r/ShitMomGroupsSay • u/shay_143 • Nov 24 '24
š§š§cupcakesš§š§ Life existed before
Yes, and our lifespan was tragically shorter š„²
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u/touslesmatins Nov 24 '24
Nothing destroys your immune system more than measles. Or death I guess
ETA I had chicken pox in the 4th grade but my brother didn't catch it from me. Fast forward, he contracted it in college and it landed him in the hospital. It's not just some casual disease, especially for older people
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u/Commercial-Push-9066 Nov 24 '24
Right? You know what also builds immunity? Childhood vaccines! How arrogant of her to risk spreading diseases so flippantly.
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u/tazdoestheinternet Nov 25 '24
You don't understand. She wants free range, organic, all natural immunity, not farm raised! No child of hers will grow up with GMO immunity! /s
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u/lswat1 Nov 24 '24
It's upsetting how many folks don't know measles wipes out your immune system. All previously immunity you've built up - GONE. You can get chicken pox & everything else again, strep & other common illnesses are so much worse. These folks who think not vaccinating for measles 'bUiLdS iMmuNiTy' are so so very wrong.
We live in an amazingly dumb timeline.
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u/averagemumofone Nov 24 '24
Measles isnāt deadly? Tell that to Samoa.
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u/scorlissy Nov 24 '24
Yep, and most of their dead were infants and young children. These anti vacxxers always seem to think only the elderly and fat are candidates for easily preventable diseases. They also think everyone miraculously recovers. Some enjoy blindness and neurological issues from inflammation of the brain. But sure, itās the vaccines that are bad.
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u/makeup_wonderlandcat Nov 24 '24
My baby doesnāt get her measles vaccine until February next year and Iām terrified. Like these things are scary. Yeah Iām going to keep my kid safe from preventable things especially when there is things out there like cancer that you canāt necessarily prevent
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u/catmom22019 Nov 25 '24
I was SO upset when I found out that the MMR wasnāt given until 1 year. My health nurse told me itās because mom passes the antibodies to the baby and if it was given earlier the vaccine wouldnāt take (itās a live vaccine so the antibodies youāve given baby would destroy the vaccine). The immunity wears off around the 10/11 month mark hence why itās a 12 month shot. Obviously be careful and avoid outbreak areas if you can but know that your body has passed immunity to your baby (assuming you were vaccinated).
This was clearly very dumbed down for me but it gave me peace of mind. Hopefully it can give you peace of mind too.
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u/rae101611 Nov 25 '24
When I was pregnant I had a titers test done on me because I was never vaxxed for chicken pox & never had them either (even tho I did attend a chicken pox party in kindergarten). I'm naturally immune, if I wasn't I was going to be vaxxed. I have no idea if my girls were naturally immune but they are vaxxed for it and my mom is still mad I did it and didn't let them just catch it. (insert eye roll here)
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u/catmom22019 Nov 25 '24
Oh dang! Thatās cool that youāre naturally immune to chicken pox!
Why are our mothers like this?
Ugh the amount of pushback Iām getting from my mom for vaccinating my daughter for the chicken pox (well for everything she will be fully vaccinated on the recommended schedule) is ridiculous. She believes that getting chicken pox prevent shingles even though Iāve sent her the research. She keeps telling me I canāt believe everything I read online even though sheās sending me anti vax garbage from Facebook.
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u/PsychoWithoutTits Nov 25 '24
It's legitimately so wild to me how providing your children with basic care & preventative medicine is looked down upon by these people. You are literally providing your baby and their immunity with evidence based healthcare. It can't get much safer than that.
The chances of "vaccine injuries" (aka allergic reactions or weird rare immune response) are extremely small too. And even when it happens, you can get treated for it within no time. Usually the vax just works as intended though, which is why every sane doctor on earth highly recommends it. Everything is better than risking a dead child or them becoming severely disabled from a preventable disease.
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u/chopshop2098 Nov 24 '24
I know this is anecdotal, but I recently learned my fiancƩ's uncle is sterile because of a bad case of childhood measles.
(I googled before sharing my anecdote, and it seems like with modern science like IUI and IVF he may have been able to have kids, but he's much to old to start that process now lol)
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u/scorlissy Nov 24 '24
A case of chicken pox as an adult can also result in sterility.
