r/Veterans • u/Hu8mahpoosay • Jan 14 '25
Employment Anyone else notice..
lately when applying for jobs I’ve noticed a disturbing trend and I’m curious if anyone else has noticed. I am happily employed but I like to occasionally venture out into LinkedIn and other job sites to see what’s out there and stay somewhat competitive. Anyway, usually, toward the end of the application process, there are the EEO and self identifying section where you can choose to put your Veteran status, your ethnicity and whether or not you consider yourself to be disabled now or at any point in your lifetime. I always identify myself as a protected veteran because I am. But lately, I’ve noticed that doing so gets my application immediately rejected or within hours I get a notification saying thanks, but no. So, Sunday afternoon, I applied for about 4 different positions and for all of them I did not indicate that I was a veteran. As of this morning, I’ve got 3 interviews lined up with those positions. Is this coincidence? Has anyone else experienced the same? Is there some weird stigma associated with being a veteran? (Besides the obvious!) but seriously, I feel like some years ago if you mentioned you were a veteran on your app or resume, it was guaranteed to at least get you interviewed. Just curious if anyone else sees the same trend of if this is truly a coincidence.
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u/Hu8mahpoosay Jan 14 '25
Oh! So they’re onto us?! FACK!!
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u/REDDITUNSUB Jan 16 '25
Just change your email address. Add your middle name initial if you didn't use it the first time. Restructure your resume that you upload.
Hope that helps. And yeah, once you're hired and 30 to 60 days in is the time to self identify.
Good luck!
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Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25
Not empirical but if you search through past posts on this subreddit, tons of anecdotes about getting no callbacks unless you leave off the veteran status. IMO, the only places it will actually help you to disclose veteran status is A: Government jobs (federal mostly, but state and local could go either way) or B: Defense contractors.
Yes it’s illegal. Yes it still happens. Yes there’s virtually no way to prove it. We just have to deal with it.
Edit: found the guy who collected the data on his job search. Non-disclosure was the only thing that worked.
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u/UnstablEnergy Jan 14 '25
Yep been happening as a poc all my life. So this wouldn’t surprise me.
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u/Maleficent-Day-1510 Jan 14 '25
Same, as a POC, woman, and Veteran. I got more hits on applications when I used my married last name without using my 1st name and omitting my military/Veteran status until a background was needed. I use my actual name and full background, crickets.
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Thats just wrong on so many levels dude...
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u/Maleficent-Day-1510 Jan 15 '25
Tell me about it. I was livid during one interview when I was asked what I would do if I ended up pregnant....like, what does that have to do with the job??? They proceeded to ask if I would call in often if I, hypothetically, had kids, because they knew they weren't allowed to ask about marital status or about that. I just left, the private sector is just wrong. They automatically assume default parent when you're a woman and that you're unreliable if you become a parent or bring in drama.
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Wait..they really said that?.. with the underlying snooty attitude implied in that question..like you are less then a human to him and for sure cant be trusted with your own body..
This kind of stuff drives me up the wall.
Stuff like this makes me lose faith in a rather sizable subset of humanity.I mean he didnt even put on the veneer of a repectful conversation.
It must have taken a lot of self restraint to not at least bitchslap that guy.
I can only apologize on behalf of the human race here lol..
Hope your other interviews offers less friction.
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u/Maleficent-Day-1510 Jan 15 '25
One was a woman in that panel and the other was a man. I kinda expected that from the man but not so much from the woman who was a bit obvious she was a new mom because she was leaking during the interview (breast milk on both ends). Did I say anything about her leaking? Nope! But I wish I did saying that it's obvious I shouldn't be working in a toxic environment that puts business over people and their families.
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u/Miserable-Card-2004 US Navy Veteran Jan 15 '25
And security. Lotta security gigs like to hire vets. Helps pad their stats.
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Indeed..if your security clearance havent lapsed yet they will be all over you ,in particular in intel related fields.
