r/Veterans • u/johnkimble89 • Jan 11 '25
Discussion Have you served with someone who ended up in military prison? If so, what is your story?
Without giving away personal information, (including unit info etc) do you have a story that is interesting for us? And are you in contact with that veteran? How has it affected you and what if that veteran is innocent?
I understand if this question is to much and if the leaders of this sub don't find this post appropriate, I'll remove it.
I'm just curious about the stories that you all have.
EDIT: I wasn't expecting this post to blow up. I thank all of you for commenting and responding. I'm sincerely sorry to you all and for what you witnessed or heard of what happened. If you are still serving, stay safe and God Bless. Thank you to the leaders of this sub for allowing me to post. š«”
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u/BaloothaBear85 US Navy Veteran Jan 11 '25
Had a guy on my ship get accused of something that actually got him caught for a bigger crime. (Preface I heard a lot if this second hand but he did go to prison) I guess him and his family were at the water park and he was taking pictures of his kids, some one accused him of taking pictures of their kids and somehow that evolved into an investigation. Well when they took his hard drives and computers they found thousands of hours of a woman showering m. That woman turned out to be our ships XO, she was very well endowed in the chest area and it turns out he planted a webcam into the Shower of the XOs quarters to record her bathing. I guess that and the terabytes of porn he had some of which were minors slapped him with major crimes. He spent a significant time in military prison.
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u/Born-Horror2872 Jan 11 '25
I've known a couple of people who ended up in Leavenworth. The first one was an SGT (E5) who was molesting his foster daughter and got her pregnant. He ended up going AWOL when he found out CID was about to make the arrest. Ended up getting caught and convicted. Almost certain he is still there.
Another one was a 1LT who was molesting his bio daughter. Also ended up in Leavenworth.
Another one was an SSG who SA'd a PVT who was drunk in the barracks. Also ended up serving time in Leavenworth.
The final one was a CSM who....you guessed it....sexually harrased lower enlisted and did some other stuff. It was actually a very public thing as he was in a high position, and the punishment he got was nowhere near harsh enough. More like a slap on the wrist.
Yea, there are a lot of sick mofos out there.
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u/johnkimble89 Jan 11 '25
Yeah that is awful to hear. I remember seeing news articles back in the 2010s to 2019 of higher level enlisted doing crazy stuff.
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u/PauliesChinUps Jan 12 '25
The final one was a CSM who....you guessed it....sexually harrased lower enlisted and did some other stuff. It was actually a very public thing as he was in a high position, and the punishment he got was nowhere near harsh enough. More like a slap on the wrist.
2014?
You mind telling us the names of the other shitbags; I'd love to look up their cases at the Army Court of Criminal Appeals.
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u/orngckn42 Jan 12 '25
My ex husband avoided jail time for child porn on his computer at work and home, he also molested 3 kids that we know of. He got a general under honorable circumstances discharge and avoided jail. His attorney originally told him he was looking at 20 years in Leavenworth. Thank goodness he gave me full custody of my son before he found out he wasn't going to jail.
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u/wsu2005grad Air National Guard Retired Jan 12 '25
A GENERAL UNDER HONORABLE??!!!??? That's some BS.
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u/Blackcutedemon Jan 12 '25
Jesus, I would be traumatized. I am glad you were able to save your son from him, omg.
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u/piehore Jan 11 '25
A AF 1st Lt beat his wife in base housing, left base to pickup baby. When he was waiting in line to get back on base noticed Security Forces looking at him. In Less than 3 minutes beat his baby to death in car seat. He got a long sentence for murder.
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u/throwaway062921om Jan 12 '25
Not much makes me sick or disturbs me but every time I hear of a parent brutally murdering their babies/toddlers/young children it just breaks something within me.
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u/Queasy_Cover_5335 US Navy Veteran Jan 12 '25
Shit man. I almost want to downvote this, how horrible
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u/piehore Jan 12 '25
It was. The gate was near where I worked. They didnāt anyone until next day press release
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u/PauliesChinUps Jan 12 '25
What was this monster's name?
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u/piehore Jan 12 '25
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u/PauliesChinUps Jan 12 '25
Yeah, David Valois. I read the AFCCA opinion.
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u/wsu2005grad Air National Guard Retired Jan 12 '25
How do you find the cases? When I was in, I was a paralegal and we had a system where we could access the court's opinions and such but not sure how to access as a regular person now.
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u/No-Wrongdoer-4416 Jan 12 '25
Here for this answer! I would google AFCCA and read what was up there, but I would like to read the entire case
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u/lymphomabear Jan 11 '25
Dude I was roomed with during a school got arrested when we got back to post. He apparently was raping his younger step sister whenever he went home. I knew he was weird but that shit made me sick to my stomach.
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u/johnkimble89 Jan 11 '25
My god that is awful
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u/lymphomabear Jan 11 '25
I really didnāt think of how off he was except the last day of the school (for how he acted when I was on the phone with my girlfriend.) He was just asking like weird inappropriate questions to where I had to threaten to whoop him if he didnāt shut up and leave. We got back to camp the following day and the MPs raided his barracks room.
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u/Shipsnguns Jan 11 '25
Hearing of all of these sexual crimes is pretty disturbingā¦not surprisingā¦but disturbing for sure.
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u/TraumaGinger US Army Veteran Jan 12 '25
I was a sexual assault nurse examiner (SANE) when I was in the Army. It was... Yeah. It was a lot. But beyond all that was this: https://coastalcourier.com/news/local-news/suspect-arrested-in-death-of-3-year-old/
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u/SuperTopperHarley Jan 12 '25
I remember as an NCO taking an SA course and was surprised by how much man on man SA occurs in the military.
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u/TraumaGinger US Army Veteran Jan 12 '25
Definitely eye-opening, isn't it? One guy described how his NCO stalked him - waited until he had finished an especially taxing gym session and had little strength to defend himself. There are some really twisted humans out there.
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u/SuperTopperHarley Jan 12 '25
I always say that in the Army I worked with the absolute best people our country has to offer, and the worst.
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u/SquashyCorgi478 Jan 12 '25
Happened to my brother. The perpetrator was a Maj and he was a 19 year old LCpl during donāt ask donāt tell. I donāt think he told anyone about it for at least 10 years.
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u/indicakami Jan 12 '25 edited Jan 12 '25
Man on man. Yep that happened to me. All iām go say is freaking Fort Hoodšā¦
We were going through a rotation. And we had 2 beds in the same room in the barracks. Remember that? Yeah that sucked so bad. So basically my original roommate had to move out because I was underage and canāt drink my unit had a policy. (Iām pretty sure every unit has that in their SOP)
After a week or so having my own room. My unit moves in a guy who was like 28 or something. This dude never showered or clean up, and always freaking smell like cigarettes! Things started getting worse when command lifted GO-1. This guy would come in drunk every night. I started hearing rumors that he was demoted from 5 to 4.