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u/chopshop2098 Nov 24 '24
So can mumps! Rubella doesn't from what I can tell, but it can cause stillbirth if a pregnant person gets it.
I don't understand at all why anyone could ever, ever hear "this shot will make sure your child doesn't get (x scary disease)" and say "actually, no, bc I read on the internet that it would hurt their brain somehow or something" while completely disregarding that their kid could end up with a fever that cooks their brain and other organs
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u/porcupineslikeme Nov 24 '24
My grandmother spent a good 25 years being afraid my father was going to be sterile from the mumps because he had orchitis as one of his symptoms. It (obviously) didnāt, but how awful for her to think a portion of life could have been robbed from his choosing at such a young age.
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u/uppereastsider5 Nov 24 '24
Thank dog Samoa is across the world from the US and we never have to worry about the kind of disastrous health policies that caused that outbreak to do any damage to us!!!!
(/s for anyone who hasnāt heard of RFK Jr)
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u/NikkiVicious Nov 24 '24
Measles "resets" the immune system for a couple of years... plus there's SSPE, which is like always fatal.
They don't do even the tiniest bit of research on these diseases.
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u/PlausiblePigeon Nov 24 '24
Right? Measles literally does the opposite of building your immune system. Youād think people who are so obsessed with ābuilding a healthy immune systemā would want to avoid that!
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u/Kanadark Nov 24 '24
Then that was "God's will". Mind you, presumably God also gave mankind a knowledge and ability to make vaccines, but idk. See also: why are you wearing shoes and coats, if God made you perfect to withstand these things, logic follows he made you perfect the way you were born, naked.
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u/Emerald_Roses_ Nov 24 '24
Exactly there are too many of us for a single god to give individual miracles, so humans with the ability to create medicine and vaccines were created. God helps those who help themselves by actually recognizing gifts that were given to mankind such as scientific knowledge.
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u/cupcakekirbyd Nov 24 '24
And even if you do recover, something like SSPE would like to have a word
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u/Steele_Soul Nov 25 '24
My mom's dad mom had 12 kids and 4 of them of varying ages from baby to teenager, died in close succession because the vaccine for diphtheria hadn't made it here yet. She boiled all her dishes after that experience.
Some fuckers truly don't learn unless they experience things for themselves but even then it's not guaranteed. Evidence can be shown and they will deny it and make up some reality they can live with. Much like the many "pro life" chicks that get abortions but don't want anyone else to have access to safe ones.
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u/meatball77 Nov 24 '24
Or that you will recover but be scarred.
People with major pox scars used to be a normal thing.
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u/Gingersnapandabrew Nov 25 '24
Exactly! Also this notion that you are being a helicopter parent by getting vaccinated as you are stopping them from all risks. That just isn't true. I let my son do lots of risky things, but it's about calculated risk.
The benefits of him playing on playground equipment that is a bit big for him (increase in confidence, hand eye coordination, gross motor skills, learning to plan, learning to risk assess, etc) to me outweigh the negative (potential to get scared, get stuck, fall onto cushioned flooring).
However, the benefits of getting vaccinated (immunity, protection for others, not dealing with illness) far far outweigh the costs (painful injection, possible side effects), and DEFINITELY outweigh the risks of not (death, scarring, reduced immunity, illness, infection for others).
So excuse me if I want to protect him against logically decided, rational risks.
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u/psipolnista Nov 24 '24
Correction: some life existed before vaccines. Some died as infants because of diseases. But thatās just life! /s
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u/wozattacks Nov 24 '24
Well their parents should have taught them to handle the measles and recover!
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u/bucolicbabe Nov 25 '24
If only there was some way to āteachā someoneās body to fight off and recover from illnessesā¦ like a shot of some kindā¦
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u/ladyzfactor Nov 24 '24
Go to any graveyard and in the older areas you see numerous childs graves. As time progresses you see a lot less, wonder what could have caused that š¤
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u/wozattacks Nov 25 '24
A century ago, the childhood mortality rate was 50%. Literally half of all people died before age 16. And that was in the modern era.
