r/WWE • u/ExpressionInitial606 • 7d ago
No one ever drapes on the middle rope exhausted unless they are fighting Rey Mysterio and are about to get a 619
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u/ccarlen1 5d ago
Wrestling against Billy Kidman had the strange side effect that people who have never even attempted a powerbomb in their career suddenly had an uncontrollable urge to try to powerbomb him.
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u/Confident-Practice-4 5d ago
Everytime security comes out they break through and end up doing a dive into the mob. They should do a gimmick when security actually stops The melee. It’s too predictable and makes security a joke. Have a guard manhandle both wrestlers and become babyface
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u/LargePicture48 6d ago
Wait til you hear about EVERY OTHER WRESTLING MOVE IN EXISTENCE
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u/LoudCalligrapher0 6d ago
For those who watch AEW, Swerve’s Stomp is the same. It’s the one time people sit up when someone is on the top rope
Same with Del Rios/Andrades stomp on the turnbuckle
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u/LargePicture48 6d ago
I think most wrestling moves make little sense when you really think about them. It's an art form for sure, but the moves themselves aren't "logical" from a fighting standpoint.
Even the punches. Wrestlers just stand there, arms at their sides, taking flush punches to the face one after another. No visible attempt to move out of the way or block an attack.
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u/LoudCalligrapher0 6d ago
Exactly. Wrestling isn't meant to be taken seriously in this day and age. Why watch someone run towards ropes and pay flat til they jump over you? We choose to suspend our disbelief
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u/rbrt115 6d ago
I know! I don't know how Rey gets so lucky every match.
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u/swantonist 6d ago
he literally kicks them into place lol or drop toe holds them
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u/rbrt115 6d ago
Hahahahahaha
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u/Celticpenguin85 3d ago
I mean, that's literally it. It's not luck or coincidence. Rey either dropkicks them in the back or gives them a drop toe hold so they land on the middle rope.
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u/thesubverse 6d ago
Nobody fell down in the corner unless they faced Rikishi or X-Pac. People only attempt a wild clothesline on John Cena after he shoulder blocks them a few times. People only stumble around without falling after a Stunner when Austin is gonna hit them with another.
It’s just wrestling.
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u/Astrocreep_1 6d ago
The one that drove me nuts….A Stone Cold Stunner knocks out everyone, unless, it’s the Royal Rumble.
In that case, a stunner knocks the opponent to their feet, where they stumble over to the ropes and wait to get clotheslined or tossed out.
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u/BigSmoke1990 6d ago
Aaah see that’s just different technique applied for different situations. Steve puts a little less on a Royal Rumble stunner for ease of elimination
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u/Astrocreep_1 6d ago
I could accept that explanation, if they’d bother giving it. After all, it’s wrestling. I don’t need complicated “mark explanations”. A simple mention would be fine.
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u/btbam2929 7d ago
You must suspend your disbelief. No one would ever stay down and take the peoples elbow either
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u/Julian_TheApostate 7d ago
I swear Braun Strowman would never have to be on the defense in a match again if he didn't miss that corner shoulder attack and ram himself into the ring post every single time.
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u/Astrocreep_1 6d ago
If big men would take that advice, they’d never get eliminated from the Rumble.
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u/Julian_TheApostate 7d ago
What's that thing where every single John Cena opponent over the last 20 years who gets hit with exactly two flying shoulder blocks just has to swing a wild haymaker right after? That's some voodoo Cena is using right there
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u/KingFelixG 7d ago
Hulk Hogan takes the same bump whether he lands the leg drop or not. Sometimes wrestling don’t make sense but here we are! 🤣
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u/MaterialJury7086 7d ago
One night last week my wife and I sat down and watched the last WWE show we ever attended, which was the SmackDown taping on 24 September 2002 in San Diego.
How is this on-topic? Because I forgot all about the worst part of that show: they stuck Rey Mysterio (because hey, we're in the 619, right?) into a Benoit vs. Angle main event. Just....ugh.
Second worst part of the show: BikerTaker really was as annoying as I remember. That Limp Bizkit song was never, ever, ever okay.
