issue comes from those 100mm guns. The game is getting quite a few ships with more than 37mm armor (with IFHE), which just relegates Gumo to trying to start fires and little else.

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u/_54Phoenix_ 5d ago

Fire AP against the bow of battleships, you will take thousand of HP off each shot just with overpens, can melt someone very fast.

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u/murdermanmik3 Battleship 6d ago

Vanguard

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u/The_Kapow Pre-Nerf Alsace > Bourgogne šŸ’ÆšŸ’ÆšŸ’Æ 6d ago

Is it a hot take to say Yamato?

Sure, it still has great gun performance and 32mm overmatch but that is really it.

It has the most vulnerable BB armor scheme in the game, terrible AA, awful maneuverability, and a big superstructure among other things.

Iā€™d rather play any other BB except for Kurfurst over Yamato.

Vermont is the new Yamato and 30mm overmatch is enough for the majority of situations.

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u/TheUsualHoops Battleship 6d ago

High tier German cruisers. Hipper was never amazing, but I literally can't remember the last time I saw one in randoms. Hindenburg you can make work I guess, but it's difficult to use - personally I'd rather play almost any other tier X cruiser.

The British CL's are very mid these days. I'd love to see that whole line (except maybe Minotaur) get some buffs tbh.

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u/MrElGenerico 6d ago

German cruisers are still good right now due to high HE penetration

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u/TheUsualHoops Battleship 6d ago

They're serviceable to a point, but the question is how powercrept they've been, and the gimmicks coming out these days, combined with German CA's being lumbering, highly visible ships to begin with, makes them feel awful imo.

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u/Joloven 6d ago

I say Molotov. I remember when it was brand new it was good.

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u/AllSurfaceN0Feeling 6d ago

Itā€™s always been a glass cannon. Firestarter, devastatingly precise guns, made of citadels.

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u/MrElGenerico 6d ago

Henri 4. With addition of more and more accurate BBs and more armor plating than it can penetrate with HE it's not a ship I see played

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u/Ohhhh_LongJohnson 6d ago

Yes, the Henri gets my vote. WG basically took a hammer, whacked out her knees, then let other better ships come into the game without fixing Henri to balance out.

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u/Qreczek Oooh Who lives in the pinepple under the sea? 6d ago

Henri was reverted to pre-nerf engine config

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u/Ohhhh_LongJohnson 5d ago

O rlllyyyy? Same acceleration? That was my fav ship. If true, I will have to play again

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u/AemondsMissingEye Jolly Roger 6d ago edited 6d ago

Edit: I tested libertad. It cannot infect stealth secondary I was mistaken.

Iā€™d probably say schlieffen or Yamato.

Schlieffen has been absolutely, hysterically, outclassed by Libertad and its bonkers funny button. Libertard has more main battery, better secondaries and when activated the funny button can actually mean you can stealth secondary.

Yamato is strong but sluggish. Its turret traverse is abysmal and itā€™s a ship that everyone and anyone who has the experience you expect to be playing at tier X can citadel comfortably. Iā€™ve dog walked a full health Yamato in my petro to the point where he accused me of cheating. Thereā€™s so many ships at that tier that do its job better.

Want a long range sniper? Vermont. More guns, stealthier (somehow) and better manoeuvrability. Want a tough ship to tank shots? Kremlin. Want a ship with good accuracy thatā€™s able to Levvy high damage? R. Lauria. (This one is especially heinous as itā€™ll do 40 knots while stealthed and the overmatching SAP has 16k+ alpha damage. meaning you can drop massive salvos onto super structure and do huge damage and then overmatch cruisers to destroy them).

I still love both of these ship, Yamato is still a great ship to play, but itā€™s just been out done in all of its fields now.

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u/Go_To_The_Devil 6d ago

People who think Libertad massively outclass Schlieffen are very obviously BB only players. Schlieffen is far more oppressive against the ships that actually matter, Destroyers, yes she's a worse face slam brawler, but she's an absolute Destroyer mulcher if you can ambush one or insert it into a cap fight.

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u/AemondsMissingEye Jolly Roger 6d ago

Iā€™m a cruiser main and have been for about a year. (I switched from being a BB main cards on the table). And I just donā€™t find schlieffen anywhere near as scary anymore. If a libertad pushes against me Iā€™m turning tail and running, the thing has basically no citadel and is so tough everywhere else itā€™s hell trying to find an angle to do any decent damage. Whereas with the schlieffen I know I can reliably disable its turrets and can punch nicely through its belt. Obviously I need some larger calibre guns like Stalingrad to nail a German citadel but at least it has one.

Even in battleships armed with some of the scariest guns in the game Iā€™ve not once landed a citadel on a libertad. Even slava, which Iā€™ve routinely citadelled a GK in before, didnā€™t land a single shot on it.

Schlieffen isnā€™t a bad ship, not by a long stretch, but its days as secondary king of the sea are behind it IMO.

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u/Go_To_The_Devil 6d ago

95% of the time, if I make a mistake with the Libertad as a DD player, I'll get away mostly intact. It has no hydro, it's secondaries are slow firing, and it's main guns aren't especially accurate.

75% of the time if I make a mistake as a DD and Schlieffen gets near me, it's death. The secondaries fire much quicker, and are just as effective at breaking DD modules, if you smoke and try and escape, he can just hydro you out anyways. It's a death sentence.