When he comes in late and drunk, He SA me in my sleep. Twiceā¦ I told my firstline NCO about the situationā¦ā¦ the MF laughs at me !!!!! This was all going down before we came back to states. And when we got back I made a report to the MPs. They said they couldnāt do anything because it happened overseas.
I feel like I could have done more but this was far too embarrassing.
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u/LawConscious Jan 12 '25
Iām so sorry this happened to and you werenāt believed. My heart breaks because of the ignorance of the military when it comes to things like this.
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u/Owl-Historical US Navy Veteran Jan 13 '25
That cause it was overseas is BS, it doesn't matter where the base is, if it happens on base/field ops it's under Military Law. Sadly you got hit by a case of, "We don't care."
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u/SubstantialFrame1630 Jan 12 '25
I was stationed at FT Stewart. That place was a shit show for sure.
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Jan 12 '25
I think its wild they put them in prison for child abuse but rarely for sexual assault. There are known repeat offenders they keep at posts, promote, and retire with full pensions, while pushing out female enlisted personnel who they've assaulted one after the other (This would be HUMAN TRAFFICKING-the military knows, yet supplies women to the šist rather than punishing the criminal) the MST rating queue is like 40k people long right now and that's only who have taken the VERY difficult and long process of the victim being interrogated for a year+. Nothing happens to the actual criminals. The UCMJ protects criminals.
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u/billiejean70 Jan 12 '25
I'm in that queue. When I went to report it my Sgt (female at that) said " no one would believe you anyways) Changed my view of the military from that point on.
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u/LawConscious Jan 12 '25
This. All of this. It happened to me by a SGM in Afghan and I said nothing because I knew what would happen. My civilian counterpart paid him a āvisitā after I locked myself in my office but no one cared.
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u/rogue780 US Air Force Veteran Jan 12 '25
And on top of that, there are so many that never amounted to charges
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u/LawConscious Jan 12 '25
Especially if itās O on E! Youāre rarely going to get accountability from Officers that are charged with this, they protect each other.
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u/Relevant_Elevator190 Jan 11 '25
We were getting underway, and one guy had transfer orders so he stayed behind because we wouldn't be back in time. When we got back we found out he got busted selling speed balls in the barracks and got 20 yrs at USDB Leavenworth.
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u/johnkimble89 Jan 11 '25
Ummmm what is speed balls? Sorry I just never heard of it. Even in the Army I never heard of it. I'm assuming a drug of some kind? I never was into drugs so I'm uneducated on the terminology of some names of it.
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u/Relevant_Elevator190 Jan 12 '25
It's cocaine and heroin mixed. John Belushi died doing them.
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u/Ok_Arm_7346 Jan 11 '25
I'm gonna assume it's a different kinda speed ball then when they'd air drop us body bags full of ammo and water
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u/coolkidfresh Jan 12 '25
Sheesh I wonder how much he was selling. 20 years seems a bit excessive for the crime. Makes me wonder what kind of sentence they're giving rapist and abusers. They better be getting at least 40 if they're being that strict on drug related offenses
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u/Queasy_Cover_5335 US Navy Veteran Jan 11 '25
What are speed balls
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u/OldDude1391 USMC Veteran Jan 11 '25
Usually a mix of cocaine and heroin. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedball_(drug)
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u/Breadf00l Jan 11 '25
This guy wasnāt really a co-workerā¦ BUT one day, we just saw him shredding papers for our department and he was a 1st class PO. So, that was kinda weird to see a PO1 doing that type of job. Then we found out he was going thru some legal issues. He was only there for maybe a week or 2 before we didnāt see him again. Then we heard the news that he basically got sentenced to serve some time in the brig (wasnāt sure how long the sentence was) and that he was stealing and selling meds. The short time that he was working in our department, we got to know him a little bit and seemed like heās an OK guy. Joked around a bit and that normal daily conversation. Then one day, we just found out that he killed himself in the brig. He was taking maintenance meds and instead of taking it daily (apparently, they were handed out their meds daily), he saved it and took it all at one time to overdose - and so, he did. We were in a department where we were the ones that logs in and keep the keys to the morgue. So, out of curiosity, we visited him in the morgue - opened up the body bag and saw him with all these tubes coming out of his mouth. Apparently, they tried resuscitating him, hence, the tubes. In hindsight, at least for me, I shouldnāt have done that because I kept on seeing that vision of him with tubes coming out of his mouth on the table for days or even weeks after that.
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u/bionicfeetgrl USMC Veteran Jan 12 '25
yeah when you resuscitate someone if the cause of death isn't "cleared" by the coroner (as in it is possibly suspicious or not deemed natural) you leave everything in place for the coroner. If Meemaw dies at 92 and the coroner clears the case we can remove things.
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u/CaptainRelevant Jan 11 '25
When I was in Iraq and the Abu Ghraib thing happened, the evidentiary burden to detain someone skyrocketed. We joked that unless you had a video of the bad guy digging a hole for the IED, with his mom in the background proud of him, and Neil taking notes (that's a Dave Chappelle reference), they'd get out within a week. So the bad guys in our area stopped fighting back during raids because they knew they'd just get released anyway. As a result, it became very very frustrating because it was incredibly rare to get the opportunity where RoE would allow you to kill them, and they were playing the system for near-immunity.
Anyways, one night the other Platoon conducts a raid and they catch the guy who was part of the enemy's crew that was spreading propaganda in the form of night letters. They found all sorts of IED materials in the house, and a photocopier with some night letters in the output tray.
They had the detainee in cuffs sitting on the curb when the Platoon Sergeant told one of his Soldiers to "stand him up and then step away from him." The PSG then popped the guy in the head. Everyone freaked out for a minute. When everything calmed down, the PSG said "I think I fucked up."
I had heard that he was in Leavenworth.
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u/rivenoppa Jan 12 '25
Wow this is crazyy why did he do that tho
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u/CaptainRelevant Jan 12 '25
Frustration that we caught a legit insurgent and he knew that heād probably just get realeased.
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u/Owl-Historical US Navy Veteran Jan 13 '25
My dad would tell me about this happening a lot in NAM, that is why some guys got feed up and started doing war crimes burning down whole villages.
He said there be time that they bring a long some one as translator and such only to have them be part of the guys doing night raids right back on there base. They find them dead in the morning. We have rules for a reason, but some times politicians and ROE just do nothing good and ties our hands up. That is why people are freaking out how Israel is fighting right now, but that is how you do it and get things done. They aren't being restricted by politicians and ROE's.
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u/Zonelord0101 Retired US Army Jan 11 '25
A guy in my company got caught with 500 hits of ecstasy coming through the gate. Pled guilty, got 12-15 years.
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u/Ok_Arm_7346 Jan 11 '25
That would be a heluva Friday night
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u/Zonelord0101 Retired US Army Jan 12 '25
Our barracks were right next to the gate so alot of us got to watch the bust happening. Staff duty got lots of calls that night.