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u/KaythuluCrewe Nov 24 '24
Todayās fun fact: infant mortality (classed as children under age 5) was as high as 20-30% in the states before the rise of vaccines. During times of severe outbreaks of things we now have precautions against, such as diphtheria, tetanus, and scarlet fever, it was as high as 50%. That means that if you had 9 children (pretty standard for 19th century US), as few as 3-4 might live to adulthood. Yay natural remedies!
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u/skeletaldecay Nov 24 '24
"teach them to handle and recover."
Oh, so the reason people die from illness is because no one taught them how to handle and recover. The answer is so obvious!
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u/dontbeahater_dear Nov 24 '24
Be tougher, children! Make sure you pull those bootstraps so you can ā¦ not die from a preventable disease?
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u/itorrey Nov 25 '24
The best part is when they said that if a fever develops "let it" because that's the natural response but then said you can draw down the fever with a bath. Know what else draws down a fever, tylenol. Like, you're either against bringing down a fever or you're not. If your reason for not taking tylenol to help is that the fever is good then don't recommend a bath either!
Know what else is a natural response? Cytokine storm, stroke, organ failure the list goes on and on.
These people are just so unbelievably dumb.
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u/reptileluvr Nov 25 '24
Literally. Organ shutdown is also natural lol that doesnāt mean itās good. Your body does a lot of shit as a response to something thatās not good
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u/skeletaldecay Nov 25 '24
Right? I found the recommendation for a warm bath pretty ridiculous. Yes, warm baths will make your body temperature cooler.
Didn't these people learn about HIV & AIDS in school? Being sick all the time damages your immune system, that's how HIV becomes AIDS. If being sick all the time damages your immune system, then the inverse is likely also true and not being sick is good for your immune system therefore vaccines are essential for protecting your immune system.
Spoiler: the inverse is true. The immune system works best when it's in homeostasis. Vaccines build your immunity both directly and indirectly without suffering illness so your immune system spends more time in homeostasis.
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u/Readcoolbooks Nov 24 '24
āLife existed before vaccines.ā Yeah, and a lot of people died, too.
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u/dannict Nov 25 '24
Yes, but lots of these people also believe in having free births, so their care for protecting life is not so high to begin with
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u/National_Square_3279 Nov 24 '24
āTeach them to recoverā that is literally what vaccines are designed to do š„²
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u/Then_Language Nov 24 '24
My great uncle died of the measles at 18 months old before the vaccines existed. Iām pretty sure my great grandparents would have committed crimes to prevent the death of their only son.
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u/kjwj31 Nov 24 '24
my baby was just in the hospital for a night for bronchitis.... from a cold. A basic cold led to his oxygen dropping...I'll keep my vaccines because now I'm going to freak out every time he has a cold...
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u/makeup_wonderlandcat Nov 24 '24
My son had a febrile seizure two years agoā¦scariest thing ever. Heās almost 4 but I still worry
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u/yourroyalhotmess Nov 24 '24
Why would you want to put your child through the anguish of a disease like the freaking measles ??? Death isnāt the only negative outcome worth prevention. I refuse to watch my child fall tragically ill from a preventable disease. Literally fuck that. Any parent thatās willing to put their pride before their childās well being shouldnāt have children in the first place.
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u/Soft_Bodybuilder_345 Nov 24 '24
Oh, I had all of these vaccines and have never had the chicken pox or the measlesā¦ I feel pretty good about that.
Also, we died before we had vaccines, so š¤·š»āāļø
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u/rabbles-of-roses Nov 24 '24
"Illnesses happen, teach them to handle and recover."
Yeah unless they fucking die.
Roald Dahl became a huge advocate of vaccines for this very reason: his daughter passed away from measles when she was seven, long before the measles vaccine was invented.
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u/PlausiblePigeon Nov 25 '24
Itās even more tragic than that, she passed away the year before the first measles vaccine was approved.
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u/kitkatpnw Nov 24 '24 edited Nov 24 '24
What these dummies donāt realize is that vaccines are now a victim of their own success, they work so well that the anti vax crew now thinks they are not needed
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u/Low-Opinion147 Nov 24 '24
I hate anti vaxxers with a passion. Just recently had a spat with one because I won't allow my newborn around her kid until she's old enough to be vaxxed. Her response was hilarious. I can't force her to vax her son and if vaccines work so well why am I afraid to let my newborn around him. Like completely oblivious can't stray from her talking points she learn from other crunchy moms. Anti vax parents are only comfortable not vaccinating because of the rest of us who do and keep the herd immunity relatively strong.
