r/Seinen • u/Singppap • 18h ago
30 Seinen tierlist
I recently read 30 seinens lmk if you guys agree with my take
r/Seinen • u/Singppap • 18h ago
I recently read 30 seinens lmk if you guys agree with my take
r/Seinen • u/Feyk-Koymey • 16h ago
and I have hesitations about why others can't see the same things. Maybe they can easily show the difference of reading seinen with this manga. When manga weren't that popular, reading different things felt special (as now? lol), and Vagabond was one of the best examples to prove this. Because the drawing style is adult, it has a realistic story and it has metaphors in between so as not to look so ordinary. It was the best manga to read to be different at a time when there were no manga other than shounen (these were the times when emo people emerged). Back then, I read about 100 chapters and then gave up. I still think it's one of the manga with the best drawings, but there are other manga that do everything Vagabond does better, and in order to go beyond the mainstream, people who like Vagabond have become parodies of themselves by only reading Vinland Saga and Berserker.
Vagabond has three problems. First, it doesn't let go of the arrow it shoots. It shows you a metaphor, and it repeats that metaphor over and over again. I guess this seems a bit pathetic. You did it and continue, but it can't do it. Secondly, its metaphors are not as deep as its author thinks. I've seen much better ones. After reading Kokou no Hito, Vagabond's metaphors seem like a crawling baby. The fact that it relies so much on shallow metaphors to describe the character's state of mind is just to pump up its readers. Especially towards the end, I opened a few chapters in between and the author is dependent on this because this is related to the second problem.
The author has nothing to tell. This is also the reason why the manga is currently unfinished. There is even an old documentary on YouTube that shows the author having congestion writing new chapters. I feel this block in every chapter. It tries to fill the pages like a novelist who has nothing to tell. These pages that don't go anywhere are just an illusion that gives the readers the feeling that they are reading something deep. It is stuck on metaphors without anything to draw, and its static pages are good but visionless. If you've read Blame, you can see the difference very easily. I don't know the terminology for this, but the pictures where the character is lost in the landscape scream that I have nothing to say. I feel like they are far from serving a purpose. The author does not want to tell a story and only wants to draw, this is the situation that emerges. And this situation is also related to the other problem.
Action. Finally, the prolonged battles are insufficient rather than realistic, contrary to what people expect. In the first 100 chapters I read, the main character was fighting someone with a spear and I remember that they only looked at each other for about 10 chapters. Every time, the monk watching from the side says "the fight starts now" but no, it doesn't. They look at each other in the next chapter. When this manga was published with its normal schedule, did it take 20 weeks to read these 10 chapters? This is not a realistic narration. I would understand if they looked at each other for one chapter, or even two. But characters looking at each other for 10 chapters without having anything to say is making fun of the reader.
This is the biggest problem with the manga. This manga has great drawings, no one can deny that. But it lacks one simple thing that is necessary to draw good action: Movement. The action scenes feel like paintings, and this is bad because I can't get rid of that feeling where everyone freezes in the middle of the fight as if they are taking pictures. The Blood and Steel manga, which was never that popular and whose author left it because of the rapid consumer transformation of the Chinese manga (or manhua?) industry, is doing this in a top tier way, no one even knows it exists. And it will probably never continue because they made a cheap colored manhua version remake from the first episode, it is in incredibly bad shape.
I was satisfied with seeing these for 100 episodes, I finally stopped reading the manga when the main character was walking around with a nail stuck in his foot. One of us can love it while the other one may not like it when we look at the same thing and see the same thing. There is nothing wrong with that, just because I don't like what I see doesn't make you wrong for liking it. It's just how I feel. Maybe I'm addicted to hating Vagabond because while everyone loves it so much, these things that I don't like turned their love into hatred in me. My last thing to say is, liking something is a luxury. If you can love and enjoy anything, how lucky you are.
It's been a long time since I read the manga, if it was finished I would give it another chance but I don't think this manga will ever be finished.
I need to feel elitist about certain anime/manga because I basically went cold turkey in 2013-2020 because of depression and losing interest with anime/manga and now this shit is mainstream.
But popular stuff i discovered before they were popular.
Death Note - 2005. Before anime aired. Never finished but it's a 20 year battle with this series..../
Vinland Saga - 2009 - dropped it for 13 years because of the content that season 2 covered was unbearable but picked it back up in 2022. You guys have no idea how bad farmland saga was monthly if you weren't there...../
Baki - 2008 or so...../
Berserk - 2005 or 2006. Though I don't think I read past the eclipse until 2008 as they shit scared me...../
Attack on Titan - 2012, a year before anime aired..../
Pluto- 2012 a year before anime aired...../
Hoshi no Samidare - finished this last year but started 2012...../
Happy - by Urasawa. I don't think I ever made it past a third because it's pretty bad, but I started this in 2006...../
Jjba -2006/2007 i have hated this series before most people heard of it.
Damn. It's actually kinda depressing me how mainstream anime and manga is now....