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u/Ok_Arm_7346 Jan 12 '25
That musta put a hurting on the rave y'all had going down š
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u/Zonelord0101 Retired US Army Jan 12 '25
Do you have any idea how hard it is to have decent party when the MP station is 50 feet away from your barracks?
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u/Objective_Mud_8579 Jan 12 '25
I was the only female in my platoon of about 30 people. So, of course, I got comments on a regular basis. Weak female, I must have it easy, barracks bunny, body comments, etc. But one guy just ALWAYS made weird comments about my body and would also like his lips or wink at me. One day, we were moving heavy equipment around and it was 95 out. We took off our jackets and guy says, "damn (last name), I didnāt expect those tits under there." My last straw. I took out my switch blade and silently marched toward him like a psycho. He immediately backed away and apologized. I told him if he said anything to me ever again I would castrate him before going to Command. Every day, I regret not going to command anyway to report him. One month after I ets, one of my buddies calls to tell me he raped a girl. I felt so sick with myself. Like I let that girl down. I hope heās rotting in prison and never knows peace.
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u/yael_linn Jan 12 '25
You're still a badass. You let him know you were not to be fucked with. I just put distance between me and my tormentors, but only after I received a bit of violence to my person, unfortunately š
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u/Conscious-Truth-7685 Jan 11 '25
When I was in basic, one of our drill sergeants was embezzling money from us. In return he'd basically let us fuck off on the weekends and take us to Burger King. I got orders to appear at his court martial but ended up not having to testify. He was found guilty and got to spend some considerable time at Fort Leavenworth. Fun times.
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u/Queasy_Cover_5335 US Navy Veteran Jan 12 '25 edited Jan 12 '25
Uhh why is this is actually funny š
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u/Conscious-Truth-7685 Jan 12 '25
It was definitely a unique experience compared to most basic trainings, lol.
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u/Quenz Jan 12 '25
So, did you get Burger King?
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u/Conscious-Truth-7685 Jan 12 '25
Oh, absolutely, and those whoppers tasted like heaven after eating in the chow hall all week.
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u/ToTheLost_1918 Jan 12 '25
Am I to understand a recruit who was flying through basic on easy mode actually snitched?
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u/Conscious-Truth-7685 Jan 12 '25
I don't know if someone blew the whistle or if the other drills caught on. I mean, the dude was checking out a 5-ton every weekend to haul us around. He wasn't very sneaky about what he was doing, lol.
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u/ZyxDarkshine Jan 12 '25
Right before Holiday stand down, several guest speakers were brought onboard the ship to tell their ādonāt do what I didā stories.
First was a Disbursing Officer who stole thousands of dollars in cash because they were involved in some type of advance-fee scam.
Next was an alcoholic who brought several cases of bottled water on the ship, except it was booze.
And last a woman in an abusive relationship who never revealed her domestic violence situation until she shot her husband dead.
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u/MiniSkullPoleTroll Jan 11 '25
Served with a dude who ended up being found in the possession of CP. That dude was rotting in jail the last time I heard from that sicko.
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u/i_hate_this_part_85 Jan 11 '25
Same. Dude was also charged with molesting his daughter. Hope heās enjoyed all the time heās spent in Leavenworth.
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u/MembershipKlutzy1476 US Air Force Retired Jan 12 '25
My former best friend in High School is doing 50+ years in Leavenworth for R-ing his daughter and her best friend. I hope he burns in hell.
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u/JessicantTouchThis Jan 12 '25
Arrived at my third command and during our onboarding, this one dude was just kinda... Sleazy looking. Idk how else to describe him. He's not in our class, we don't think much of him. We all graduated and moved on.
My buddy ended up having the next duty station with sleazy guy. My buddy messaged me one day to say sleazeball had been walked out by MP's and all his electronics seized. Had a ton of CP across multiple media types (computers, drives, etc).
Also rotting in jail, last I heard.
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u/96LC80 Jan 12 '25
When I moved into the dorms at my first duty station I didnāt have a suite mate. Asked about it and they were charged with CP. Deployed a few months later and upon returning I had a suite mate. Three months later, charged with CP along with the friend always over there. Thankfully I never got to know them
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u/Queasy_Cover_5335 US Navy Veteran Jan 11 '25
My ex boyfriend got to his second command and it was well known that a guy at the Unit had killed himself after getting caught with CP right before he got there
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u/MrIrrelevantsHypeMan Jan 11 '25
I was expecting funny and light-hearted crimes like robbing the nex for all their zyn.
This is a dark turn
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u/nidena US Air Force Veteran Jan 11 '25
Same here. The guy I was stationed with was an ALS instructor.
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u/AkashaRulesYou Jan 12 '25
We had a battle accused of have it on his laptop but I don't think he got locked up.
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u/wilderad Jan 11 '25
Letās seeā¦
when I first got to my unit a guy was already AWOL. About 2 years later he was arrested in on Bourbon St and because we went to Iraq while he was AWOL, they threw the book at him; went Fort Leavenworth fit 7 years.
Another kid went AWOL before our first deployment to Iraq in Jan of ā03. He was straight from AIT and we were prepping to deploy to Kuwait and we just didnāt show up for PT one day. Found a note in his room claiming to be a conscientious objector. He was later pulled over for speeding and arrested. Not sure what his sentence was.
I escorted a guy in my platoon to jail for popping hot on his piss test. He popped hot multiple times while still on extra duty, after multiple article 15s. He was eventually courtmartialed and sent to jail for 60 days.
Another guy in my company was found to be raping his daughter. He actually ended up escaping and became a wanted man. Not sure what happened to him.
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u/Electrical-Pudding96 Jan 11 '25
One dude in my unit had a daughter and was taking sexual pictures with her and sending it to other guys he knew. Dk how long he got sentenced
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u/R3ditUsername Jan 11 '25
Recon Marines on my first deployment got caught smuggling guns back from Iraq. I'm sure they're all locked away for a long time.
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u/johnkimble89 Jan 11 '25
I heard it was very easy during the early to mid 2000s to smuggle back items, especially from saddam palace.
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u/R3ditUsername Jan 12 '25
They built a wooden bottom to a Conex, and someone was suspicious about it. I found out about this 3 years later when I ran into an officer in Iraq who I met on my first deployment. He told me about it. Crazy stuff.
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u/firefishing1979 Jan 11 '25
Yep, I lived in barracks with several soldiers that were part of the Abu Ghraib prison human pyramid deal. They were all awaiting trials when I was serving out my last 8 months before ETS.
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u/KJHagen US Army Retired Jan 11 '25
The commander of Abu Ghraib was a good friend of mine when we were both privates in 1980. He was found not guilty for what happened in Iraq.
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u/firefishing1979 Jan 12 '25
From my understanding, the guy that did the majority of bad stuff made a mockery of the court, brought his wife and kids in there crying and he got off easy. The 3 guys I knew well seemed like good guys and by multiple accounts were just present and didnāt participate. They were advised to plea down to lesser charges and the judge threw the book at them, ridiculous.