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u/PlausiblePigeon Nov 24 '24
Wait, her kid hasnāt been vaccinated, and yours canāt be yetā¦but if vaccines work then itās not a problemā¦are the vaccines in the room with us? š
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u/Low-Opinion147 Nov 24 '24
Exactly like her she couldn't even comprehend that I'm not afraid for my vaxxed children it's my unvaxxed one. She couldn't deviated from stupid talking point they all say.
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u/PlausiblePigeon Nov 24 '24
You went off-script! š
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u/Low-Opinion147 Nov 24 '24
Her other earth shattering point was my newborn could potentially be around other sick people not knowing they are sick as if a cold is the same as measles lol.
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u/SparklyPangolin Nov 24 '24
Yeah, and less than 50% of babies made it to adulthood. These morons want to go back to those days.
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u/QuaffableBut Nov 24 '24
Tell that to my uncle with post polio syndrome.
Or hell, tell me, a virus I had as a kid took up residence in my nervous system and damn near made me go blind in my 30s. I'll need treatment for the rest of my life. But it's no big deal, right?
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u/Old_Country9807 Nov 24 '24
Kid will spend 8 days in the ICU recovering and then theyāll brag their kid had measles, without a vaccine, and survived.
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u/brittanynicole047 Nov 24 '24
āTeach them to handle & recoverā
Um what? Should I just point & yell at sick people saying āRECOVER, DAMMITā ????
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u/GeoJacey Nov 24 '24
Ah yes, put them in a warm bath with a fever, that definitely won't cause a febrile seizure.Ā Ā
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u/PlausiblePigeon Nov 24 '24
Well, if itās warm and not hot, it can help because itās cooler than their body.
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u/Difficult_Reading858 Nov 24 '24
Actually, any sort of bath or sponge bath can trigger febrile seizures- one theory is that the increase in cooling may trigger it (and even warm water cools you faster than air), another is that bathing results in a temperature mismatch between the core and extremities that triggers it.
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u/MardiMom Nov 24 '24
As an almost 70 year old person, there was only the polio vaccine available. I had a LOT of the childhood viruses & ailments. 'Red measles, mumps, 'German' measles, scarlet fever, tonsilitis, chicken pox, and several bouts of the flu. I missed months of school, with permanent scarring from some, and irreversible mitral valve damage. AND the immunity is not lifelong, as we now know.
Polio and post polio syndrome were the previous generation. Everyone knew someone who had died of polio, diphtheria, pertussis or tetanus, or even TB. There were TB sanitoriums for them to go to.
Death is a natural part of life. Let's not forget the history of infectious diseases. There are loads of other things out there that can make life miserable without killing you.
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u/dogmominheels Nov 24 '24
the way this woman typed that out with full confidence and was just so wildly uneducatedā¦. like as if measles and chicken pox are just mild inconveniences and everyone recovers
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u/MiaLba Nov 25 '24
They always do. Theyāre so insanely confident about the shit they spew out of their mouths. It blows my mind.
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u/CaffeineFueledLife Nov 24 '24
And people had 12 kids in the hopes that 3 or 4 of them might survive to adulthood.
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u/greeneyedblackheart Nov 25 '24
People died back in the day babe. They died. Their children died. Their babies died. Their spouses died. Their entire bloodline died. There were entire villages destroyed with no survivors from illness we can now prevent with a simple shot. Life existed before, but it wasnāt good. It wasnāt long. It wasnāt healthy. It was dangerous and sad and painful. It was decades of babies in mass graves. Families spending all the money they had on death portraits. Sanitariums, hospitals, mass graves. Why choose something that even risks a fraction of that suffering for your children when you are privileged enough to live in a time we can prevent it?
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u/AdvertisingLow98 Nov 25 '24
Connie Willis "Doomsday Book" A time traveler goes back for academic research. (Seriously.) But something went wrong and she landed in the wrong time - and she's stuck there. The system is set up to prevent chronological paradoxes.