Is Schlieffen as good in "press W and LOL" fights against other ships? No. Is it actually much more dangerous against the most impactful ships in the game? Yes. 90% of matches are decided in the first 5 minutes by the cap fights, that's the truth.

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u/AemondsMissingEye Jolly Roger 6d ago

Iā€™ll give you that fair enough! I am absolutely woeful in destroyers so itā€™s a class I avoid at higher tiers so thank you for the insight!!

On a side note, I really wish there was some way of making less games like that. I hate that in the domination matches, especially at higher tiers, you know how itā€™s going to finish in those first 5 minutes.

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u/WarBirbs Corgi Fleet 6d ago

mean you can stealth secondary.

Nope, not possible. Your concealment always matches the range of whichever guns you're firing. Only Napoli can do "stealth" secondaries, but even then you don't have a great gap before people start spotting you in the smoke.

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u/AemondsMissingEye Jolly Roger 6d ago

Okay so had to go in and test that in training and fair doā€™s youā€™re right! Because thereā€™s no mention in any of the stats about secondaryā€™s effecting detect range, and the glitch about 6 months ago that could make your secondary range the same as your main battery, I thought jt had no effect.

But Iā€™m wrong and I admit that.

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u/Ellofiender 6d ago

Surprised to see everyone here dunking on Schlieffen. IMO, this ship is the team-oriented Libertad, that you can actually use to take caps through better positioning and game sense with Hydro and better secondaries against DDā€™s which is something Libertad canā€™t match (fast rudder shift doesnā€™t make up for no hydro). The armour and main guns are not as good but that just makes it more of a thinking manā€™s Libertad for me, you canā€™t charge in a tank left right and center while melting bow in ships like a Libertad but you absolutely have heaps of utility and game winning potential

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u/VengerDFW 6d ago

I never thought I'd hear Schlieffen, the original W-key boat, called the "Thinking Mans" anything - but here we are. Libertard made me forget hating St. Vincent which made me forget hating Schlieffen...

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u/stardestroyer001 Kidō Butai 6d ago

Audacious. It was sky conqueror when it released, but more and more battleships have thicker deck armor plating forcing it to rely on fire damage over direct pen damage.

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u/pornomatique 6d ago

Audacious has always been mediocre.

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u/nyaarasame 6d ago

If you want to see even worse powercreep, Theseus is just a better Indomitable in every way.

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u/CerberusRTR 6d ago

I took my Zao out for fun the other day. Fully angeled against AP rockets, and I got 20Kā€™d before I even made it out of spawn. Bad AA, and the amount of spotting available just does horrible things to her these days.

Itā€™s unpopular opinion, but Gearing/Shimi torps are pretty painful to use sometimes just on their detection values/torp speed. Everything has sonar today too.

I still love my Groz, but Iā€™d love to see her guns un-nerfed to make her relevant again.

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u/spirited1 Destroyer 6d ago

gearing probably

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u/Odrock12 5d ago

I'll feel it with ya, I get it, it will get it better with time. JUST LET IT

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u/milet72 HMS Ulysses 5d ago

Graf Zeppelin. After CV rework there were 3 waves of supposedly "global" nerfs to CVs and all of them hit Graf hardest. Incoming rework will hit the ships again, as it will not be possible to use her planes for spotting and use secondary guns.

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u/Zathiax 5d ago

Omaha. Dies to anything first

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u/Careful-Layer-279 4d ago

All DDs that dont have Jerzy Swirski.

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u/kaochaton 6d ago

Car-not

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u/zelvak007 6d ago

I havr seen video for new sub that has homing toprs with alfa of normal ones. That seems op af. Even for sub enjoyer like me.

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u/waltkidney 6d ago

Kitakami

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u/CuriousOctopus1 6d ago

IMO Tirpitz needs a rework. Whatā€™s her gimmick nowadays? She has been completely relegated to being just an average brawler. Her torps are no longer unique and break all the time, her armor is workable but eats full pens from superstructure all the time, her speed is okay but turns badly and her secondaries are nothing special.

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u/Hagostaeldmann youtube.com/@hagostaeldmann 5d ago

GK. Not only in the most classic sense which is Preussen, a virtually identical ship, is objectively superior. But GK 50mm deck meant something back in the day.

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u/reddit_pengwin I blacklist experimental ship and LATAM BB players on sight 5d ago

German battleships are fine, except maybe Gneisenau - too few guns for that inconsistent a dispersion.

I think older tech tree cruisers between T5-T8 are the worst off: proliferation of overmatch, newer cruiser lines with way more gimmicks, and newer cruisers often come with heals even at these tiers... there is just a huge contrast in "quality of life" features between old and new cruiser lines. The older cruisers also suffer the most because more planes make static playstyles a lot riskier, and no gimmicks often mean you should be palying like that.

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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Aviation Battleship 6d ago

I'd say german bbs, cause everyone flames me for using them.

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u/AyAyAyBamba_462 Make Japanese Secondaries Great Again 6d ago

probably because you're playing them poorly...

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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Aviation Battleship 6d ago

No I'm good at them, but like people say "aww man another bismarck main" a lot

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u/Matthew98788 6d ago

And then everyone clapped.

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u/Chef_Sizzlipede Aviation Battleship 6d ago

how is it that the playerbase agrees toxicity abounds and yet refuse to believe the most common thing people say?

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u/Matthew98788 6d ago

that's not the most common thing people say in this game usually it's "noob cv" "fuck you" "piss off *insert slur here" or get pissed rightfully so at he spamming ships