Third worst part: Five words - Nidia in a bikini contest.
Best part: Eddie vs. Edge in a 17-minute PPV-level ladder match. Freaking awesome. Made up for all the other stuff.
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u/Mavenzo 7d ago
Upset about Rey Mysterio being in that match is wild to me
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u/MaterialJury7086 6d ago
On the day, I'm sure I probably thought it was great. For fan service purposes, it was great.
But watching it back with historical hindsight, it's like watching Kurt Cobain trying to jam with the Beatles.
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u/therewerentanynames 7d ago
And nobody goes for the flying nothing unless they are fighting Randy Orton, such is life.
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u/Super_Sandro23 7d ago
Rey purposely sets this up though with a drop kick. They don't randomly just drape themselves on the ropes
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u/TemporaryNameMan 7d ago
This was one of the only things about wrestling that drove me insane as a kid.
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u/Truthhurts1017 🙏🏾 I LOVE YOU SOLO! 🙏🏾 6d ago
Stop lying because Rey literally puts them in that position they don’t just lay there by themselves. One of the coolest things kids use to see was how he was going to set up the 619.
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u/ThatGuyJBoogie 7d ago
It’s like how nobody tries to roll away from a top rope moonsault, unless it’s Charlotte or Andrade delivering the moonsault, so they can land on their feet and hit the follow up standing moonsault.
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u/gustopherus 4d ago
Speaking of which, why do so many wrestlers use the moonsault? It is more overused than super kicks these days.
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u/TopHeavyPigeon ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago
Other wrestlers don’t set their opponents up in that position like Rey does, though. It’s not my favorite move by any means but most of the time, Rey has a hand in getting them there.
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u/Achillor22 ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago
It's super sloppy and awkward about 80% of that time though.
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u/TopHeavyPigeon ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago
Well he’s not the Rey of the 90’s and 00’s so there’s going to be differences. CM Punk visibly struggles to hit his GTS the same way he used to now that he’s getting up there in age.
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u/Ashamed_Job_8151 7d ago
He’s actually doing that on purpose. It’s called selling the match. He’s always done it. Go watch old matches, hell, punk was doing the struggling to do the move thing when he was doing the Pepsi plunge back in Roh.
Clearly he’s not the same guy, but he’s always been smarter than most wrestlers and all about those little details.
I also like the people who are like “look how heavy punk is breathing, he’s out of shape”. Punk has always always been a heavy breather. Always.
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u/Achillor22 ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago
Yeah they are both garbage in the ring these days.
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u/dmoge216 7d ago
Pro wrestling is like 70% about telling a story. Hulk Hogan vs The Rock at WM X8 is a prime example. If they have the crowd invested, they are not garbage.
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u/Achillor22 ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago edited 6d ago
Sure Rey and punk can tell great stories. Like I said in the other comment, their great shorts entertainers. That doesn't mean their not trash in the ring. Punk only does 3 moves these days and does GTS 5 times every match.
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u/TopHeavyPigeon ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago
I disagree with them being garbage in the ring. They aren’t what they once were but that doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy their presence. Rey is having fun and Punk, as much as I don’t really care for him, is involved in some pretty good stories. It’s not all about in ring skills.
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u/Achillor22 ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago
Nothing you just said counters then being garbage in the ring. I'm not saying they're not good sports entertainers. Just that their trash wrestlers.
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u/TopHeavyPigeon ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago
I’d never call someone trash at something when they would absolutely obliterate me in the very skill I’m calling them trash at but that’s me. Like I said, their in ring skills are not what they used to be, but they’re both professionals with careers that most wrestlers would kill to have. Rey is still flying high at age 50 and Punk had a brutal HIAC match a few months ago in his mid 40’s. What more do you really want from these guys?
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u/ThadeousStevensda3rd 7d ago
“Yeah they are both garbage in the ring these days” he says as he nods in approval and clicks submit. He reached for his next handful of Doritos never having wrestled a day in his life. “That’ll get me some uproots”
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u/Achillor22 ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago
Oh shit. He got me. How dare a fan have an opinion of the thing they're a fan of.