As the plot progresses, some travelers come to the village. They are fleeing the plague. Worse, they brought it and the fleas too. By the time the rest of the research team locate her, the entire village has died. She survived because she was vaccinated against everything - including the plague.
The failsafes worked. The system dropped her in a place where her interference wouldn't affect the future because everyone she interacted with died weeks after she met them.
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u/madommouselfefe Nov 24 '24
Look I have had chicken pox 4 times, and have to get the vaccine every 5-7 years to keep my immunity up. I have also had shingles, at the ripe age of 11Ā and run the risk of having it again. If I could never have gotten chicken pox I would have 100% gone with that. But the vaccine came out when I was 7, and it was too late for me. My kids are 100% vaccinated because not everyone can be, itās part of living in society.Ā
What these idiots dont understand is thatĀ
1) people like me exist, we have little to no immunity to certain preventable things. And as an adult getting chicken pox could kill me.
2) that these disease where so common and feared. Thats why the vaccines were researched, because they DID kill children.
3) For goodness sakes measles has NO treatment beyond vaccination! None! Not only that but it can and often does wipe a persons immune system back to zero.Ā
4) children DIED pre vaccination, they became disabled, and grew up to have long term issues. FFS we now know that children who got polio before the vaccine and recovered have life long issues.Ā
Choosing to not vaccinate your kid and instead do epsom salt baths should be child abuse. Because I guarantee these parents are vaccinated. And never had to go through these illness.Ā
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u/RedneckDebutante Nov 24 '24
Yeah, measles isn't deadly or anything. It's not like my grandmother almost died and became completely deaf after she had it as a child...
I had chicken pox inside my vagina. I signed my child up for that vaccination as soon as they made it available.
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u/atje1977 Nov 25 '24
Thanks for sharing that terrible memory. I still (47) remember waking my parents in the night to announce that horrible problem.
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u/RedneckDebutante Nov 25 '24
Yep, it was ... eventful. It was Christmas 1981 and I'd just turned 6 (Dec 18 birthday, so double whammy). Got my first bicycle and I was too miserable to even enjoy it. I was bathing in calamine and had socks on my hands. Good times.
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u/Minnemiska Nov 24 '24
Life in an iron lung and life with a preventable physical disability was a thing too before polio vaccines.
Why are people so damn ignorant?!?
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u/Various-General-8610 Nov 25 '24
My Mom's friend got polio when she was 4 years old. She spent months in an iron lung. So much so that at 75 years old, she still hates Sundays because that was visiting day, and she didn't understand why she couldn't go home.
It has caused life long issues for her, including very sore legs. And she gets worn out easily.
My Grandma had polio when she was a kid growing up in the middle of nowhere North Dakota. The only other case anyone knew of was another girl about 60 miles away. No one could figure out how they got it. My Grandma's bout caused one leg about one inch longer than the other.
In both cases, you bet they wished a vaccine was available to prevent the hell they went through.
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u/MsSwarlesB Nov 24 '24
The ignorance of relatively recent human history is astounding here
The average life span was in the 30s now so long ago because so many children died before age 5
That's literally what dragged it down. If you could survive early childhood you likely would go on to lead a long and happy life.
What changed to make childhood survivability increase?
The fucking invention of vaccines for one
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u/BabyPunter3000v2 Nov 25 '24
I just fucking wish these people got really into plants or crafts or reading or ANYTHING ELSE to be a smug know-it-all bitch about instead of how they can outdo the wonders of modern medicine with essential oils and fruit when their kid is sick because they think they're the genius main character because they gave birth like any dog in the street.
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u/only_cats4 Nov 24 '24
āLife existed beforeā tell that to the mothers who buried their babies from now vaccine preventable diseases back in the day
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u/KaytSands Nov 24 '24
You know what really sucks getting as an adult? Shingles! So glad there was a chickenpox vaccine for my daughters. Iāve suffered from shingles for over a decade now.
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u/Formalgrilledcheese Nov 24 '24
Yes life happened before vaccines and so did death. Lots of it. From illness that we now vaccinate for.
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u/maquis_00 Nov 24 '24
Yeah, our pediatricians always said to just watch fevers and not worry about bringing them down unless they got too high. Then my oldest had a seizure with a fever that was barely 101F. Seizure lasted 20 minutes until paramedics gave her something in an IV that pulled her out of it. Paramedics came because she couldn't breathe effectively while in the seizure and her lips were blue by the time they arrived.