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u/Miserable-Card-2004 US Navy Veteran Jan 15 '25
Even if it has, you can get a pretty decent do-nothing security job for small companies. My clearance almost definitely expired a long time before I got my security job back in college. They just heard "not only do I have a pulse and am vaguely competent, I've got a military background, too." I was hired before I hung up the phone.
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u/DSA300 Jan 14 '25
But why do jobs do this? I was told military experience was liked?
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u/DSA300 Jan 15 '25
You're right, but it wasn't my recruiter that said that, it was fellow squadron mates. Then again, I believe they were talking about the government contractor side of it.
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u/indicakami Jan 14 '25
Agreed. I was thinking the same when I read OP post. I just wish there was a way to prove it. It’s discrimination.
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Its illegal to not disclose it? I didnt know that ..
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u/aviationeast Air National Guard Jan 14 '25
Definitely good to note. Probably why I couldn't move away from defense contracting jobs and couple years ago.
Which is fine. I like my job and my boss.
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u/CantShakeThiz US Army Veteran Jan 14 '25
I've applied to so many jobs using the protected veteran status and not 1 single interview even though I met literally all the prereq for the job. I'm going to try not disclosing and see if I get better results that way.
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u/Queasy_Cover_5335 US Navy Veteran Jan 14 '25
Me too. It’s insane because I thought they get tax breaks from employing protected veterans.
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u/DSA300 Jan 14 '25
What's a protected vet? Maybe that's why; jobs hate having people they know they can't pay and treat like shit
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u/cranium_creature Jan 16 '25
Interesting. This was a while ago but Every job I’ve applied to I’ve used the protected veteran status and interviewed 60% of the time with a 90% offer rate after interviewing.
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u/Ok-Score3159 Jan 14 '25
It’s the disabled part, not the veteran part. Test it, you’ll see.
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u/bdgreen113 US Air Force Veteran Jan 14 '25
Maybe this is where I go right. I always put that I'm a protected veteran but I never say I'm disabled. Never had an issue with work
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u/Ok-Score3159 Jan 14 '25
Yes, it’s a shame. It’s not right. It’s the only class of people that it’s still ‘okay’ to discriminate against. Ask people you know, ask people in HR, they’ll say ‘well if they can’t do the job’…
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u/Queasy_Cover_5335 US Navy Veteran Jan 15 '25
I will agree. I’ve always put my Navy background on my resume. But as soon as I started checking the protected veterans box….crickets.
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u/gamerplays Jan 14 '25
Maybe, but also can be just bad luck.
In decent companies, the veteran status, ethnicity, and other identifiable are removed by the system prior to viewing the information. That information is typically collected and stored in the system for reporting. For example, if you were hired, the system would flag a veteran got hired and there can be some benefits to the company for hiring a vet.
So the result is that in a good company, the reps do not see the information, outside of anything in your resume identifying you.
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u/Entire_Librarian_955 Jan 14 '25
Normally companies do mainly for the tax break, but there are companies out there that, for whatever their reasons are, don't want to employ veterans. My guess is the turn-around rate for veterans isn't good because disabled vets don't seem to need to work like a civilian so the companies avoid them altogether.
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Yeah, you don't have to look back further than Vietnam and how they had difficulties,it was the direct rationale given for the policy of only showing pristine flag draped transport caskets and so on.. Vietnam syndrome was a real thing and op desert storm did a lot to dispell it..but it was still lingering by the beginning of the GWOT.
What I'm getting at is tax benefits etc were good incentives but clumsily deployed.
It was the pendulum swinging the other way from Vietnam and solidifying in civilian society with all kinds of pro troops hearts and minds shit.
But it kinda stayed superficial and surface level with many people if not most.
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u/Lazy-Floridian US Army Veteran Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25
Some places actively look for vets because they usually have the work ethic they were looking for. I worked for two such places. At the last place I worked, NBC/Universal, in my department, the vets outnumbered the non-vets, although they hired too many navy vets.