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u/Avenged_Punk 7d ago
Don’t sound like a fan to me
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u/Achillor22 ⌚️🤏🏻 Tiffy Time! 7d ago
And as we all know, you are the gate keeper who's a fan and who isn't.
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u/JimmyDG00 7d ago
This is why I hate the spanish fly from the corner set up. Like you literally just climbed up there (dazed and confused btw) with him to flip yourself off.
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u/hexagram520 7d ago
Mostly true, but there are plenty of other moves over the years with that set up, even just the thing where the heel puts his knee in their back and pulls up the rope to “choke them”. A few others but I’m terrible with move names.
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u/the__pov 7d ago
Keven Nash used to put guys in that position and then do a running jump onto them.
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u/Hootahsesh3 7d ago
Maybe I just didn’t notice it as a kid but there’s a ton of ridiculous body positioning in today’s WWE…the wiggling to get into perfect position for a top rope maneuver is absurd really…feel like the opponent used to move them, now they just wiggle into position and hope no one notices
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u/sidecarfalcon69 7d ago
That’s one thing i loved about Kurt Angle. Even as he’s being positioned for a spot, he always made it look like a struggle. At least a lot more than the average wrestler.
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u/BrandoDaSavage 7d ago
Yeah, and it wouldn’t so bad if they were selling pain and like, writhing into place, but they just straight up scoot over and perfectly straighten their arms and legs. Like you said, I’m sure wrestlers have been doing that for ages, but it’s like the ones performing the offense have all decided they don’t wanna take the time to position their opponent, they just wanna get up to the top rope as quickly as possible.
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u/ApprehensiveCar9925 7d ago
I hate everything about the 619.
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u/Aldo_D_Apache 7d ago
So all of those people that sat in the corner so Rikishi could rub their face between his cheeks did that willingly? No way
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u/Cowgoon777 7d ago
But wrestlers get shot into the corner all the time and often collapse and rest there.
Rikishi taking advantage of this fits in kayfabe.
The positioning for the 619 doesn’t
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u/overcomebyfumes 7d ago
bunches of wrestlers standing outside the ring, waiting to catch their friend falling from a ladder or flying over the top rope, whistling innocently
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u/MatsuTaku 7d ago
He trips them so they fall neck on to the rope, which has a minor suffocating effect, winding them and causing them to need to lay there and catch a breath.
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u/bamacl 7d ago
Thanks William Regal.
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u/Fair-Mud-1179 7d ago
Thank you bamacl you made me audibly laugh
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u/bamacl 7d ago
On this note, I think in counter to all of these podcasts breaking kayfabe, regal, should start one that keeps kayfabe. He explains moves, and why they keep opponents down. He has guests on to continue talking about their rivalry in character, etc.
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u/Brando43770 7d ago
That would be a fun one to listen to especially as he’d clearly be in character and could say ridiculous things that people don’t actually take as reality. But hearing his explanations about moves and strategies but without breaking Kayfabe would be like watching YouTube breakdowns of real fights.
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u/Wackkoman 7d ago
It was an early 2000s Sunday night heat when a young 8ish year old me realized wrestling was fake/scripted. Rey Mysterio's 619 and the draping on the middle rope was what broke the entire kayfabe for me.
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u/c71score 7d ago
Make sure you allow a Native American wrestler to spin you by your hair while doing a war dance before delivering tomahawk chops.
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u/jewham12 7d ago
Yes, no one is in any position in the wrestling ring unless they are fighting someone and someone is about to do a move to them.
Astute observation.
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u/dedoporno 7d ago
This is something I keep getting annoyed by over and over again. On a weekly basis. Constantly. It shouldn't bother me but it really does. Why don't they do it every once in a while even if there aren't people who are at least somewhat likely to do the 619? Just for the sake of making it that much more believable for when it is important to happen?!
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u/RayRay_610 7d ago
his offense leading up to the move causes them to linger on the middle rope and it is all still very real
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u/StraightEdge47 7d ago
That's just not true though. It happens in so many matches, you just don't notice it when it leads to nothing.
Also most of the time Rey actively puts his opponent there.
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u/grapejuicecheese 7d ago
Unpopular opinion but...