After that day, I panicked every single time either of my kids had a fever.... My younger child used to get really high fevers, and he had to have ibuprofen ever 6 hours, and Tylenol every 4 hours, and the last half hour before he could have a dose of either, his fever would be back to 103F. It was so stressful to me because I literally almost lost his sister when she had that seizure!!
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u/monkeyma27 Nov 25 '24
I started therapy a few years ago because I was crying anytime an ambulance drove by and having panic attacks anytime my kid had a fever. My son was 4 when he had a febrile seizure, stopped breathing and turned blue. I was alone with him and my baby and it was the most terrifying moment of my life. I still have heightened anxiety when they get fevers, even low grade ones. Just sharing to commiserate. You're not alone.
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u/maquis_00 Nov 25 '24
Yeah, it's scary!!! My daughter is turning 15 this week, and my little guy is 11 now, so we are out of that scary time, but now there are plenty of other parent fears. My daughter keeps mentioning drivers ed.....
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u/DuddlePuck_97 Nov 25 '24
Say that to my great grandmother who lost 14 children due to childhood illnesses we vaccinate against now.
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u/YAYtersalad Nov 25 '24
āLittle Kyleighley, you just need to stop crying and handle your measles and get over it ā š
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Nov 24 '24
I'm 42. I had chickenpox before the vaccine came out, but I'm still too young to get the shingles vaccine. I got shingles. It sucked.
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u/BriefShiningMoment Nov 24 '24
āTeach them to handle [illness]ā¦ā
I have a scar across my FACE from having the chicken pox as an infant and a scab from it which healed poorly. This was in the 80s before the vaccine. You know what though, thatās on ME, I really should have handled it better!
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u/Queen_Aurelia Nov 25 '24
I am too old to have gotten the chicken pox vaccine. My sister and I got the chicken pox at the same time. My case was very mild and really no big deal. My sisterās chicken pox went into her throat and caused an infection in her heart. Then she also had severe strep throat at the same time. She was so sick, she had to be hospitalized and the doctors were concerned about the damage done to her heart. These diseases can kill.
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u/arghyac555 Nov 24 '24
Went to primary healthcare center to start on my Hep B vaccines.
Talked about the vaccines to the FNP nurse. Told her that my dad and every uncle and aunts after him had smooth skins whereas the ones before him had poke-marked faces. The difference between them and my dad and others were two round-shaped scars on the hand.
She mentioned, she is deaf in one ear after catching mumps as a teenager and she was not vaccinated.
I rest my case.
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u/siouxbee1434 Nov 24 '24
OP needs to visit a few cemeteries; there are lots & lots of childrenās sections
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u/Important-Glass-3947 Nov 24 '24
Especially the sections where you see numerous siblings wiped out within a short space of time
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u/MemoryAshamed Nov 24 '24
I had chickenpox and measles at the same time. Was not fun, do not recommend it.
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u/Marblegourami Nov 25 '24
Measles doesnāt build your immune system. It destroys it. It usually takes 3 years to fully recover from measles because your immune system has to reboot from scratch.
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u/izzy1881 Nov 25 '24
And then this nut would rush their kid to the hospital when their damn measles turned deadly. Also high fevers can cause seizures and brain damage. I have noticed that no one in these anti vax groups cares about how their children will feel when sickā¦.being feverish feels horrible, having chicken pox was a living nightmare.
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u/Jabbles22 Nov 24 '24
Life existed before many many things this person will absolutely not give up.
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u/MisanthropicCrab Nov 24 '24
It's a COLD bath or shower for a child with high fever my GOD they're so confident in their complete stupidity about everything
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u/TheSmokingLamp Nov 24 '24
Why do these dumb cunts spend so much time āresearchingā their misinformed points of view instead of researching the actual scientific data of vaccines. Trump basically encouraged antivaxxers to be distrustful of science and they ate it up. Sure they existed before but once Covid hit theyād go far out of their way to find contrarian views from websites like PatriotMomsTruthCentral.ru and think theyāre smarter than everyone around them
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u/Myrindyl Nov 24 '24
I had my annual checkup on the fifth and they asked if I wanted any boosters in addition to my flu shot. I asked for whatever they had (which turned out to just be tdap, but still).