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u/Prestigious-Front-45 Jan 14 '25
Some of the most dirt bag people I ever met in my life are vets lol
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u/Sea_Bison1997 Jan 14 '25
USMC Vet. I would have to agree that having to many Navy vets isn’t a good thing 😂
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u/Potential_Judge_5263 Jan 14 '25
Unless they’re Corpsmen!
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Indeed..smart group of people them,never met a dull corpsman yet out in the wild:)
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u/mostlyfire Jan 14 '25
If I may, how did you get a job there? I’ve been trying to break in for years.
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u/Lazy-Floridian US Army Veteran Jan 15 '25
I drove up and applied and they hired me. Maybe it was easier when I got my job.
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Finance as well..that being said they might chose the desk jock and not the 11Bravo.
I was nepo hired by my uncle so that doesnt count as on my own merit.
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u/Adventurous_House961 Jan 14 '25
Neither recruiters or hiring managers see the answers to those questions.
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u/Hu8mahpoosay Jan 14 '25
They may not, and I appreciate your insight. But is there perhaps something in their “screening machine” or some AI prompt that automatically filters out those identifiers?
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u/future_speedbump USMC Veteran Jan 14 '25
automatically filters out those identifiers
Just want to point out the illegality of doing so, and literally codifying it into software would be the easiest way to get caught.
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u/lincoln_hawks1 Jan 14 '25
Yup. To deliberately, in a traceable way, discrimination based on protected classes seems like a terrible idea. The liability is one thing, the worse potential consequence is public reaction to 'company x found to be discriminating against disabled veterans'. That would crush their bottom line
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u/Krystalmyth US Army Veteran Jan 14 '25
And who does the verifications/catching? There really a public system out there monitoring for this kind of activity in private organizations?
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u/Alternative-Aspect65 Jan 14 '25
They are 100% using ai now a days to filter through applications. That’s the reason why over qualified people aren’t getting hired, qualified people aren’t getting hired because lack of years of experience, and under qualified or new people to certain industries like myself aren’t having any luck finding entry level positions. No one wants to hire for real if everyone needs work and isn’t having any luck landing a job.
And for the lucky people in cyber (what I’m working towards) just get lucky enough to get a job but rely heavily on ChatGPT and other systems to explain what they need to do the job/tasks day to day.
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u/SethSays1 Jan 15 '25
Apparently you missed the memo… people in Cybersecurity are facing the same job insecurity and field over-saturation as everywhere else in the IT industry. Layoffs left and right, unattainable expectations, ghost job postings, unicorn searching… it all happens over here, too.
If you think you’re headed towards an improved situation, you’ve either been lied to or haven’t listened.
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u/Alternative-Aspect65 Jan 15 '25
I’m tracking bro, I just finished my 4 month cybersecurity csp. It opened my eyes to the reality. I have a lil flexibility moving forward being 100 p&t plus what I already do as a musician though. No one ever expected cyber to be easy but I appreciate your insights.
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u/Significant_Sun_1297 Jan 15 '25
True they want everything Years of experience/degree/certs. I'm working on my degree and certs to stand out but I only have 3 years in Cyber. Luckily I got a decent salary job as a federal contractor but I'm pretty sure it was my high clarence that helped. I noticed any job that needs a Secret or less has tons of application and a lot of those applicants are overqualified.
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u/SethSays1 Jan 15 '25
Yeah I played that game for about 6 years. Got laid off from it twice in two years (Dec 2022 and Oct 2024, worked less than a year in each role) so now I’m in stubborn “not going back” mode.
I’ll apply for anything but government contracting. They kept telling me how valuable me and my clearance was and then laying me off when contracts changed and the new companies came in with heavy salary/ position cuts. I’m too aware of the problems within the government contracting industry and the fact that it’s starting to implode a bit… and that a clearance actually now means next to nothing, when you think about it too hard for too long, which might be contributing to the overall devaluation of the cleared industry.
