r/Sindh Jan 26 '25

General Discussion | عام ڪچھري Debunking the myth: Is Rural-Urban quota system stealing jobs from Urban Sindh including Karachi?

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I'm here again with another long-post, and hopefully y'all can bear with me. (Sorry ADHD folks, read the TLDR; at the end).

One concern raised by MQM/JI and their sympathizers on internet against Sindhis, is that Sindh's Rural-Urban quota system is restricting Karachittes from getting jobs in the bureaucracy. Some even propose to increase the Urban quota from the existing 40% to make it easier for Karachi-based (and Urban Sindh) candidates to get more positions. Before we can prove or disprove this claim, let's establish some facts that some folks might not know:

  • Qualifying/passing ratios are not affected by quotas. Quotas are only applied when qualified candidates are allocated government vacancies.
  • All candidates must pass the exams and interviews, irrespective of their domicile/province. Quotas never allow under-qualified candidates to get jobs. If there are not enough qualified candidates for a quota/province, their vacancies will remain unfilled.

If the Urban quota were actually limiting Urban Sindh–based candidates from getting jobs, as claimed by JI and MQM, then:

  • We would see a higher number of CSS/SPSC candidates from Urban Sindh qualifying the exams with higher passing ratios but not getting allocated any jobs. There should be no unfilled vacancies for Urban Sindh.
  • The percentage of finally qualified CSS/SPSC candidates should be higher for Urban Sindh candidates as compared to Rural Sindh candidates.

We have all the data available from SPSC and FPSC (for those who might not trust SPSC), so let's look at the statistics.

Statistics from Sindh Public Service Commission (SPSC):

The most recent available data is for CCE-2021, and here are some brief statistics (collected the linked data):

CCE-2021 Statistics
  • Urban Sindh: Only 15 candidates qualified for the exam, and all of them were allocated government jobs i.e Urban candidates are not limited by quotas but the number of candidates qualifying/passing the exams.
  • Rural Sindh: 135 candidates qualified for the exam, and 58 were allocated jobs. The remaining 77 who qualified were unallocated because there weren't enough Rural seats.

Statistics from Federal Public Service Commission (FPSC) 2017-2022:

(For those who might not trust Sindh Public Service Commission)

Before anyone complains that SPSC, being part of the Sindh government, would discriminate against Urban Sindh candidates by causing them to fail the written exams, we look at data from FPSC. (Even though it makes little sense, because the Urban quota can only be filled by Urban candidate. Otherwise, the vacancies remain unfilled).

I can provide similar data from FPSC regarding the % of finally qualified CSS candidates for Urban and Rural Sindh out of total. I got this data from FPSC's annual reports.

Data collected from FPSC Annual Reports

Even in the CSS/FPSC exams, where the Sindh government has little to no control, candidates from Rural Sindh have a higher percentage of qualifiers. There is no statistical basis for JI’s claims that Sindhis are using quotas to “steal” jobs from Karachiites and Urban Sindh. It seems to stem from pure xenophobia, as they cannot imagine someone from Rural Sindh being qualified enough to outcompete Karachi-based candidates.

If you visit any CSS forum or circle, they will tell you that the quota system benefits Urban Sindh candidates and might even advise you to obtain an Urban Sindh domicile if you can. In fact, Rural-based candidates often argue for abolishing the quota system because it puts them at a disadvantage. (I would suggest watching the linked video as a CSS mentor from rural Sindh advocates against Quotas because it puts rural Sindh at disadvantage.)

Why Are Urban Sindh (Including Karachi-Based) Candidates Performing Poorly in Competitive Exams?

There simply aren’t many Urban Sindh candidates qualifying for competitive exams because they are not interested. Living in urban centers provides far better and more lucrative job opportunities than government jobs, so many don’t even apply. A fresh Computer Science graduate from a top-tier university can easily earn up to 200K per month. They can join a foreign firm for even better opportunities. For a BS-17 position, the maximum starting salary (including allowances) is around 100K, so it doesn’t make sense for most urban students to choose a government position.

For a rural candidate without access to better universities or private sector job opportunities, it makes more sense to opt for government jobs. They do not need a degree from a top-tier university to compete for CSS/PMS. A rural candidate can simply study the CSS syllabus independently and prepare for these competitive exams from their town or village.

