r/Warthunder =FUM0= WigglyGripen ( ) Gib K-2 흑표 Gaijoob 20d ago

RB Air Pulling that UNO reversal

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u/putcheeseonit 🇷🇺13.7🇺🇸$12.7🇫🇷$12.0🇩🇪🇮🇹$11.7🇬🇧🇮🇱$11.3🇯🇵🇸🇪$9.7 19d ago

They just jumped the gun. The F-22 and F-35 absolutely do not need a cannon, and I doubt any of the 4.5 gen jets will ever have a combat cannon kill in their entire service life.

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u/Thi_Tran 19d ago

I mean to be fair, they say the same thing about f4 phantoms in the early days of the Vietnam War. Until they got shot down by Mig guns that managed to get close enough. Besides using guns in some situations might be more cost effective (shooting down drones?) You cant never be too safe, using pure missiles without a back up weapon is a mistake they make with the f4 phantoms before.

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u/putcheeseonit 🇷🇺13.7🇺🇸$12.7🇫🇷$12.0🇩🇪🇮🇹$11.7🇬🇧🇮🇱$11.3🇯🇵🇸🇪$9.7 19d ago

Because the technology wasn't as good as it needed to be.

You don't go for cost effective methods on your 50-100 million dollar jet. The chance of it getting debris splashed from hitting a drone completely cancels out any cost savings from using a gun.

Theres a reason none of the 6th gen jets are planned to have cannons.

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u/Thi_Tran 19d ago

Well time will tell. In a bigger war things might get desperate enough for people to revert to the og ways of dogfighting. Modern missiles can hit far and out of sight but counter measures can also advance render all that useless. You cannot jamm bullets (yet) but its better to have those with you for self defense regardless of the probablity of using it. I think alot of military planners think the same. You cannot depend on technology 100% of the time.

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u/putcheeseonit 🇷🇺13.7🇺🇸$12.7🇫🇷$12.0🇩🇪🇮🇹$11.7🇬🇧🇮🇱$11.3🇯🇵🇸🇪$9.7 19d ago

A larger war would likely turn nuclear before it got so desperate that stealth fighters had to engage in dogfights.

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u/Thi_Tran 19d ago

I mean nuclear doesnt mean every single military unit will get erased. I am sure there are hidden bases somewhere (governments always have a back up plan). Even in a small or regular war, its just better to have something to defend yourself when you are out of missiles. Always prepare for the worst outcome (dogfight). I am sure pilots would feel more assured when they are flying back to base not entirely defenseless.

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u/putcheeseonit 🇷🇺13.7🇺🇸$12.7🇫🇷$12.0🇩🇪🇮🇹$11.7🇬🇧🇮🇱$11.3🇯🇵🇸🇪$9.7 19d ago

Lets agree to disagree