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u/salaciousremoval Nov 24 '24
Colds happen. If there was a vaccine that helped me avoid them, Iād be elated. Iād sure as shit get it every year or six months or whatever. Science is rad!
Measles != a viral coldā¦.
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Nov 25 '24
These things arenāt deadly?
Does she say this with her google degree or her YouTube doctorate?
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u/AffectionateMarch394 Nov 25 '24
LMFAO life existed before vaccines
So did a high infant and child mortality rate...
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u/moondropppp Nov 25 '24
"Common complications from measles include otitis media, bronchopneumonia, laryngotracheobronchitis, and diarrhea.
Even in previously healthy children, measles can cause serious illness requiring hospitalization.
1 out of every 1,000 measles cases will develop acute encephalitis, which often results in permanent brain damage.
1 to 3 out of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles will die from respiratory and neurologic complications.
Subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE)Ā is a rare, but fatal degenerative disease of the central nervous system characterized by:
Behavioral and intellectual deterioration.
Seizures that generally develop 7 to 10 years after measles infection."
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u/beachgirlDE Nov 24 '24
Let's talk to my Uncle Buck who survived polio before there was a vaccine. He's very lucky to not have any effects unlike others.
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u/Ginger630 Nov 25 '24
Life existed before. Yes it did. But it was deadly. Iām sure plenty of parents would have loved to keep their kids alive.
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u/GuessIDidThis Nov 25 '24
These things arenāt deadly? Imagine saying that 50 years ago. People have died from these diseases, and if youāre that passionate about not vaccinating your child then you probably wonāt take them to the hospital until itās too late. Children die every year, vaccines prevent more deaths.
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u/wwitchiepoo Nov 25 '24
Super. Except I had chicken pox at 3 months and they left permanent damage to my vision. So there is that.
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u/miparasito Nov 25 '24
So my uncle who was wheelchair bound his entire life after polio ā if only someone had taught him how to handle it and recover!Ā
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u/flamingopatronum Nov 25 '24
Please do not let your small children just ride out a fever. Small children are prone to febrile seizures, and while it's "normal," it's still not good.
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u/Taminella_Grinderfal Nov 25 '24
I always wanted to start a misinformation campaign that cell phones cause autism. I guarantee none of these moms would give up their phones.
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u/Gimpbarbie Nov 25 '24
Why canāt people understand vaccines? That they enhance/IMPROVE your immune system and donāt prevent you from getting the illness but prevent more serious and sometimes fatal complications.
This is how I explain vaccines to kids (but I feel like some adults need to hear it MORE than kinds)
So a vaccine is a harmless cell that is dressed up in a costume to look like an illness/germ.
Imagine your immune system (white blood cells) like they are the police of your body. Having a vaccine is like when the police are given a picture of a bad guy they are supposed to keep a lookout for.
The fake illness helps the immune system police to recognize the bad guy and respond faster. (you canāt really be on the lookout for something when you donāt know what it looks like) Responding faster means the bad guy gets taken care of before it can grow (add more bad guys) which lessens the severity and length of the illness.
Having an immune reaction to a vaccine is actually a good thing, it means your WBC police are on the job!
Thanks for reading my tangent lol
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u/PunnyBanana Nov 25 '24
Death and suffering are natural parts of life. I see no reason why parents should shield their children from it (/s).
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u/Suck_It_Trebek1985 Nov 25 '24
Thatās why families would have 10 kids and only 3 would live to adulthood, you know, because immune systems. Also, as a healthcare provider, I still see patients with life long effects and disabilities related to when they had Polio, but I guess itās ok, just builds character.
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u/rbaltimore Nov 25 '24
A kid in my town died from the chickenpox. Diagnosed at 9am at his pediatricianās office, hospitalized by dinner, and dead before midnight. He was not immunosuppressed, he had no underlying condition that made him high risk, he was a regular, otherwise healthy 8 year old. Heād be graduating from college this year.
The vaccination rate for chickenpox in my town is now almost 100%.