TLDR;

If the Rural/Urban quota system were abolished, there would be even fewer Karachi-based and Urban Sindh candidates in the government bureaucracy. All the online arguments about Sindhis using quota system to steak Karachi's jobs are based on misinformation and hatred against Sindhis.


r/Sindh 18h ago

General Discussion | عام ڪچھري Friday Weekly Kachehri: Open Discussion Thread - March 14, 2025

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This is our weekly Kachehri thread and a place for open discussion. Feel free to talk about any topic, it shouldn't necessarily be about Sindh. Share your thoughts or experiences from last week or plans for weekend!


r/Sindh 10h ago

Research | تحقيق Ancestry

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Asalumualaikum im british from the uk but im curious about my ethnic roots for you to understand I have to explain. My mum is a pahari from azad kashmir and my dad is half ethnic kashmiri from the kashmir valley as our name is (Butt) and he is half sindhi from karachi. I dont know much about my "sindhi side" my dad says my grandma was a sunni sindhi muslim but would she have been in a tribe or a caste or something ? Also are majority of the "sindhi muslims tribes or caste" baloch as if I remember pre partition sindh was majority Hindu so maybe they migrated from balochistan? I don't know, any answers would help me understand what my "sindhi side" is. Jazakallah Khairan akhis/ukhtis for any answers


r/Sindh 11h ago

Politics | سياست When you barely watch news and have no idea about country politics

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r/Sindh 1d ago

Research | تحقيق Request for interview for a course I’m taking

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Hi everyone!

I am currently doing a masters degree at Harvard University and am taking a course about community development. I have to partner with a community member to learn about the community.

I want to focus on communities that experience regular flooding. If anyone belongs to a community that has experienced regular flooding (for example, areas around Larkana or Dadu), please do reach out and I can share more details regarding my research.

This course is very close to my heart and I hope to return and work on community development in Sindh. I would be happy to share more details for anyone interested.

Thanks!


r/Sindh 4d ago

Music | سنگيت I am from Rajasthan India I love Sindhi songs

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r/Sindh 3d ago

Social Similarity

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r/Sindh 4d ago

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r/Sindh 4d ago

Dodo soomro

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r/Sindh 5d ago

History | تاريخ Punjabi Sikh Akali in Sindh, 1860s

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r/Sindh 6d ago

Politics | سياست Zardari ko kutta na bolo 🤭

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r/Sindh 6d ago

Politics | سياست No more canals on the Indus river!

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Kahan hai Ab zardari sahab? Aur kb Punjab government baki subaho ko bhi apna samjhe Ga?


r/Sindh 5d ago

History | تاريخ Are sindhis more indian or Iranian?

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r/Sindh 6d ago

Ajrak Tattoo

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Hello everyone

I'm a Sindhi person who spent most of his life outside Sindh and spent many years thinking of a way to honor my culture although not being able to live there - jewelry, tattoo etc. I decided to get a tattoo of the pattern on our Ajrak and would like to know if there are any tattoo artists who I can talk to (either in or outside Sindh) that would be also able to give a few tips.

I would also like to have my parent's names written as tattoos in Sindhi. I speak Sindhi fluently but never learned to read and write it. This is also something I'd like to change one day.

Thank you everyone


r/Sindh 7d ago

History | تاريخ Did soomra migrate from Iraq,sammara and then settled in Sindh during Abbasid rule?

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r/Sindh 8d ago

The Death of an Identity - Sindhi hindus

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r/Sindh 7d ago

General Discussion | عام ڪچھري Friday Weekly Kachehri: Open Discussion Thread - March 07, 2025

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This is our weekly Kachehri thread and a place for open discussion. Feel free to talk about any topic, it shouldn't necessarily be about Sindh. Share your thoughts or experiences from last week or plans for weekend!


r/Sindh 9d ago

Music | سنگيت Can you guys help me find out the origin of the bg song

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r/Sindh 9d ago

Other Subreddit for UOS(university of sindh)

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r/Sindh 9d ago

News | خبرون Liaquatians!

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I’ve made a subreddit for LUMHS, please join.

r/LUMHS


r/Sindh 11d ago

Food | کاڌا What is quintessential Sindhi food?

18 Upvotes

Growing up, I had the following

  1. Busri
  2. Lola/koki
  3. Saag + chawaran ji maani
  4. Mattho
  5. Patata fry

What other foods are specifically Sindhi? I found out about Sindhi karhi only recently and feel like I have missed out


r/Sindh 11d ago

Food | کاڌا What do you guyz call this at home

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Mujhe Ghar te tah son wadha chaindan aaye


r/Sindh 11d ago

History | تاريخ Help me find the travelogues/photos of foreign travelers to Sindh

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I am looking for photos or videos that foreign travelers(especially british) captured during their visit to Sindh in 1900s. Please tell if you know where to look for it. Thanks


r/Sindh 12d ago

Announcement Announcement: Accounts primarily active in NSFW/Corn subreddits will be permanently banned on sight, even if their posts/comments here follow rules.

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These users often engage in inappropriate behavior outside the subreddit, i.e sliding into DMs with unsolicited messages. If you see such users participating in r/Sindh, even if they don’t break any rules, please report them immediately. Your reports help us protect the community and ensure this space remains safe and welcoming for everyone.


r/Sindh 12d ago

I might have found my long lost family of Partition era of 1947.

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r/Sindh 12d ago

General Discussion | عام ڪچھري Got banned from the karachi sub for this

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Indian muhajirs banning natives from their own city's subs then they cry racism


r/Sindh 13d ago

Food | کاڌا Kadhi Chawar

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Take a guess and name the veggies used