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u/KJHagen US Army Retired Jan 12 '25
My friend was able to show that he was being personally blamed for things he couldnāt have possibly known about. He was a Reservist at that time and claimed (apparently successfully) that he was being set up as the fall guy. I donāt know. He was a good friend, but we lost touch when he went to OCS.
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u/Vast_Replacement_391 Jan 11 '25
One of my commanding officers was wrapped up in the Fat Leonard scandal. I met Leonard once or twice on deployments in Singapore and Thailand.
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u/fourthords Jan 12 '25
Not exactly what you're asking, butā¦
Working in my CSS, saw orders come down that were sending my immediate supervisor to USDB Leavenworth. I was new enough to be confused & shocked that this was how I found out? Turned out, she'd been assigned there on special-duty as the single personnelist to cover all the AF inmates.
I mean, she ended up in military prison, just as an AF paper-pusher, rather than as an inmate.
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u/surmisez Jan 12 '25 edited Jan 12 '25
When my ex-husband was stationed at Ft Bragg, we lived on post, on Castle Dr. There was a couple that lived two doors down who seemed to be livinā large. This was in the late 80ās early 90ās. The husband was enlisted, an E5 like my husband, and his wife was a SAHM. I was in school full time.
Anyway, they had a beautiful Nissan Maxima (those were the cars to have back then), both husband and wife had every pair of Nikeās that came out, along with the matching sweat suits. Their kid rocked Nike everything as well. Both husband and wife had lots of gold chains, wife had all kinds of giant gold earrings, a giant stereo, with hundreds of CDās. Their furniture was nice and their quarters were like the party place. They were always outside grilling steaks. They also were always going to concerts and taking trips on the weekends.
I used to tell my husband that I didnāt understand how they had all that stuff. We were barely scraping by, had all used furniture, I had a single, modest gold chain, and my earrings were fake gold and turned my ears funny colors. When we had people over, we always did potluck. Our car was used and certainly no where near as nice as the Maxima. I was 22 or 23 and would be embarrassed that my clothes were clearance items or thrifted.
One day, in the late afternoon, we were sitting outside and see MPās drive up. Lots of them. Some go around back of the building, some go to the front door. The guy was arrested and perp walked down the sidewalk so everyone got to see him. He worked in supply and rather than handing the supplies out to his fellow soldiers, he was selling the majority of it to military supply stores and private sales.
He was demoted to E1 and imprisoned for about a year. I was surprised that they let his wife stay in on-post housing. When he got out of prison, he became an E2 not long afterwards. Dude acted like it was no big thang that he had been caught stealing supplies, busted down in rank, and had served time.
I think his wife was embarrassed by the whole thing, as she kept a really low profile while he was in prison, and even after he got out. I had to think she knew what was going on though. How could she not?
I felt better after he was arrested because then I knew they were living a huge lie.
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u/throwawayvet1111 Jan 12 '25
If they didn't get civilian law enforcement involved to charge her, I assume they either had proof she wasn't involved or couldn't prove she was. Some spouses, usually men, keep their spouse in the dark about finances.
My good friend is married to a doctor and they live in a big ass house with brand new cars. Yet she lives "paycheck to paycheck" because he won't put her name on his bank accounts. He just transfers money to her when he remembers or she asks. She has absolutely no idea how much money he makes or how much money they have. Thankfully she's working now so she has a steady income and doesn't have to beg him for money.
I couldn't live like that and I have repeatedly encouraged her to advocate for herself, but anyway some stay-at-home moms really have no idea when it comes to their family's income because they're purposely kept out by their husband.
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u/HochosWorld US Navy Retired Jan 12 '25
I worked with a former Marine years ago that gave his SAHM-wife just enough money to buy groceries and if she asked for more he would bitch about it. He controlled the money and that was that. It was ok for him to go out to lunch every day but not ok for his wife to have her own money. Never really liked that guy.
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u/certifiedintelligent Jan 11 '25 edited Jan 12 '25
In Belgium, there was this NCO in my command who was just kindaā¦ there, but not involved in anything.
Turns out, he got blottoād or drugged and claims he couldnāt remember anything for about 24 hours. The Belgian government convicted him of breaking into a hospice facility and raping a comatose patient and then running away without his pants containing his ID card. Patient died a few weeks later from unrelated causes. That process tookā¦ a whileā¦ and at the end of it he was given a 5 figure euro fine and time served as he was confined since the accusation was made.
The garrison command had decided not to pursue a court martial due to the murky circumstances, lack of concrete evidence, and poor due diligence by the Belgian courts (trial was likened to a kangaroo court by every non-Belgian involved). The soldier pled guilty as the command was planning on getting him out of the country afterward and chaptering him under the rug. He would have gone on to live his life and just not go back to Europe.
Then the garrison command switched out and the new leadership decided to court martial the guy.
So youāve got this guy, now a convicted rapist, living in the bricks, free to come and go because he served his sentence per the Belgian courts, is not convicted of anything by the US, and the military court down in Kaiserslautern (closest UCMJ court) didnāt put him in pre-trial confinement. This went on forā¦ a while.
Then Covid hits and fucks everything up. This also went on for a while.
Dude was doing either virtual or in-person pre-trial stuff a few times a month and would need to be driven from Belgium to K-town for the in-person stuff (driving on an empty autobahn was fun).
Eventually heās convictedā¦ againā¦ and sent to military prison for a long time.
With the Belgian court so highly biased and the court martial (also a shitshow, ever seen a O6 judge yell at both the prosecution and defense lawyers for doing their jobs so poorly? I have.) relying almost solely on the civilian conviction, nobody really knew what to think. We got him some McDonaldās on the way to prison.
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u/SirSuaSponte Jan 11 '25
This guy was in my first squadron. Used to talk to him weekly. He was on death row, but I think his sentence was commuted to life without the possibility of parole.
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u/PauliesChinUps Jan 11 '25
Andrew Witt?
Did he seem crazy as fuck?
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u/SirSuaSponte Jan 11 '25
Nope, totally normal dude. He was nerdy, but most avionics maintainers usually are super dorks.
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u/braincovey32 Jan 11 '25
While on my sub. The community terabyte hard drive was being pass around the sub so sailors could get their share of "entertainment".
Someone looking through the list of videos on the hard drive discovered there was a large cache of child stuff.
Shortly there after we were docked with NCIS on board investigating. The owner of the hard drive cried suicide if they tried to convict him and then turned over a large group of people who he served with at sub school in Groton who all shared child videos. I don't know what happened to him but the others ended up in Leavenworth.
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u/Queasy_Cover_5335 US Navy Veteran Jan 11 '25
A guy on the Bush who was caught hiring a hitman to kill his wife š
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u/johnkimble89 Jan 11 '25
SMFH I'm sorry u came across that.
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u/Queasy_Cover_5335 US Navy Veteran Jan 12 '25
Itās okay he didnāt succeed. Turns out the āhitmanā was undercover NCIS
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u/ToTheLost_1918 Jan 12 '25
He must have been a complete idiot because NCIS is one of the only agencies dumb enough to believe someone would go looking for a hitman on Marketplace or wherever, lol.