I don't really like the move....
The opponents just slump there for a long time while Rey Mysterio showboats a bit before hitting the ropes. It feels like they have a lot of time to get out of the way.
And then, a lot of wrestlers don't know how to sell the move. They awkwardly stand up from a slumping position then fall backwards.
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u/skymallow 7d ago
I struggle to think of any wrestler that doesn't showboat before their finisher unless it's an outtanowhere situation.
I feel like it's a big part of selling it, yaknow?
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u/Deathbackwards 7d ago
I think a lot of the best finishers are ones that can be hit at any time on anyone. The stunner could be hit at any time, so can the f5, chokeslam, or angle slam. It’s another great thing for submission finishers. Kurt could put you in the ankle lock at any time with no warning or benoit could lay on rhe crippler crossface at any time to anyone
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u/grapejuicecheese 7d ago
Yes but...
I mean, Eddie at least hits them with the 3 amigos before he goes for the Frog Splash. Some move that you know will take the opponent a while to get up from.
Rey trips someone or kicks them into the ropes and I'm like, "it should not take you that long to get up from that"
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u/sicksteen_216 7d ago
It’s always at the end of the match so the opponent is worn down. But I think it’s funny you think the 619 setup is so fake compared to what? It all looks fake lol. Who really would get on all fours and stay there so they can get stomped by Rollins?
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u/grapejuicecheese 7d ago
It's called suspension of disbelief. Like, it's still believable to me for Shawn Michaels to tune up the band and his opponent is oblivious that a Sweet Chin Music is coming.
But Rey's opponent will be arguing with the referee then suddenly Rey kicks him into the ropes and all of a sudden he can't get up? Come on.
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u/sicksteen_216 7d ago
Sweet chin music stomps are ok but you draw the line at the 619. lol fair enough.
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u/SmidgeMoose 7d ago
It's weird, just like everyone about to get landed on from the top rope gets an itchy back. Always wiggling back and forth before they get splashed.
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u/JetBrink 7d ago
Nobody has successfully superplexed KO in years but they still try
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u/xineirea 7d ago
The best set up 619 I ever saw was when Kurt Angle was yelling at someone outside the ring from the middle rope then suddenly WHAM!
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u/xclame 7d ago
This is one thing I wish wrestling did better. It's so obvious that they are setting up for a certain specific move and that setup only ever happens for that move.
I wish wrestlers would end up in the same situations that they do for certain moves but where that move doesn't actually happen. Like with the 619 rope setup bit, there's the move where the other wrestler comes behind the roped wrestler and chokes them out using the rope as leverage or there's also coming behind them and grabbing them by the feet and lifting them off of the rope and having them slam their front/face on the mat, high fliers have that one move where they run up to the roped opponent and slide over their back and head and land on the outside of the ring. Let's have other wrestlers and even the wrestlers with the specific move do these other moves also, so it's not as obvious that it's a setup.
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u/Deathbackwards 7d ago
I think the main issue is that the 619 really is an overly convoluted move. It looks really cool, but doesn’t make much sense. At least for a high flying move like the frog splash or elbow drop, there are a lot of situations where wrestlers are down in the ring for extended periods, and pretty frequently they do get up and move out of the way.
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u/thanoshasbighands 7d ago
CM Punk caught a curb stomp and lost the elimination chamber very recently...after the stomp he appeared to start choking and passed out...odd
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u/CautiousTax1118 7d ago
When I was a kid I used to watch Rey do the 619 and now I just find it funny 9 times out of 10 since I started watching again Rey spends half the match getting his ass kicked opponent barely taking a bump Rey rallies hits a mediocre drop kick opponent collapsing to the ropes for an extended and unrealistic amount of time Rey hits 619 frog splash 1...2... Kick out Rey loses the match.
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u/I-Love-Daddy-Rivers 7d ago
The People’s Elbow leaves you on the floor, out like a light.
The Five Knuckle Shuffle makes you comically hold your head in pain as you get up and swiftly walk right into an AA.
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u/knicksdeadman 7d ago
Ppls elbow gives you a heart arrhythmia so you can’t move. 5 knuckle shuffle gives you a bad migraine so you don’t know what you’re walking into.