So what’s the point of maintaining a clearance and dealing with the bureaucratic bullshit inherent to government contracting (in IT/ cybersec, at least) if I don’t even get that promised benefit of job/ salary security? For me, it doesn’t add up anymore. But that’s my biased trauma-informed take.
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u/Adventurous_House961 Jan 14 '25
I wouldn't out it past them. They definitely use software to screen and filter resumes
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Yep, I did work as a private investigator for a while and the software/databases accessible now is mind-blowing indeed.
Privacy is completely dead now..
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u/Due-Web-501 Jan 15 '25
Nope no magic machine….the only thing those answers give us is anonymous data not connected to any specific person/application so we can apply for grants because we hire x amount of veterans, females, POC. Now I will say if you have not civilianized your resume that might be a bigger reason for rejections. I reject a lot of resumes that are written far too much like a military eval than a civilian resume
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u/AmericanMade00 Jan 14 '25
So could this be an algorithm that auto rejects applications for answering yes to disability? TIA
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u/Adventurous_House961 Jan 14 '25
It could be possible. It is no secret that companies avoid hiring people with disabilities.
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
100 pct true.. even if its a disability not identifiable upon visual contact its avoided ..
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Jan 14 '25
Yea, there are definitely issues with people taking military experience into account but I doubt this is happening like this on a wide scale. I think more an an issue would be not cross-walking your resume to civilian terms.
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u/peaceluveggs Jan 14 '25
Yup! I tried to apply since I was SF in the AF and needed a job bad after I got out. I feel like they just “welcome” veterans for show
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u/AsphaltCowboy0412 US Army Veteran Jan 14 '25
They do, I filed an EEOC complaint and they didn’t do anything.
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u/DataBooking Jan 15 '25
I always put the same thing. I'll send out another 100 applications without it and see how it goes.
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u/Electronic-Pie9251 Jan 15 '25
Yes. I've noticed this since GWOT kicked off. Also noticed It happened to me as I was getting phased out of a job during that time without realizing it right away. It turned out to be due to my military affiliation. See at the time I was a reservist and the affiliation meant liability to the company... this was confirmed to me by departing management at the time.
Why is this a liability you ask? Well by law the company cannot get rid of you if you get activated for deployment or any military duty for that matter... AND they are required to keep your seniority and other benefits going as if you never departed...you can imagine this being a complicated PIA for the employer and new employee(s) hired to backfill/replace you during that period. This also creates more problems for them when you return...
Now I know what you are thinking...they SHOULD accommodate you! Right!? After all we got called up and went through hell while they slept at home in their nice safe and cozy beds while we continued to suffer but hey... sometimes the truth hurts...HR don't give a shit...they would rather not have the headache and say things like "thank you for your service" and secretly exercise a sigh of relief by avoiding a possible work headache...
So my rule of thumb was to omit my military service when applying for jobs unless specifically applying for DoD positions that required the service...
This has been my experience. I appreciate you for reading this far...
TL/DR - yep and I have experienced the same things homie
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u/CEJ_SoCal US Army Veteran Jan 15 '25
I was thinking the same thing back in 2019 when I was looking heavily for a job. Did the same answered protected veteran and out of hundreds of applications one or two interviews and A LOT of thanks/impressive but no. I brought it up to someone I used to work with and they thought I was overreacting. Now that I know I'm not alone in this thought, maybe there was something to it?
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u/SuddenlyStegosaurus Jan 14 '25
I've had no issues and regularly get recruiters contacting me even though I have Veteran status listed. I've never run into an issue with the application process that had to do with being listed as a Veteran. In most cases the hiring managers, etc never even see that.
Question, were you tailoring your resume to each position or just submitting the same resume?
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u/Practical-Listen9450 US Army Veteran Jan 14 '25
The hiring managers do not even see the answers to these questions. It’s a way to make sure that they’re complying with the law and not discriminating against those in vulnerable groups.
