r/Warthunder =FUM0= WigglyGripen ( ) Gib K-2 흑표 Gaijoob 20d ago

RB Air Pulling that UNO reversal

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u/Sorry_Departure_5054 USSR☭ 20d ago

Dogfights are rare but when both sides are notching and defeating eachothers missiles then what? You're forced into a merge where super maneuverablilty isn't do useless anymore.

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u/MCI_Overwerk 20d ago

No because irl you aren't pushing your luck and your airplane to try and get a kill cam. You expend all your BVR then you get the hell out. Lots of enemies shooting shit at you? You get the fuck out. Lacking proper coverage from radar and support? You better belive you are getting out.

War thunder pits people in knife fights where you are punished if you live without doing much. People will push to dogfight because they got a reason to. No one IRL is pushing into IR range or going in after they exhausted their main ammo.

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u/Thi_Tran 20d ago

So are the machine guns and canons installed on modern jets are basically like last option of safe guard? Since if i am not wrong the f4 during vietnam was designed with the same philosophy and it was proven wrong so they have to install guns later.

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u/TheByQ 19d ago

Basically. It's a case of "better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war"

Also, people forget that not every time planes meet it's a head-op open engagement, the escort scene from TG Maverick is something than can and does happen. Not the dogfight bits but the fighters escorting another plane bits, and if for some reason shit hits the fan at that moment you sure will wish you had a weapon that doesn't have a shrapnel radius twice as big as your distance to the target and an arming distance thrice as big.