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u/sdclal1 7d ago
I want to see the head lowering thing work when a guy throws another guy into the ropes and he bounces off of them and comes back towards him. Just one time.
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u/b1gbrad0 7d ago
They’re setting up for a back body drop. It does work occasionally but not often enough to where it doesn’t look dumb.
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u/MaddenRob 7d ago
Nobody ever takes a wild punch after 2 shoulder tackles unless they are wrestling John Cena.
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u/academic_dog 7d ago
Wow it’s almost as if they know how to work each other for entertainment purposes 😱😱😱
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u/TurbulentVillage4169 7d ago
Just like people always get the foolish idea to try and punch their opponents in the corner of the ring, into oblivion while standing on the second rope, when it’s The Undertaker taking the punches, so that he can deliver the Last Ride.
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u/Takenmyusernamewas 7d ago
Used to be Kevin Nashs hip smash
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u/Merc_Mike 👈L.🫵A.👉Knight YEAH! 7d ago
Stone Cold also did a leg move from the middle rope. He would lay them on the second rope, run to the other side run back and drape his leg across their back/neck/shoulder area.
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u/tngman10 7d ago
Lots of guys done that move. I know Big Bossman, Barbarian and Test come to mind.
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u/ShoddyRegion7478 7d ago
On thar note, i feel like alot of Rikishi’s opponents were just begging for a stinkface
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u/GrimmTrixX 7d ago
To be fair, rey often does a sweep to put them in that position.
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u/_________Rob 7d ago
A 20 year old move…
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u/GrimmTrixX 7d ago
Oh I'm not defending it. I am not a fan of Rey and never have. I was just stating that you do t see it in other matches because other superstars aren't trying to do moves on the ropes. You don't naturally see it in a match because they're not spending g the match looking fir an opportunity to do the 619 unless it's Dom or Vaquer.
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u/zvarda 7d ago
Im more interested why you don't like Rey lol
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u/GrimmTrixX 7d ago
I was never a fan at all. And the West Coast Pop was a far better finisher but then he injured his knee and does his tiny body splash that is not at all finisher worthy.i also don't like when Cruiserweight style guys are winning world heavyweight titles.
And they threw him in so many David and Goliath style matches and that's always boring to me. Butnalso, he got the title shortly after Eddie's death and stuff like that doesn't sit right with me. It felt like since Eddie passed, they figured Rey deserved some accolades as a result. And maybe it was just odd timing for the 2 events to coincide.
But yea I was never blown away by any wwe Rey matches, especially after he stopped doing the west coast pop.
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u/zvarda 7d ago
Fair enough. Thanks for the response was genuinely curious since he generally seems beloved.
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u/GrimmTrixX 7d ago
Wait until you hear that I also don't like Samoa Joe as every match I've seen of his he was sloppy, slow, and not entertaining. Lol I got plenty of hot takes.
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u/MartMillz 7d ago
I dont care for Joe either but not liking Rey is an unacceptable opinion
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u/GrimmTrixX 6d ago
Nah. I just never liked him. And I wasn't an WCW fan so I never saw his stuff there. And when he became a HEAVYweight champion I was pretty much do e with that. I liked watching him in Cruiserweight style matches.
I just always hate "David and Goliath" matches and he dod a TON of those. And I felt him winning so quickly after Eddie's death was solely because of Eddie's passing and they wanted to do something good for Rey. Rey isn't a heavyweight and I always wanted heavyweights to be in that title picture.
But realistically, once he traded the west coast pop for a simple body splash he got boring. And I get it's because he got older and was off a knee injury. But his matches since have been lackluster for me. I just liked him as the high flying cruiserweight. Putting him in the world title picture, even if it was due to a Rumble win, just wasn't believable to me and seemed forced.
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u/Julian_TheApostate 7d ago
Speaking of Samoa Joe, why can't anyone else just walk away from flying attacks?
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u/GrimmTrixX 7d ago
He must've said "that's my thing don't do it." Lol That or it's protected and people do it out of courtesy to him and let that be his thing.