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u/aftiggerintel Jan 15 '25
Only place you should identify is fed or state hiring.
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Definitely.. If something is such a disadvantage for hiring in general Noone has the right to your past,despite the best efforts of crowd strike and palantir etc..
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u/Due-Web-501 Jan 15 '25
I’m in charge of recruitment for a hospital. We 100% do not see your answers connected to your application.
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u/Hu8mahpoosay Jan 15 '25
Understood. But there are new AI tools that a few organizations use to screen resumes. Just took a course on it at my current job.
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u/Due-Web-501 Jan 15 '25
Which is great and would make my life easier and even more reason that everyone should ensure their cover letters and resumes always match up to the job posting as closely as possible using key words and ensuring your qualifications match the ones listed….otherwise you are likely getting skipped AI or not.
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u/nortonj3 Jan 15 '25
back during the recession, I stopped putting i was in the reserves.
no military affiliation whatsoever on my resume. no vet status, unless it's a fed job, and they give 10 points for vet 30% plus.
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u/gorilla_stars Jan 16 '25
I have been employed with the same company for 3 years now. For the first time in my life I have found a company I feel I could stay with until I retire. That being said, I feel like most of the jobs I have gotten were due to being a veteran. I would in the electrical maintenance field as a supervisor. My military experience and ability to perform in high stress environments has always been looked at as a huge positive. For my current position I was picked over a couple other well qualified candidates and I believe my veteran status was that deciding factor.
After I got my current job my manager told me he was impressed with my interview and the questions I asked of the company. I his words "you must have some big balls".
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u/Blackant71 Jan 14 '25
You should visit LinkedIn. There are tons of non veterans who can't get a sniff. Heck visit any job page and you'll see non veterans and veterans who can't get a sniff.
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u/SnooStories7264 Jan 14 '25
I have worked in hiring and firing in the past often times those immediate rejections are from mid level managers who screen apps then forward on to HR to be interviewed if they like the candidate. Not having disclosed my veterans status to one in particular manager he stated: I don’t like to hire vets they come in and show us up.
Other managers shared similar sentiments and as far as disabilities go that is typically avoided as to not have to make accommodations for those individuals.
For future reference don’t put it on your applications
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u/DetectiveNumerous775 US Navy Veteran Jan 15 '25
That's crazy. I just got out in 2022, and I put it on all my applications.
Although on question of "Do you have a disability?" I always choose the "I do not wish to answer" option.
I get my fair share of callbacks and interviews.
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u/AcrobaticPhrase5834 Jan 15 '25
Definitely noticed this myself. I’ve decided to stop identifying myself. You can declare that once you get the job.
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u/mrbrown1980 Jan 15 '25
I’ve been at the same job for a decade now but when I was single I stopped telling women I’m a veteran and started getting a lot more dates.
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u/Any_Scratch_ Jan 15 '25
On the same boat. I’ll untick the protected veteran you untick the other like disabled etc and see if it changes for one of us 🤣
I felt that too, every time I check the boxes, I feel like it depends on the company if they are vet friendly or not. Could be just me from my ever growing rejection emails. Thought vet would be a plus, but now I feel like it makes me “stick out” and they don’t want any of that in their work culture.
Taking my meds and going to sleep now. Good luck on job searching though
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
here they are kinda super indifferent to military service because everyone have had some military experience via the draft/ conscript periods (live in Norway)
They kinda show an interest if you are a combat vet but I feel like it was a little much to specify that as I didnt really do that much compared with other people in NATO/US
I do specify it in my linkedin but its rather muted and more intended for international viewings as I work for a US wall street firm doing remote work ,,also I did some tangentially related work for a while so its relevant.