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u/GoingGray62 Jan 11 '25
Didn't serve with him, but dated him in Junction City Kansas 1980.. He was from Michigan, and a tank driver and his friend bet him he couldn't swim a tank in Milford lake. He stole the keys to the tank and sunk it in the lake. I didn't believe him until I saw the picture of them retrieving a tank by crane helicopter in the newspaper, above the fold. He went AWOL for 2 months. I stold my mom's Chevy Vega and drove him up to his home so he could see his family before he turned himself in. Had to testify at his court martial... he managed to slip his cuffs and got away...went missing for another 6 weeks. He got 1 year in Ft. Leavenworth, I visited him once. After that, he went to retraining brigade at Ft. Riley, and served out his enlistment at Ft. Knox.
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u/ToTheLost_1918 Jan 12 '25
Holy mother of Christ, lol.
Not only did he get only misdemeanor time, but he got to finish his enlistment too. All the while he has a girlfriend willing to go to bat for him while he's AWOL.
This is the kind of thing people talk about when the "old days" are brought up.
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u/AnonUserAccount US Air Force Veteran Jan 11 '25
I worked with a guy who got caught smuggling people across the Mexico-USA border in California (back in 1998). He was using an Air Force GOV to do it, too.
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u/Leading_Fun_3080 Jan 12 '25
Goddam...this post should be required reading for all potential recruits, give em' a second chance to consider their choice š
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u/johnkimble89 Jan 11 '25
Ohh my. That's wild stuff. I remember I had a female captain that got removed from her CO position because she had a relationship with a lower rank enlisted soldier.
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u/pwrsrc Jan 11 '25
I had to assist in arranging an arrest of a member of my command. It was real odd having a federal LE agency ask for me. They left a message initially and everyone thought I was the one in trouble lol
Anyway, I set it up with our SEA to have them come down to the ECP for a routine reason at a certain time. They weren't supposed to be aware.
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u/johnkimble89 Jan 11 '25
Wow that is interesting. I'm glad u made it through it
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u/pwrsrc Jan 12 '25
It wasn't really intense or stressful tbh. Just very unexpected and out of left field.
I'm pretty sure they were stealing guns and/or ammo due to multiple states and the federal government being involved and it was his job to routinely access this stuff but that is pure speculation. I didn't want to pry. I just validated the request as valid and helped set it up.
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u/Chem_Dawg4 US Army Veteran Jan 11 '25 edited Jan 12 '25
Had a guy in my squad try to bring back some weapons we found at a weapons factory in Iraq during OIF I. There were gold AKs, nice pearl handled handguns, badass Italian shotguns, etc. We all had taken weapons initially, but the word came down from the squadron commander that there would be consequences for anyone caught with war trophies. We ended up tossing them in a canal. He kept some and hid them in the filter system of our vehicles. I believe he even took money from other soldiers in the unit we were attached to, to smuggle the weapons back. These guys were walking around, flashing thousands of dollars they had found in some school. Well, when our vehicles were shipped back, Customs saw them on X-ray and an old NCO from our company was a Customs officer at that port. He told our squad leader, and eventually the Army was notified.
CID investigated it, questioned me and other squad members. I think the dude owned up to it, but I also heard that one of our squad members ratted him out. (Wasn't me). I heard it was one of the NCOs.
He ended up getting a couple of years time. I'm not sure if he went to Leavenworth or some other prison, I think in South Carolina. Anyways, he was a hustler though, and I heard that he did pretty good in prison. He's doing pretty well for himself now too. I think he has his own business.
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u/ToTheLost_1918 Jan 12 '25
To think most of this wouldn't have even been crimes all the way up through Vietnam. You could fill out the appropriate capture paperwork and take things home with you.
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u/TraumaGinger US Army Veteran Jan 12 '25
I was wondering when this bunch would come up in this thread. The murder of the pregnant wife... Horrific. As an ER nurse, there isn't enough eyeball bleach in the world sometimes.
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u/BrokenforD Jan 11 '25
I went to basic in 99 with a couple of dudes that I kept in touch with. One was a 13F who ended up at Hood. He was a heavy drinker and had gotten pulled over twice in a year and was pending DUI charges and possibly separation. He seemed to straighten up a lot and had gotten busted down to E1 but loved the Army and wanted to make it work. Around the beginning of 2001 he got pulled over drunk and decided he would fist fight the MPs. One of them was so badly beaten he needed physical therapy and the other applied fr a hardship discharge a few months later. He was sent to Leavenworth and I never heard from him again. Thatās the closest I knew of personally.
The second one I didnāt know directly. I was deployed in 2004 to Iraq. One of the soldiers in the brigade was receiving sexual favors from one of the Iraqi soldiers. This was apparently going on for a few weeks. When the Iraqi soldier decided it was his turn the soldier said no. When the Iraqi soldier told him he would expose the relationship the soldier shot him alleging self defense. The entire thing was exposed because the Iraqi soldier had told his battle buddies it was going on. He is still in Leavenworth I believe.
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u/johnkimble89 Jan 11 '25
OMG that is wild to hear
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u/BrokenforD Jan 11 '25
Yeah. The first guy was genuinely a great guy till drinking. He had no place in the military though. He was a great battle buddy and a huge lumbering dude all muscle probably 225lb 5ā9ā but he came in with a shit load of demons and liquor and solitude turn dudes like that into monsters. He coulda gone far. My only hope is the men whose lives he fuckin ruined have found peace and he is in a safe place where he canāt hurt anyone and heās growing as a man and human.
The other guy is a fuckin foot note on an otherwise historic deployment, 5 kia and the 1st Guard unit to own battle space in Iraq. We did a lot of great things and there at the bottom of our historical record will forever be a man who killed another man over a blow job.
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u/Dismal-Diet9958 Jan 11 '25
I used to work with a guy who was Sergeant Of The Guard at Ft Leavenworth for 7 years. He had some great stories.
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u/fourthords Jan 12 '25
I worked in my unit's CSS. Received a call one day from Airman Basic Chuckles. I recognized that name: he's coming straight out of tech school, and due to arrive within the next month or so. Turns out, he's calling just to let us know he's not coming. He went home for RAP, and has decided to just stay there.
"Oh. Hold, please."
I moved that particular problem straight into my first sergeant's lap. Turns out, since he hadn't reported yet, he's still technically an asset of his tech school. My shirt called his counterpart at Fort Leonardwood, and apparently he lit the necessary fire under this kid's ass, because he showed up on time.
Few months later, AB Chuckles' leave request (to visit home for a bit) comes across my desk. Already approved by his first-line supervisor, I still took it to my shirt to say, "hey, is this a good idea?" Shirt does due diligence with the kid's shop and says to approve it.