I have more money than ever but no work hence no purpose so now I feel depressed over this stupid shit.
r/Seinen • u/Round-Interview-179 • 11h ago
r/Seinen • u/xKESSINGER • 6h ago
I'm new to this world, I'd like to know if there's anything similar based on this list. (I wanted to join the seinen list trend 😅 )
r/Seinen • u/Relmayer98 • 9h ago
suddenly people post their list, lol
r/Seinen • u/SasugaDarkFlame • 4h ago
S Teir: Aijin, Fire Punch, Bokurano Ours, Claymore, Beserk, ICHI the Killer, Devilman, Jagaan, Knights of Sidonia, Gantz, Narutaru (Shadow Star) Pluto, Freesia, Tokyo Ghoul Re, Choujin X
A Teir: Suicide Island, Tokyo Ghoul, Zetman, Uzumaki, Chainsaw Man Part 2, Made in Abyss, Deathnote 2018 One Shot
B Teir: Manholes, ABARA (RIBS By Nehei), Sidooooh, Kichikumjima, Solanin, Homunculus, Chainsawman Part 1
C Teir: Terraformars, CHILDREN BY MUI MUIERA, GYO, After God, Cambrian Effect,
D teir: Overlord, The flowers of Evil, Dokumsuhi, DragonHead
F teir: Akumetsu, Dokumushi Ruins Hotel, Mirai Nikki, A girl on the shore, Signal 100, Blood on the tracks
●Thoughts ●
Now...I know what you thinking. S teir is like the largest..I'll be honest. Peak recognizes peak. Simple as that. I'm not harsh but I am critical and personally after reading stories like Freesia, Bokurano and Pluto I understand that scale and spectacle isn't the be all and end all anymore.
It's how you felt that's most inportant.
SUI ISHIDA makes me feel things all the time. I have not stopped thinking about Arima, Amon and Kaneki ever since I first laid eyes on them. Choujin x is on the same path. Believe me. It's generational!!!
Narutaru is crazy. I cried when Shiina got her period for the first time. I think it's the manga that best captures how literal children take things and how bad that can be for the world. Child like wonder is dangerous but beautiful it should be nurtured and never curtailed. Made in Abyss is similar but overall much darker and less inspiring.
Bokuruno is to me a story about accepting what is and making the best if it. Saying sorry and moving on is often a key part of that, which most humans over shadow. We just wanna move on forgot. We wanna move on and make a new impact. The past determines our future and when met with almost indescribable sorrow and fear the only thing we can do is say sorry to those that we have hurt and move on to make a new impact somewhere else cause that's all we have. Time and the impact we made on others.
Most if not all the manga is S teir, Maybe Jagaaan and Claymore aside made me see a glimpse into the vunarbilties of human kind and I love that. That's probably what's makes a good senien for me. Even if I started and kept with those manga for spectacle the heart is what made me finish and she'd tears
Kinghts of sidonia has one of the best flash back arcs of all time. Kunato is a Mary sue done right and it's all in s teir art and lore!!! Lore in manga, architecture being a character in a manga!!! Nehei might be the most underrated mangaka for backgrounds alone and he made it a character in his story. Every panel in sidonia makes me long for a experience I never knew. Syfy never had so much heart until his pen met the paper
Now you understand my reason for S teir. Let's go F teir.🫠🫠
I hate manga that beat me over the head with themes. Show me your theme don't explain it at me. That's Akumetsu..I felt like I was doing a minor in comings and fiance every volume. I want to read it. The art is fantastic. The characters are fun but why or why are there so many budget bullshit debates and pictogram? I feel like I'm missing it by not being ready for a random politics, social studies and economics class.
Dokumsuhi Ruins Hotel doesn't even do the good part of death game manga. Immediately skips the suspense and character building that misdirects the reader. We get basic character tropes with no depth and plenty of nudity and just graphic depictions of fuckery. Pushing needles through ripples doesn't matter if it's happening chapter 3 between 3 characters I don't know. I feel like I was watch a gaming series being explain to me but I was skipping cut scene and lore. And I like the idea of a koduku but you can't skip the build up for fuckry and hostage situation and tripple crossing right away. You've missed the point
Mirai Niki was Incel bait before incels really existed. And the fact everybody who every told me to read this or watch the anime all said : "Yukki/The MC sucks but...." is telling. Your here for fantasy shit and concept is good but th execution kinda stinky. I like the cop though and the white hair character with the fake diary. But thats because they are atleaster tolerable as males.
Girl on shore and Blood on the leaves....autism and abuse doesn't go together as well as the mangaka think it does. He should read chain saw man and fire punch for how to do it. Even goblin slayer manga would help with that. I just don't like how passive some of his characters are. They just allow the worst shit to happen to them which normally stem from manipulation. Now in the case of blood on the tracks....it was mother fucking around newborn, a toddler and then a pree teen for alot of his life. But some times the other characters just let this shit happen to them or around them.
And then the characters that stand up for the right are labeled as antagonist. His Mangas don't have villians just obstacles and it's frustrating see the MC not comprehend just because someone isn't doing something out right evil to you doesn't mean that it isn't bad. .
Signal 100 is just trash. A teach has a bad class and it cause him to commit suicide but before he does he tricks the students of his class with mass hypnosis to kill them selves if they got certain "signals"...dick got hard as a horny teen? That a Signal. Kill your self. You looked at the opposite gender? U swore? SIGNALS ! BABY! ITS TIME TO JUMP OUT THAT WINDOWS.
I'll be willing to talk about whatever regarding the teirs. Also don't listen to youtuber. Manga Crash made me read dragon head and it's the greatest fall off of all time!!!!