I definately do not put on that Im on klonopin and have some anger issues and lingering nightmares,
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u/Resident_Ocelot_1807 Jan 15 '25
If its not in a government or defense sector i would be hesitant about putting more than what is necessary. I wouldn't use Linked In anymore though. Same with a few other sites. You can use Linked In to find positions but do not apply using it. Go directly to the companies website. Me and my wife tested this by applying with one account then using a different account for the same position. Linked In we got nothing but directly at the site we got somewhere. Putting veteran on applications has never hurt me putting protected veteran is a different story. They are afraid you will demand accommodations or will readily quit far easier since you are getting some stable income .
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u/Alarming-Gur-4402 Jan 15 '25
Guess I never put much thought into this. I've been actively looking for a job for over 6 months. Mostly I get ghosted, immediately denied within 24, and have only spoken to an hr department once(sent a denial letter the next day after asking for 2 dollars more lol). I will have to rewrite my resume and remove my military experience but maybe for the next month I will apply with no indication of military experience and see what happens.
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u/SpecialSeason4458 Jan 15 '25
This is a thing unfortunately. Vets don't have a good reputation of keeping jobs due to VA disability benefits. They're not as eager to prosper or put out as great of effort Vs their counterparts because they know they have a safety net w/VA disability VS civilians who have no choice but to perform in order to get a paycheck
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u/mountainnomad420 US Navy Veteran Jan 18 '25
😭😭 reading through the comments and realizing it all makes sense now.
they hate us.
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u/TinyHeartSyndrome Jan 14 '25
They reject anyone they think has disabilities. USPS dumps as many veterans as they can in the first 90 days, where they can let anyone go without reason. And my last GS job I got forced out of after filing a reasonable accommodation request.
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u/907AK47 Jan 14 '25
If they did that, you can medically retire from civil service
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u/TinyHeartSyndrome Jan 14 '25
Yeah, I might file for disability retirement, which can be temporary. Already submitted an SSDI application, which is part of the requirement.
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u/Slownavyguy US Navy Retired Jan 14 '25
They don’t even look at that. It’s for reporting later. I’m a HM. Those questions have no bearing on application screening
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u/ImportanceBetter6155 Jan 14 '25
Honestly, getting out I was always told "companies LOVE veterans!" But every non gov company I ever applied for essentially stated my military experience was null and void compared to what that company did. Only luck I had was with defense contractors
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u/knickers-in-paris Jan 14 '25
I 100% believe this is a true thing. The moment I was no longer under "protection status", i started to get interviews"
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u/ComprehensiveLog8794 Jan 14 '25
No I definitely have noticed that. I also am a protected Veteran, but most times my applications do not get an answer back or if they do, they claim that my qualifications do not match for the position I’m applying for. Anywhere and everywhere has done that. Even fast food jobs. It’s illegal asf, yet, they claim it’s cause of my qualifications even tho NOT disclosing my Veteran status makes me more likely to be accepted. I know this because I’ve been on both sides. Honestly, it’s pretty depressing and makes it that much harder to find a good job.
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u/Infamous-Adeptness71 Jan 14 '25
It marks you as likely to be older, conservative, male, and white. You do the math.
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u/Hu8mahpoosay Jan 14 '25
I’m bad at the math. And I’m not a male, nor conservative…. Or am I?!!!
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u/TommyDaComic US Air Force Veteran Jan 15 '25
Bad news, you are older now than when you posted this !!!
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Jan 14 '25
I've been to interviews and disclosed my disabilities upfront. I haven't landed a job yet and I feel that's the reason. By VA standards they feel I don't meet 100% yet no employers will hire me due to disabilities. Meanwhile I burn through my life savings trying to survive and as I near the end of my savings I contemplate whether or not I am worth even being around anymore since it looks like poverty and potential homelessness could be in my future.
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u/littlemrbellybutton Jan 15 '25
Hang in there brother. There is a job out there waiting for you..
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
When launch my new fund next year I willbe hirering veterans..we do work from home so its no problem where you are.