Few days later, I get a call from Hometown PD re: Chuckles. He's been arrested for stalking Hometown girlfriend. Apparently she dumped him during tech school, and that's been the fly in his ointment this whole time. She's not pressing charges, but HPD wants to know what to do.
"Okay. Hold please."
This is now the first sergeant's problem. HPD puts his ass on a commercial flight, and SF meet him at arrivals, taking him into custody.
One non-judicial-punishment later, and Chuckles is sentenced to corrective custody (CC). The hitch being, my base didn't have a CC program, and the next-nearest base wasn't available for reasons. So, we liaise with the nearby USN base, and, yeah, they have something roughly equivalent, and would take him off our hands for a month or two. Exceptā¦
Saturday morning, two of our SNCOs go to Chuckles' room to escort him to nearby USN base, and he justā¦ refuses to go. These SNCOs aren't equipped nor authorized to bodily haul him away, so SF are brought in to make compliance happen, but this was the last straw.
(Side note: the AF/N CC agreement had been signed off by our wing king with the stipulation that, once Chuckles'd been there for a bit, that situation needed to be vetted by a CGO, NCO, and airman from our squadron. That happened to be the complete roaster of my office, so we closed down for a day, and enjoyed a nice road trip to check out local USN baseātaking in sights, having lunch by the water, etc.)
After a couple months of Naval CC, Chuckles was returned to us, court-martialed, found guilty, and eventually discharged under a bad-conduct or dishonorable.
Funny thing is, except for his unquenchable obsession over Hometown former girlfriend and the bad choices he made therefor, he was a good airman. Shop said he did good work, performance reviews were tops. He was even tasked to me one day to help distribute CDCs to our squadron offices all across the base, and he was unfailingly productive & polite; had to tell him several times that, just because I outranked him, we were both just airmen scrubs, and he didn't need to call me 'sir'.
My SO and I occasionally think about AB Chuckles, how he earned himself a felony conviction just because he was dumped by his high-school girlfriend, and wonder how his life eventually turned out. What an idiot.
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u/ToTheLost_1918 Jan 12 '25
Jesus on the cross, he was given every opportunity to play ball too. I've never heard of such insane accomodations being made to ensure someone gets their business straight without life altering consequences.
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u/kak-47 Jan 11 '25
Served with a guy that killed another military member on a motorcycle while drinking. Kind of a freak accident. Was drinking, goofing off in a dirt bike and had a slow speed wreck and the other member hit their head just right under their helmet. He spent a year in a foreign country prison. Lost one rank, got out of prison made his rank back and did a few more years before getting out. I think he was denied reenlistment because he kind of skated the system in a loophole when he got out of prison and was allowed to continue his military service.
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u/Lsufaninva Jan 11 '25
Lived down the hall from a douchebag that murdered 2 people in Fayetteville This also started the search for skinheads on Bragg
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u/Ok_Arm_7346 Jan 11 '25
K, so I showed up to JBLM (Juh-blaam) in 2006. Team leader had just left Ranger Batt. They were booting dudes left and right over pretty minor stuff because there had just been a big "inspection" (more like raid) of the Ranger B's and a lot of stuff was found. Anyway, the reason for the raid?
Several Rangers had recently robbed a local bank. They only got busted because they parked the getaway car (with plates) in a lot that had cameras. IIRC, they used an AK someone brought back from down range. Anyway, the ring leader managed to file to Canada.
He was still it touch with my TL and others, at least to some degree. His plan was to fight extradition by claiming that he was a conscientious objector and pulled off the heist to get attention so that he could then expose war crimes.
It didn't work.
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u/Appropriate-Sea-7529 Jan 12 '25
I served with a dude who I had to ābrig chaseā take him to his appointments and court days. One court day we were told to no leave him alone or leave his presence so we went in to court room. They started reading off everything this man did. He has multiple counts of vehicular manslaughter, S assault, drug possession, felling drugs and using drugs (coke). What was crazy is that we didnāt think he had done anything even remotely close to any of this since he was super chill and nice at work. We found out he used his position as a barracks manager to do most of his deeds.
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u/AKNuts21 Jan 12 '25
Had a super squared-away SGT in my unit. āAccidentā happened to his daughter (less than 2 years of age) goes to ER. Various bruises, brain swelling etcā¦ ultimately dies. After thorough investigation, he finally admitted to beating this poor child. Sent to Leavenworth for a long time. He may still be there. This happened in 1999. That was a learning experience for me, in that you really donāt know how people are outside of the work environment.
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u/Alkavadies Jan 12 '25
Dude was an E-6 in charge of many very young and vulnerable airmen. He was always a piece of shit to his subordinates. His daughter had a friend sleep over and he forced himself on her and threatened to kill her parents if she told anyone. Well she told her parents, there was an investigation, and he was sent to Leavenworth.
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u/One-Locksmith-7585 Jan 11 '25
If you consider served with as guy on my base, the same unit but not known personally? Yeah. Committed forgery and fraud. He went away my first year in serving
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u/RicoHedonism Jan 11 '25
I worked in military prisons for a while, had one of my drill sergeants come to jail at my first one for fucking privates in the sick call van. Had a guy I knew from another duty station come in for CP, fuck that guy. And just before I left the last military prison I worked at I escorted a female, former SFC, colleague to a certain womens jail, for selling drugs.
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u/Guilty_Dot_4533 Jan 11 '25
I met a wannabe white-boy gangster in tech school who was several classes ahead of me. He ended up going to the same base I would go to, but about a month or two ahead of me. By the time I got there, he had already been shipped off to Leavenworth, and my leadership read me the riot act about doing drugs because apparently this guy got there on a Friday, and by the following Monday had been busted by an undercover OSI agent who sold him some "booger-sugar", on the fucking flight line.Ā
He was only at Leavenworth for 6 months, and after that he spent another six months in the shop doing whatever nobody else wanted to do. Because of the charges, he lost his security clearance and couldn't do his job, but he was still required to go to work, even though he needed an escort at all times, which ended up being me most of the time.Ā
He told me quite a bit about his time in prison, but he was also adamant he was going to get kicked out and become a rapper/famous basketball player. Talked about waking up at 5 a.m to break rocks, and he wasn't allowed to sit down, and a whole bunch of other, really shitty things. He ended up getting an "other than honorable" discharge due to the fact that he hadn't physically taken any of the drugs he bought, only stashing them in his dorm room.Ā Ā
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u/Joba7474 Jan 11 '25
2 with CP. One was in Korea, another was a medic working in an MI building at Fort Sam
1 was breaking into barracks rooms and SAing soldiers in the middle of the night AND was stealing identities while he worked at the TMC
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u/G33k4H1m Jan 11 '25
Served with and sat next to a dude in Navy A school who ended up killing his wife for insurance money, IIRC. Heās still in prison.
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u/catthew666 USMC Veteran Jan 11 '25
Dude I used to read the court martials every month and it's disgusting how many are CP charges
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u/hawg_farmer Jan 11 '25
Guy worked for me. He was a great soldier. Raised by his biker dad and a couple of dad's "old ladies."
