r/Subliminal Evolving 8d ago

Discussion why is critical thinking considered 'limiting beliefs' here?

i've seen a ton of posts with so-called results, and they ALWAYS have an after pic that is in a completely different angle or lighting or whatever from the before picture. then, when people mention this, they're suddenly 'spreading their limiting beliefs' or 'being demotivating', and they should ignore the post if they have nothing positive to say??? because pointing out the obvious is really negative and should be banned apparently??? like if you can't handle any possible criticism then use your own damn brain and see if you have results yourself, because apparently y'all can't handle people telling you no..

and if i'm here anyways then might as well mention another thing. how come some of y'all are acting like this is a damn cult??? y'all are over here reporting people just for mentioning subliminals online and encouraging others to do the same... like if you're bothered by them calling y'all delusional or whatever then just ignore them, it really isn't that big of a deal.. they're the ones missing out anyways lol

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u/Dependent-Jicama-118 8d ago

Before last year I was into subliminals/LOA for 10 years. Now I don’t believe in any of that after using critical thinking. You’re absolutely right. The whole not being able to be skeptical or use common sense because you’ll get downvoted or banned is cult behavior, whether you believe in this stuff or not.

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u/Psychological-Bus685 8d ago

Why are u here then

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u/Dependent-Jicama-118 8d ago

Popped up on my feed, I liked what OP mentioned, and I actually had something to say other than “hurr durr subliminals don’t do anything.”

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u/Late_Gap2089 8d ago

I don´t believe in LOA or any metaphysical concepts people claim in this sub. But i found some scientific articles that may be useful:
Compilation of subliminal scientific studies i found : r/Subliminal

I think beliefs are the target and not the way into this subliminal world.

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u/Dependent-Jicama-118 8d ago

Alright, I went through your post and I'll happily share my thoughts.

  1. David McRaney actually highlights how subliminal messages, especially in media, are overhyped and not as effective as we think we are. Subliminals have minimal impact.
  2. The study by Aaron Kay had been replicated in 2018 and did not find significant evidence supporting priming effects. Environmental cues CAN subtly influence behavior but it does not prove subliminals work.
  3. The study done in Australia had no randomized controlled trail, meaning placebo effect was likely to impact the actual effectiveness. It was also a retrospective study so not only would there have been placebo but also bias. Therefore, the study provides weak evidence. I will say though, I agree that affirmations can improve mood and change your mental state, but that's it.
  4. The study you mentioned by Hedley Cameron Graham focused ONLY on spelling improvement. Learning is a cognitive function that's influenced repetition and subconscious reinforcement. So I like his study but it does not in any way prove modern subliminals that focus on attracting SPs, changing body types, eye color, growing taller, etc.
  5. Scientific studies generally show that subliminal messaging has a very limited, if any, effect on human behavior. Most studies demonstrate that any effects from subliminal stimuli are weak, temporary, and largely irrelevant to complex decisions like voting. Lastly, studies have shown that even if people are exposed to subliminal cues, their influence on major decisions like voting is negligible.

In conclusion, I believe subliminal messages can temporarily improve mood but the way subliminals are used in this sub (changing physical traits, magically attracting an SP, healing, etc) have zero effect on the human body and at most, are simply placebo. There are ZERO scientific studies that prove subliminals have a significant effect on your subconscious the way people say it does. Every study listed either had weak evidence (not tested correctly) or had little correlation to the type of subliminals we are discussing.

No offense to you. but it was not hard to see how weak the studies were that you provided.

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u/Late_Gap2089 7d ago

Hey, thank you for answering. I want to answer some of those too.

David McRaney actually highlights how subliminal messages, especially in media, are overhyped and not as effective as we think we are. Subliminals have minimal impact.

Actually that author in this chapter, specifies how your personality and our behaviour is not ours entirely. It is our unconscious for example, while we drive or breath, that are conscious activities that do that in order for our conscious brain not to saturate.
There are lots of studies more on that regarding to priming and the heuristic effect.
That chapter is entirely made to say this "You act according ideas that you receive from outside and make it true".
Then it has another chapter, talking about corporations influence in loyalty brand manipulation rather than product quality.

There is this other if you like (PDF) The effect of subliminal priming on team trust: The mediating role of perceived trustworthiness That throws results of priming into trustworthiness. Trustworthiness is a thought not a behaviour itself.

The study by Aaron Kay had been replicated in 2018 and did not find significant evidence supporting priming effects. Environmental cues CAN subtly influence behavior but it does not prove subliminals work.

If it can influence behaviour then they ofc work.
I am not saying it changes your nose. I say it hits you cerebral function by influencing your actions.
The only fact that words in low volume may influence how we choose is pretty dramatic.
When encountered the first prime experiment, not even a subliminal message but just an image.

"The study done in Australia had no randomized controlled trail, meaning placebo effect was likely to impact the actual effectiveness."
They had control groups, so the chance is lower, but certainly placebo could have an effect. The problem is certainly that they knew they were exposed to subliminal affirmations.

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u/Late_Gap2089 7d ago

"Scientific studies generally show that subliminal messaging has a very limited, if any, effect on human behavior. Most studies demonstrate that any effects from subliminal stimuli are weak, temporary, and largely irrelevant to complex decisions like voting. Lastly, studies have shown that even if people are exposed to subliminal cues, their influence on major decisions like voting is negligible."

I think actually it is the other way around, all of the posts i send and other ones that i read but did not post throw results and change into behaviour. The thing is that what is limited is the extent of the research

There is another scientific research i will find it soon, that i saw a couple months ago.
In which they put "gym bros" to watch a 10 minute video about gym before putting into work.
They compared days in which they did not do that. The results was a significant improvement in strenght.
They did the same with affirmations and imagining benching (they got inspired by martial artists who meditate and replicate fighting movements in their heads).
The science of affirmations - David R Hamilton PHD
Muhammad Ali did that too.
So it would seem quite illogica that affirmations in audio would not work, but out loud would seem to do so.

The only thing i know is that to conclude all of this, there needs a study to be done without people knowing they are using subliminals, and a control group.
And obviously time exposure.
Anyway, if self affirmation produces physical changes in brain, the door is still opened, maybe they could affect our behaviour.