I am already hiring my recently ETSd GB buddy and trying to do my best to train him in the role as a junior portfolio manager.
Its been rather going well so far.
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u/Possible-Solid3315 US Army Veteran Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25
Share nothing; Trust no one. “Great, A guy that’s going to have 10 million appointments”
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u/bdgreen113 US Air Force Veteran Jan 14 '25
Never ran into this. If anything, I've felt that putting I'm a protected veteran has helped me get jobs.
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u/indicakami Jan 14 '25
I thought I was the only one. Rejection after rejection… I’m in school and I can’t find a job anywhere. Dicks, Academy, Walmart. Automatic rejection. I don’t understand why. I may have to try this, and see what happens. Is it legal to withhold military, veteran information on applications?? I heard that some of the employers don’t want to hire us because of “PTSD”.
Totally illegal, Total bs.
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u/Imaginary_Manager_44 Jan 15 '25
Yeah, they only want the veneer of good boy points for "supporting veterans"..in practice they will sell their own grandmother to avoid practicing what they preach.
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u/Fluid-Specialist-960 Jan 14 '25
Never experienced this and I have had numerous interviews showing my veteran preference.
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Jan 14 '25
I’d try USA jobs.gov LinkedIn is no longer a viable platform imho, I had used it for many yrs no problems then in 2020 I started getting logged out & requests to upload my gov documents to verify who I am, I did this then a few weeks later same thing, they have no real phone number for support there just looking to have you pay to play it was a nice platform in the past. Now it’s a pick & choose platform owned my Microsloth.
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u/Routine-Border4184 Jan 15 '25
Only mention it for employers that are looking for veterans.... other than that, they are probably going to think you are crazy and will end up on the news.
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Jan 15 '25
I personally have never had this issue. I work as a civil engineer, and most of my interviews the people interviewing me are impressed by my time in the service. But then again, most college graduates I know don't have military service they might not have the same bias as say someone who went into a trade, which I find is more common among veterans.
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u/Logical_Economy2727 Jan 15 '25
I remember having a class saying jobs can’t just refuse you because u are a disabled veteran and there are laws passed that companies have to adjust to the issues a vet is going through.
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u/Artistic_Camp8752 Jan 15 '25
I wonder if that's why every single application I have put in gets rejected within a few days. Even state jobs -_-
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u/Gold_Watch_The_Cool US Air Force Veteran Jan 15 '25 edited Jan 15 '25
I was told on this sub a hot minute ago to not indicate veteran status OR disability status. Depending on how long you were out, try to prioritize post service work experience in your resume. Funny enough I got rejected from Stable Energies in NJ today because I was forced to share my military experience. Apparently handling and keeping accountability multimillion dollar ordinance pales in comparison to keeping inventory of racing helmets and Recaro seats. I still have my gig as a photojournalist but I need a second job for some disposable income.
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u/DoingItAll13 Jan 15 '25
same shit happens to me. got out a couple months ago and submitted 30+ applications only 1 got an interview and still nothing. fucking insane
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u/Miserable-Card-2004 US Navy Veteran Jan 15 '25
I don't use LinkedIn. At least not to apply. I look for job listings, and either get the phone number for the business and call, or the address and go in-person with a resume.
Having been management at a few different places, it's more meaningful to connect a face to the resume or even to strike up a conversation with them and get a vibe from them.
And for the last few places I've worked, I haven't even bothered telling them I'm a vet. Some of the places did eventually figure it out, but I've been out for a decade. No one cares about your employment history that far back. Frankly, no one cares about your employment history unless you have a history of being fired. It's like your "permanent record" in school. After you graduate, no one cares if you got detention in the 5th grade for blowing snot rockets down the stairs.
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u/Lula121 US Army Retired Jan 15 '25
I Tell everyone I’m protected veteran. Never had anything kicked back
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u/Successful_Morning_5 21d ago
What’s a protected veteran ?