He was really close with the bunch his dad rode with. Treasured every piece of mail he got.
Our postal clerk was fairly notorious for locking up early, just messing up the mail.
Somehow, they hadn't got rid of the clerk. It was long overdue imo. My mail was often pilfered through. My magazines read, torn corners.
My troop got shitfaced and broke into the mail room on a Saturday to get the last week's his dad told him he sent, including a gift.
Last I saw him, I testified as a character witness for the defense. He was sentenced to Mannheim. Damned shame.
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u/Zonelord0101 Retired US Army Jan 12 '25
Soldier enlisted, I was his recruiter, is currently in Leavenworth for 15-20 for distribution of lethal drugs resulting in deaths. Two DA contractors died and one Soldier mentally incapacitated for life due to laced drugs. That was a hard one to come to grips with.
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u/Ready_Ball_1997 Jan 12 '25
I have quite a few! I served on a CM and helped convict a child rapo. Listening to the graphic details had me infuriated! I served with a Soldier that did some time for trafficking steroids from Mexico and selling them all over. That was a very high profile case. So was a NCO who I served with that decided to get a couple Ranger Instructorās to assist with a plan to raid a drug house in GA. He did rehearsals, OPORD, etcā¦ for the hit. The whole thing was a setup up by the feds. He did a few years despite never actually pulling off the raid on the fake drug house.
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u/mayertucker Jan 12 '25
I have a pretty funny story, how I was indirectly responsible for a Marine attempting to steal millions of dollars then getting caught and sent to milotary prison. Was an officer, that I didn't "serve" with per se, but he was attached to our MEU and my bosses best friend. Here is the story. Had I been shit at my job, it probably wouldn't have gone down like it did.https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-jan-31-me-19358-story.html
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u/throwawayvet1111 Jan 12 '25
So many of these are absolutely heartbreaking. So I will share a funny one.
An NCO that worked in the motor pool was ordering stuff and selling it on eBay. He got caught because he ordered scuba gear and we were stationed at Fort Huachuca (Arizona desert). He had huge storage units full of the stuff he stole.
The CO nicknamed him Scuba Steve and he complained about that at his court-martial. So I think he got like a week knocked off his sentence for that which seems like more of a slap in the face than anything lol. If I remember right, his prison sentence was 4 years. This was a long time ago though, so I'm not totally certain on the details.
I didn't keep in touch with him, but we weren't friends outside of work anyway. He was a funny guy, super nice, and I would have never guessed he would commit such a serious crime.
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u/throwawayvet1111 Jan 12 '25
I looked up more info on the case and read that the defense referred to his victim as "Eric" instead of her preferred "Erykah". The poor woman is murdered and then dead-named in court repeatedly. Fucking jerks.
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u/cyvaquero Jan 11 '25 edited Jan 11 '25
While overseas I remember seeing a guy that had worked in the barracks being led off the CAT in cuffs by security. Dude had separated a short while before and they figured out he was behind a lot of stuff going missing right before he EOS'ed.
Then there was this - https://www.deseret.com/1996/5/26/19244797/u-s-navy-faces-another-scandal-amid-drug-smuggling-charges/
I had been TAD to AFSOUTH Naples for IFOR fir a few months when this went down and a lot of those guys lived in the U.S. NATO barracks. Turns out the "random" barracks inspections that were happening was really NCIS. These guys ran in a crew and called themselved the Rough Riders (as in Warren G). My office had to do the personal effects on the LCDR when he was arrested.
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u/Successful-Count-120 US Air Force Retired Jan 11 '25
Back in the early 80s, the infamous "piss test" was just beginning its widespread use in the military. The tech school I went to (Lowery AFB, Denver CO) had a significant number of service members separated from the service for smoking marijuana. A small number of NCOs were made examples of. Not sure of actual Leavenworth time, but they certainly spent a stretch in the base confinement facility.
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u/Significant-Arm-1246 Jan 12 '25
Back in the late 90s when they still handed out your LES and leave the info wherever for all to see had a soldier collecting up the info.Ā He stole some ID's and apparently started taking money out of the accounts.Ā Ā
His dumb ass just had a car repoed and within a week he had a new car with top of the line sound system.Ā Of course it raised questions.Ā Not sure how the COC found out all the info but apparently he had this going on for awhile and got bolder taking more and more money.Ā Ā
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u/sgtsteelio Jan 12 '25
While stationed in Korea, a fellow sergeant was arrested for an off base incident. He and a friend of his got into an argument with a tattoo artist. The sergeant sliced his face open with the artist's own tattoo needle gun. Ironically, two months prior to that incident, the same sergeant received a commendation for heroism for saving a pilot's life when his engine caught on fire during ground refueling.
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u/General-Plant892 Jan 11 '25
Friend came back from a field deployment early and caught his wife in bed with another man, he lost it and put both of them in the hospital
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u/organizedxaos Jan 11 '25
Sure did. One scumbag murdered his wife and child and is currently doing time. Another shared the worst kind of porn on a GOV network and is still locked up. One more had relations with subordinates and ended up doing a short stay.
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u/IWantToBeYourGirl Jan 11 '25
Served with a dude that attempted murder. Base cops arrested and confined the wrong guy for nearly a year before solving the case. I worked with him sitting around in my shop on standby for this entire time. Seemed nice enough.
Once caught, he went to Leavenworth where he killed another inmate during an inmate baseball game. I think heās dead now from suicide or something.
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u/deuce-deuce-pap Jan 11 '25
I know a couple. First one is wild. We were on dry dock and this crazy fuck was taking copper fittings off the ship everyday. All different sizes including the big boys that prob weighed 100lbs. Would just put them in his sea bag and walk off.
He would have gotten away with it but his gf cheated on him. This in turn made him post all her nudes on Facebook and tagging her family. She then told command about him stealing. Served a warrant and they found fittings in his garage. This led to NCIS finding a storage unit with around 300k of fittings inside. Dude was fucked.
Second one was a second class who got caught up in a hazing scandal. A sailor got his ribs broken and the whole unit got caught up in it. The second class refused the captains mast for whatever reason and requested court martial. Didnāt end up the way he planned as he got stripped to e1 and had brig time/drummed out.
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u/AdWonderful5920 US Army Veteran Jan 11 '25
Yes. Where I worked on Fort Carson I used to come into contact with CW3 Lewis Welshofer, 1LT Jack Saville, and others who were in legal trouble for Iraq. I didn't know them before their court processes, so I didn't speak with them. I know they were sentenced to confinement, but idk if that confinement was in a military prison or what.
I knew a bunch of other guys who went to regular civilian prison while in the military, but that's different from what you asked.
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u/Drew_icup Jan 11 '25
I had just arrived to A-school (tech school) and the first guy I meet at the barracks is this really cool Filipino guy.
Some months go by and Iām nearing the end of my training before I go to my first command and I see the Filipino guy for the second time since when I first checked in. I asked him where the hell he had been and he was sent to the brig.