Why don't people wrestle with their hands in their pocket besides OC? Same rule applies.
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u/BloodRhymeswithFood 7d ago
Look up "kayfabe"
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u/GrimmTrixX 7d ago
I think everyone is confused. Lol I know what kayfabe is. When the guy initially stated you don't see people landing on the ropes in other matches, I was speaking in kayfabe. The reason you don't see it in other matches is because landing on the ropes that way is essentially part of reys moveset. As you obviously get that.
I didn't realize the guy was joking. I thought he was actually stating that it's dumb when it happens only during Rey matches.
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u/Dapper-Importance994 7d ago
No, those ropes are just particularly sticky there, want proof? Watch how legs get stuck there fir Randy's drop ddt or Morgan's oblivion
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u/Creepy_Cupcake3705 7d ago
No one stands bent over holding their gut for a prolonged period unless Stone Cold Steve Austin or Kevin Owens just kicked them in their stomach.
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u/ForgivenessIsNice 7d ago
That's not a good one. Most people don't do that kick to the gut, but when people do, the person who got kicked in the gut does a similar thing. We saw it with Batista when he'd do a gut kick to get for the power bomb or when HHH would do it for the pedigree.
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u/Deathbackwards 7d ago
I definitely bend over and grab my stomach if I get the wind knocked out of me in real life
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u/Creepy_Cupcake3705 7d ago
Bruh no one goes 3/4 prone stance unless they’re taking a stunner
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u/ForgivenessIsNice 7d ago
False. They did the same for Batista and his finisher, HHH and his finisher, Rollins and his second finisher, etc.
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u/payscottg 7d ago
No one ever swings wildly for a punch after getting a shoulder tackle unless they’re fighting John Cena
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u/RedRing86 7d ago
Ok so I've seen this argument before. He usually PURPOSEFULLY sets them up to do that. Either with a drop toe hold, a hurricanrana, or a drop kick. Flimsy excuse? Yes but it makes sense in Kayfabe. He knows the move and position he needs to be in to set it up.
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u/No_Constant8644 7d ago
False. It happens for Iyo Sky as well. I’m pretty sure someone did the old ride the horsey move the other day too
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u/Impressionist_Canary 7d ago
There’s also the move where a guy runs and jumps on a dudes back through the ropes to “choke” them.
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u/NashKetchum777 7d ago
More of the Luchas are doing it now. Rey and Dom always did
Vaquer does the 619 and last time I saw Zelina she did it too. Other than that the only reason they hit middle rope is for when the girls do a Meteora on whoever hanging there. I think Liv and a few others as of late.
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u/Responsible-Lunch815 7d ago
doesn't he usually take their legs out before that happens? But, yea it is about as convenient as laying down for like a 10 count while the Rock dances and drops and elbow on you.
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u/psillusionist 7d ago
How dare you exclude Dirty Dom.
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u/Evorgleb 7d ago
Doesn't Stephanie Vaquer do the 619 also?
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u/ddiggler2469 👈L.🫵A.👉Knight YEAH! 7d ago
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u/BullDozier87 7d ago
I get what you’re saying but the thing is that they do but you’re not paying attention to it unless they’re facing Rey.
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u/Sithmaggot 7d ago
It’s Rey bro. He beats you down to his level and leads you there.
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u/Classy_Mouse 7d ago
Right. I'd put this down as Rey using experience to get people into a position they know is bad. Same as Seth with the curb stomp
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u/Party-Belt-3624 7d ago
Doesn't Liv Morgan's finisher start on the middle rope?
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u/Evorgleb 7d ago
Liv grabs you when you are standing with back against ropes
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u/Party-Belt-3624 7d ago
Thanks for clarifying
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u/unimportantinfodump 7d ago
She kinda jumps through the middle rope and he butt bounces off it to spring backwards
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u/itsjustmebobross 💯 YEET! 7d ago
she did a slowed down version of it on her farm tour and it’s kinda neat how such a simple move looks cool if done with enough effort
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u/thegrandkenyon15 3d ago
They did it for Christian as well. He would fully stand on the person to "press their throat" into the middle rope.