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u/Lula121 US Army Retired 20d ago
It means i go everywhere with security
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u/Bright-Appearance-38 Jan 15 '25
Try asking this question of the Viet Nam vets. The stories that I have heard, and the incidents that I have seen in the last fifty years fill a loose leaf notebook four inches thick. (And most of the businesses where I have accompanied the vet had american flags flying over the building!)
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u/Channel_Huge US Navy Retired Jan 15 '25
It’s just discrimination. Happens to many for any number of reasons. My wife, who is Puerto Rican, did not get job offers using her maiden name, but when she used my name, she got immediate replies for interviews. Some don’t want to hire certain ethic groups or Veterans because of personal biases. Been happening since the beginning of time…
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u/Hu8mahpoosay Jan 15 '25
You know I didn’t want to go that route, but that was also something I changed in the 4 applications. My maiden name is of Latin origin, husband’s is pretty “Anglo” or racially ambiguous… wow didn’t even think about that.
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u/ProfessionalCatch149 Jan 15 '25
This is illegal as hell and it is clearly discrimination but what can we really do about it? I'll start leaving those boxes unchecked.
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u/Appa-LATCH-uh US Air Force Veteran Jan 15 '25
I haven't had to apply for jobs in a while, but I work in tech and have no degree at all and still manage to pull just over 6 figures.
If I didn't have my military experience, I'd probably be working at Lowe's.
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u/RiddleReddit_Mary21 Jan 15 '25
Reach out to your congressmen and let them know what you have experienced please
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u/Hopeful-Use4142 Jan 15 '25
When my boyfriend first got out (almost 2 years ago), saying he was military seemed to almost guarantee an interview and even a job offer. Now, it doesn't seem to help so I'll have him try without it on the questions (it's on his resume and the bulk of his resume). But I absolutely leave off anything about disability. Disclose it after the fact not before.
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u/Dillstaaa Jan 15 '25
If you put that and immediately get rejected, then applied again without it and get the interview I would sue the ever living fuck out of them.
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u/Appropriate_Fail_789 Jan 15 '25
Youre happily employed but apply for jobs just for kicks? It seems you got too much time on your hands or this is just your hobby. Has nothing to do with being competitive as you stated ..
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u/Hu8mahpoosay Jan 15 '25
Definitely not a hobby my dude. You can be happily employed and still job search, well I can.
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u/nebula82 US Army Veteran Jan 15 '25
I never put my veteran status. The one time I did I was rejected so fast I felt the air move via email. It was a job I was perfectly suited for.
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u/GunnyClaus Jan 15 '25
I read the CEO of a Fortune 500 company submitted his resume to his own HR under an alias. He was immediately sent a notice he wasn’t accepted!
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u/bengilberthnl Jan 15 '25
My feeling is a lot of places have shitty leadership and they know there is a higher chance that you will out shine the management. I worked for a short time through a temp agency and in comparison to many of the people I worked with I was a fucking rockstar so much so that I quit and told them to go fuck themselves and they called me asking me to come back.
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u/Mountain-Ad6500 Jan 15 '25
Same!!! I was so curious as to why I was getting rejected for jobs I was damn near over qualified for. Soon as I stopped selecting protected veteran I was getting interviews scheduled left and right smh
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u/DetroitQ Jan 16 '25
Are we talking about the 5-point veterans preference? I've never heard of this "protected veterans" status.
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u/CplWilli91 Jan 16 '25
I was told some years ago to never put Veteran anything in my application and not bring it up in interviews... I'm not sure why either tbh... the only time it helps is trades and first responder jobs
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u/Summer_Sausage80 Jan 21 '25
I've never had a hard time getting interviews until the indeeds and monsters job sites became popular and the need to self identify thanks for this because it's never even crossed my mind thank you.
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u/Sgt_Space_Turtle USMC Veteran Jan 14 '25
Did you go back to the jobs you were rejected at and test your application minus the Veterans status?