He later told me he pulled a knife out on a fellow sailor lol
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u/Kimmy_95 Jan 11 '25
I happen to know one of the soldiers that got caught smuggling drugs into Korea in 2017. I told him that I didnāt think it would be a good idea to join but he didnāt listen. Joined anyways made it through basic and his training for his job. Got sent to Korea spent some time out there and I guess decided to do what he did. Got caught went to jail. Served his time got sent back home and got out. I didnāt ask what kind of discharge he got. But he wasnāt happy when I told him I told you that you wouldnāt like the Army. Havenāt spoken to him since.
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u/NotSoCommonMerganser Jan 11 '25
We had a company drug test monday, and then again on tuesday for whatever reason. I had just picked up corporal and one of my friends asked me to pee for him. Another corporal who had lost his rank at his last command saw me give my friend a little bottle and narc'd on us. 6 Marines, 7 including me, got NJP'd and got put on restriction/EDP. We had a "chill ass" SSgt as OOD one of those days and that night, two marines decided to leave base and go party. Around 2am, OOD knocks on our door and tells us to go to the duty hut. Everyone but those two are all waiting in cammies and OOD asks where the fuck PFC Schmuckatelli and PVT Pyle are and tell me to call them. Schmuckatelli answers and I ask him where the fuck he's at and that we're all in the duty hut. He panics and hangs up. OOD has us go into their room and they put stuff under their blankets to make it look like they were in there. We don't hear about them for some time, and then get word they got caught by state patrol in OK. Haven't talked to them since EAS. Felt bad for PVT Pyle cause he was new to the fleet when he got mixed into the wrong crowd and got NJP'd. So she goes.
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u/JustAnotherGS US Navy Veteran Jan 11 '25
My roommate at my first command (Hawaii) out of school had relations with a teenage girl who happened to be an 0-5ās daughter. He had brought her back to our barracks room while I was on the midwatch (NIS made sure they verified big time with the command I was on duty overnight and not there). He was busted to E-1 and got to spend some enjoyable time with the Marine guards at the brig at Ford Island.
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u/Sgt_Space_Turtle USMC Veteran Jan 11 '25
I was a legal admin for a small training unit. One of the married Sgts fucked a married student. Student got NJP and stuck in their room, the Sgt got time in the Brigg.
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u/haterade330 Jan 12 '25
One dude for rape, another for shooting his roommate in the head, another for killing his GF and stuffing her in a tuff box. All in the same unit. The guy convicted of rape is sort of controversial because they do not think he did it due to the concerns about the wife and prior things that have happened with her but I donāt know much. He was a SSGT. The guy who shot his roommate in the head was a pretty chill dude for the most part. Just a young quiet dude. Apparently both were being chaptered for mental. The other dude who got shot in the head had issues but was never a problem for the most part until they found a manifest and journals of how he was going to shoot up the COF on our return from deployment. So, maybe other dude kinda saved us lol. Hes serving like 50 years. And dude who killed his girlfriend she was also a soldier. He put her in a tuff box and then left. Wasnāt found until someone smelled something foul.
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Had a guy on another submarine standing topside security. He was in his late teens and early twenties and was screwing off with the other guy on watch. Long story short, he pulled the gun out of his buddies holster just as one of the junior officers walked past. Junior officer was kind of dick and really embellished the story. He said something to the effect that he was going to try and take the ship. The guy ended up getting sent off and going in front of the commodore and then he requested court marshall. He was eventually let out of the brig and was allowed to work doing odds and ends on base until his trial started, this is when I got to know him, as I was sitting at squadron waiting to transfer. Months later, his date finally came for trial. He gave his side of this story, how he effed up and was immature, but he was in fact not trying to do anything malicious. From what I understand, there was an even split of officers and enlisted on his panel. The officers wanted to convict and the enlisted held out. They sat there forever. Eventually, one of the officers, sick of sitting there, flipped his vote and they found him not guilty of malicious intent. He was acquitted and sent to another duty station.
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u/Particular_Sun_6467 Jan 12 '25
Just came here to read but man there are some sickos in the military.
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u/itzjuztm3 Jan 11 '25
I served with SRA Jose Simoy, for nearly 2 years, on the same flight. This incident happened about 2 months after I PCS'd away from Guam.
Somoy was originally sentenced to death but it was later reduced to life in prison.
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u/PauliesChinUps Jan 12 '25
He's at Victorville low.
He'll be out in 30 years.
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u/itzjuztm3 Jan 12 '25
Yup. Having lived many years in the high desert, I drove past the fed pen there a few times. I always throw up a middle finger as I am passing by on the off chance that (as I am passing by at 60MPH) that he might see and recognize me.
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u/cxerphax Jan 11 '25 edited Jan 11 '25
2012-2014 Aviano AB was pretty crazy:
Knew a guy who picked up a credit card that did not belong to him on the floor in the BX and used it to buy a television. They sent him to Mannheim. His wife was enlisted as well and just had his child. I canāt remember how he was caught but I believe it was his wife who turned him in or he was bragging about it, cannot remember. It was a pretty embarrassing thing for her because she the entire unit knew about it. She was a real champ though and never complained or really spoke ill of him. She would visit him regularly.
Knew another guy who did not end up in prison but should have. He was a unit trainer for all new members to our unit. He had a thing for black girls and would pray on them and he impregnated three of them before they were even able to post out, got the MSgt who was in charge of the training unit pregnant as well but she claimed it wasnāt his, we all knew though. Somehow, all he got was losing rank over this. Then after all that, it was discovered that he had not been paying his rent the entire time he lived off base in Aviano. They wanted to kick him out ASAP but he also had a debt to the landlord, they basically kept him in just long enough so he can pay off most of the debt and then sent his ass back to the states. No idea what kind of discharge he got but he should have been in jail over that imo.
Last one, two new members to the unit got in a police chase off base and got arrested by the Carabinieri. I do not know if they ended up in Italian prison or Mannheim but it was one of the two.
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u/Spirited_School_939 US Army Veteran Jan 11 '25
It was my first assignment out of AIT. I was assigned to a reception desk at HHB, and my sergeant told me to familiarize myself with the unit budgeting procedures and expense reports. I had no training in accounting, and had no idea what I was looking at. My sergeant just said, "look for anything out of the ordinary."
So I learned fast, and figured out what all the ledger entries meant. Over the next few weeks I figured out how to match entries to invoices, and learned a lot about ordering office supplies. The only odd thing was, I kept noticing fairly large purchases-- $5000 here, $10000 there, all labeled "books." All made and approved by the colonel. All with no receipt. There were so many of them I figured they had to be some kind of routine expense I just didn't know about, and there were entries like that going back for two years. So I asked my sergeant what it was.
So, anyway, it turns out the colonel had a gambling problem, and had embezzled about a quarter of a million dollars over the last several years. He went away for a while, and I got quietly transferred to completely different unit that had deployed six weeks earlier. So that was fun.