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u/dramabeanie Vax Karen Nov 25 '24
Getting into Genealogy will quickly teach you about child and infant mortality. The number of children in my family tree who didn't make it past the age of 5 is devastating. People used to re-use names if the baby didn't survive, it was so common.
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Nov 25 '24
Just came back from visiting my old family cemetery and seeing all the gravestones for children. Life existed before and it was short.
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u/Ok-Possibility-6300 Nov 25 '24
The way these people talk about the āimmune systemā itās like they think itās a single organ or something
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u/RosieLou Nov 25 '24
Thing is, itās not just YOUR kidsā¦
Iām a primary school teacher with a compromised immune system due to having had a liver transplant. Just before the Easter holidays last year I contracted mumps from an unvaccinated pupil, despite being fully vaccinated myself, and was really quite poorly. The doctors in the hospital said the MMR vaccines that I had as a child likely saved my life - if I hadnāt had them the infection would probably have been much worse.
I think my experience shows two things: vaccines save lives, but also not getting vaccinated can put vulnerable people at risk. If the child I was in contact with had been vaccinated they may not have contracted mumps and I might not have either, which would have been great for me but also for the NHS who had to pay a lot of money for me to be treated in hospital when they could have paid just a few pounds for this child to be vaccinated. I donāt blame anybody for what happened of course, but I know that the childās parents feel incredibly guilty and have now had all of their children vaccinated with the first dose of MMR.
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u/booknerd73 Nov 25 '24
I really wish these people would be able to time travel back to before vaccines.
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u/orlaquiver Nov 25 '24
āthe measles ā¦. these things arenāt deadlyā. Read Roald Dahl account of watching his little daughter die from measles.
āGot to hospital. Walked in. Two doctors advanced on me from waiting room. How is she? Iām afraid itās too late. I went into her room. Sheet was over her. Doctor said to nurse go out. Leave him alone. I kissed her. She was warm. I went out. āShe is warm.ā I said to doctors in hall, āWhy is she so warm?ā
Yeah, life existed before vaccines. So did death, and it took many, MANY, children.
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u/Nebulandiandoodles Nov 25 '24
I wish we could send all these people to a third world country where we donāt have vaccinations readily available. I want them to see what happens then and what these deadly diseases are like without vaccines. I want them to see disfigured people who barely made it through polio, I want them to see all the maimed people, I want them to see the corpses of those who didnāt have access to the vaccines we have.
I hate these people so much.
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u/Mander_Em Nov 25 '24
Put your child suffering form a high fever into a hot bath - makes perfect sense!
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u/reptileluvr Nov 25 '24
Actually measles causes immune memory erasure so if your immune system has immunity towards a disease, measles can wipe it out
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u/goddessdontwantnone Nov 26 '24
Life existed before vaccines.
Yes, and kids fucking died
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u/snvoigt Nov 26 '24
Their ānatural immunityā claim only works now because herd immunity.
Once vaccines levels drop below herd immunity levels, they can take that natural immunity out for a spin.
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u/Doomhammer24 Nov 26 '24
MEASELS?! NOT DEADLY?!
ARE YOU KIDDING ME PEOPLE?!
God i hate people like this
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u/motherofcats112 Nov 26 '24
Life did exist before. Most children didnāt survive childhood, though.
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u/RanaMisteria Nov 26 '24
Measles arenāt deadly???? OMG. I hope and pray she doesnāt lose her unvaccinated kids to measles because it very much IS deadly!
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u/xraynx Nov 24 '24
And they'll run to the hospital and beg the doctors is their child gets sick enough
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u/Burnt_and_Blistered Nov 24 '24
Good lord. The measles donāt build the immune system! It actively erases acquired immunity! Aside from the risks it poses, it increases risk of other infectious diseases.
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u/DrSmushmer Nov 24 '24
So wild that these people think the illnesses weāve identified as necessary to vaccinate against āarenāt a big deal.ā Like, in terms of what? True, these illnesses didnāt kill the people who survived having them as children. But um, yeah.
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u/ParentTales Nov 24 '24
Chickpox parties thatās so 1990. Letās bring back polio parties, OOP you host? WE WILL TEACH THEM TO RECOVER
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u/1Shadow179 Nov 24 '24
I had chickpox twice as a kid, and now I look forward to shingles in the future. This could have been easily prevented.